The death of the PUBLIC OPTION

[Navy1960]

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--U.S. House leaders signaled Tuesday they are willing to agree to a final health overhaul bill without a government-run health insurance option if other parts of the bill would fulfill the same goals.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said after meeting with senior House Democrats that the bill must meet the test of "holding insurance companies accountable," whether or not it includes a public option.

"There are other ways to do that, and I look forward to discussing those other ways. ... We will have what we need to hold the insurance companies accountable," Pelosi said.

Pelosi huddled with House committee chairmen as talks between the House and Senate on reconciling competing versions of the health care overhaul bill got underway Tuesday. House leaders are to meet with Senate leaders via teleconference at the White House on Tuesday evening. They are aiming to strike a deal by early February.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D., Md.), one of Pelosi's top lieutenants, said House leaders will expect concessions from Senate Democrats, including possibly a repeal of the antitrust exemption for insurance companies, if the public option is absent.

US House Leaders Back Off Public Health Insurance Option - WSJ.com

It does seem the effort to get the political win is in full swing now, I wonder if all those in the house that spent days telling the nation that the "public option" among them the Speaker was the only way to keep the insurance companies honest and promoting competition, will defend a bill without it now that they are seeking a legislative win more than actual healthcare reform.


*side note; sorry for putting this here Moderator, but, it's a new story so , if you want you can move to healthcare

 

[Cal]

The Public Option was never 'In' to begin with..Obama & CO never wanted it..Such a shame.

 

[keee keee]

public option dead my ass it will just be renamed!!!!

 

[LuckyDan]

Of course BO and the dems want a public option. They just know the public doesn't.

And I thought the plaintiff's bar is what keeps insurers accountable. What purpose do they serve again?

 

[Xenophon]

U.S. House leaders signaled Tuesday they are willing to agree to a final health overhaul bill without a government-run health insurance option if other parts of the bill would fulfill the same goals.

That isn't 'dead' its doubletalk.

 

[keee keee]

the sad thing is they are forcing us into this system which the majority of American are not in favor of, and they are excluding themselves and families from this doomed program which is going to be a total failure!!! Name another program the government runs which is a sucess? If they had any balls they would be the first to sign up in this healthcare system and show us that they beleive in it and are willing to use it. show us that you trust it with your families and self using it!!!

 

[Xenophon]

the sad thing is they are forcing us into this system which the majority of American are not in favor of, and they are excluding themselves and families from this doomed program which is going to be a total failure!!! Name another program the government runs which is a sucess? If they had any balls they would be the first to sign up in this healthcare system and show us that they beleive in it and are willing to use it. show us that you trust it with your families and self using it!!!

Its for your own good, after all, they know better.

 

[Sinatra]

Far from dead.

Simple political cover.

It's the foot in the door, with more to follow.

Make sure to vote to make 2010 the correction election folks...

 

[Truthmatters]

Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News

 

[Truthmatters]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/090617_NBC-WSJ_poll_Full.pdf

 

[rayboyusmc]

Of course BO and the dems want a public option. They just know the public doesn't.

Total bullshit. The majority of Americans want reform. The problem is that the right has lied so much about a public option, no one knows what that means anymore. Death panels from brain dead RNC and more such shit. Kill your grammy and other right wing lies.

The left has sold out to to old right wing bullshit that the private market can always do it better for less even though that has been proved wrong again and again.

This is a sell out by the ruling lefties to corporations and the ultra rich one more time.

There will be time in the near future where health care in the US becomes so expensive and out of reach of most, that even the brain dead middle class on the right will push for some form of public option.

 

[LuckyDan]

Of course BO and the dems want a public option. They just know the public doesn't.

Total bullshit. The majority of Americans want reform. The problem is that the right has lied so much about a public option, no one knows what that means anymore. Death panels from brain dead RNC and more such shit. Kill your grammy and other right wing lies.

The left has sold out to to old right wing bullshit that the private market can always do it better for less even though that has been proved wrong again and again.

This is a sell out by the ruling lefties to corporations and the ultra rich one more time.

There will be time in the near future where health care in the US becomes so expensive and out of reach of most, that even the brain dead middle class on the right will push for some form of public option.

Everyone knows what public option means, and not very many people want it. Reform can take place without a public option.

The left sold out to the right and the free market? Wouldn't that be nice.

There will more likely be a time in the very near future when healthcare options are so limited and treatment so strictly rationed that people will push for a return to the free market option.

 

[Navy1960]

First the title of the thread lead many to believe that the thread topic was somehow advocating that the "public option" was dead as in no Govt. plan for healthcare and in the current form of the bill and with it's intention to shift millions of Americans to the state Medicaid rolls we can all see that a Govt. run healthcare plan is NOT dead in this bill. However, what is dead at the moment, in order to make blue-dogs happy is the appearence of any Govt. run plan so that they can go back to those they represent and not look as if they supported one. What the death implies is the death of the proposed NEW Govt. public option that would have been created using the money taken from Medicare in order to start it. Instead they are still going to take the money from Medicare but not create the NEW public option. What will happen in my opinion is that once the large volume of Americans that are forced into state Medicaid begin to realize that they are in a sub-standard program that in a lot of cases is not accepted by treating Doctors, there will be massive calls for reforming Medicaid. Still another thing that could happen is the individual mandate if struck down by the Supreme Court after the states have enrolled millions into state Medicaid, you will have a fiscal disaster of epic proportions and crys for the creation of a NEW public option to offset this. All that said, the death is pointing to the much touted and much supported new Govt. public option meant to compete with private insurance. What really is interesting in this whole bill is that after turning the insurance companies into villians for almost a year the same people have crafted a bill that will be an absolute business boom for them.

 

[rdean]

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution - washingtonpost.com

Article 31:

First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The state takes care of public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and medical institutions.

Second: Individuals and institutions may build hospitals or clinics or places for treatment with the supervision of the state and this shall be regulated by law.

Article 32:

The State cares for the handicapped and those with special needs and ensure their rehabilitation in order to reintegrate them into society. This shall be regulated by law.


Not only does the Republican supported Iraqi constitution make Islam the "NATIONAL RELIGION" and says all legislation is based on Islam, THEY HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Republicans, dumb as a bag of rock and doing work for al Qaeda helped the Iraqis put a PUBLIC OPTION into their new constitution. Motherf........ers.

 

[Big Black Dog]

The death of the PUBLIC OPTION

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WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--U.S. House leaders signaled Tuesday they are willing to agree to a final health overhaul bill without a government-run health insurance option if other parts of the bill would fulfill the same goals.

I've been reading and speaking English all of my life (but am still a little rusty at it sometimes) but doesn't this sound like the same old Congressional double speak? It does to me... I am drawn to the last part of the sentence that says "if other parts of the bill would fulfill the same goal." It doesn't sound like the Public Option is dead or gasping for air to me. If it was wouldn't the sentence read something like "Nancy Pelosi, and all the other House Democrats, have agreed that the public option idea was just a bunch of crap and it won't be included in any bills that we intend to sign." Is it just me, or does this seem more like the kind of sentence that would say the Public Option is dead?

 

[Chris]

The public option is not dead.

We still have the VA, Medicare, and the emergency room.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The Public Option was never 'In' to begin with..Obama & CO never wanted it..Such a shame.

No matter how many times he said he wanted it, both on the campaign trail and as President, we're supposed to believe he really didn't want it.

Right?

 

[Cal]

The Public Option was never 'In' to begin with..Obama & CO never wanted it..Such a shame.

No matter how many times he said he wanted it, both on the campaign trail and as President, we're supposed to believe he really didn't want it.

Right?

The Public Option never really was a core part of his campaign..Mostly mentioned in passing.

Rahm Emmanual was pushing HARD against any kind of Govt. Option or buy in becouse he is the Blue Dogs best Friends...I still believe thought, If Obama had really wanted a Public option, He would have spoke to congress and told them what he wanted..But instead he sat idol by and watched while they slowly gave away any hopes of a public option.

 

[Ringel05]

The death of the PUBLIC OPTION

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The Public Option was never 'In' to begin with..Obama & CO never wanted it..Such a shame.

No matter how many times he said he wanted it, both on the campaign trail and as President, we're supposed to believe he really didn't want it.

Right?

The Public Option never really was a core part of his campaign..Mostly mentioned in passing.

You must have slept through the campaign then.

In fact, Obama promised a public option with NO mandate. In just about every stump speech.