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[The Duke]

Only an idiot would not be up for a simple debate. what did I say you think is wrong? why don't you VOICE your opinion on the matter instead of calling me an idiot for a simple question for logical debate?

That makes you feeble minded and not open for discussion, simple at that

Simple question to ponder, not that difficult but instead of engaging I am telling you what to do and goodbye?

at no point did I tell you a ******* thing.....are you high or drunk?

Learn to read.........apparently you did not grasp this with your negativity

That's nice, honey. I bet ding kicks your ass.
Owait, he pretty much already did. Any more shit you wanna talk to me?
I'm not as nice as ding, I'll make your ass cry n shit, IDGAF.
I had premonitions when I was 11. And I did what the premonitions said, and everything turned out OK.
I been through about 15 lives right now, boy. This is the truth: But for The Grace of God go I.
Now you you can deny all that and choose to remain ignorant, but that's not in your best interest.
Cats ain't got nothin' on me.
When was the last time you got shot at?
When's the last time you knew you were blessed by God?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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What makes you think you, or anyone else for that matter, are human?

CHUCKLE

 

[egp320i]

That's nice, honey. I bet ding kicks your ass.
Owait, he pretty much already did. Any more shit you wanna talk to me?
I'm not as nice as ding, I'll make your ass cry n shit, IDGAF.
I had premonitions when I was 11. And I did what the premonitions said, and everything turned out OK.
I been through about 15 lives right now, boy. This is the truth: But for The Grace of God go I.
Now you you can deny all that and choose to remain ignorant, but that's not in your best interest.
Cats ain't got nothin' on me.
When was the last time you got shot at?
When's the last time you knew you were blessed by God?

I have no idea what you are talking about, I did not question your belief system so not sure why your getting
angry and trying to pick a fight, do you do this everybody? anger issues?

 

[egp320i]

My thoughts are I can't help you.

I don't need help with anything, again you are not making any sense and I am not asking for your help or any blessings

 

[egp320i]

Do you disagree that doing good is it's own reward and leads to peace, joy, happiness and prosperity in one's life?

no if it makes you happy and generally when you do something bad you go down the rabbit hole and end up prison and your life with not be of much quality

One of the worst punishments you can put on yourself is losing your freedom

 

[ding]

no if it makes you happy and generally when you do something bad you go down the rabbit hole and end up prison and your life with not be of much quality

One of the worst punishments you can put on yourself is losing your freedom

If you do something bad - regardless of the reason, even if it makes you happy - then you are not really doing good and what I said doesn't apply. The converse applies. Failed behaviors naturally lead to failure. Eventually.

Doing something bad - even if it makes you feel good - is a failed behavior.

 

[Cassandro]

OK, hear me out, all religions major and minor were created by a human.
The overall message is do good you go to a special place, do bad and you to to a horrible place, right?

What if we just cease to exist like a mouse killed by a cat?

No proof we have a soul that moves on, not way to prove it so it's just a theory and nothing more

we are an animal on earth like a bear, just more intelligent....maybe when we die we just die........poof, game over.........nothing

thoughts?

I think that fear of death comes from a primal instinct to survive, and that most religions have capitalized on that fear in order to spread their messages. Thus "good" means complying with their beliefs. The concept of an afterlife may be as much a control device over actions in this life as an ultimate reward for good behavior.

However, the development of human intelligence seems to be a singularity in the animal world. It is hardly conceivable that one species could fly a man to the moon while all other species never developed beyond basic instinct and mimicry. It also appears that our entire universe had some sort of beginning, which suggests the preexistence of a creative force. We may never fully understand it, but it is not unreasonable to assume some connection with own existence.

Perhaps we will continue after our physical deaths in some individualistic manner or simply return as raindrops, as has been previously suggested. Either way is OK with me.

 

[task0778]

There is no proof that there is an afterlife, but no proof that there isn't one either but that does not mean that either possibility is true. I will say that whatever you believe probably will not influence what happens after you die. Christianity tells us that God loves you but if you don't love him and worship him then you're going to hell and I think that is akin to blackmail. I don't think your belief system while you were alive matters at all, either there's no afterlife at all or there is but IMHO we all end up in the same place. Some people believe in one and done, while others believe in one at a time and you live many lives with the same soul spirit. But whatever you believe is irrelevant, it's gonna happen anyway, so in my view we should be living the life we're in now and do the best we can to make the most of it. One thing is certain, we're all gonna die and since we don't know what will come next then we shouldn't worry about it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

OK, hear me out, all religions major and minor were created by a human.
The overall message is do good you go to a special place, do bad and you to to a horrible place, right?

What if we just cease to exist like a mouse killed by a cat?

No proof we have a soul that moves on, not way to prove it so it's just a theory and nothing more

we are an animal on earth like a bear, just more intelligent....maybe when we die we just die........poof, game over.........nothing

thoughts?

You'll KNOW when you get there
Also, God will give you what you want --nonexistance after death. Hell also give me what I believe -- eternal life in His Kingdom

 

[egp320i]

There is no proof that there is an afterlife, but no proof that there isn't one either but that does not mean that either possibility is true. I will say that whatever you believe probably will not influence what happens after you die. Christianity tells us that God loves you but if you don't love him and worship him then you're going to hell and I think that is akin to blackmail. I don't think your belief system while you were alive matters at all, either there's no afterlife at all or there is but IMHO we all end up in the same place. Some people believe in one and done, while others believe in one at a time and you live many lives with the same soul spirit. But whatever you believe is irrelevant, it's gonna happen anyway, so in my view we should be living the life we're in now and do the best we can to make the most of it. One thing is certain, we're all gonna die and since we don't know what will come next then we shouldn't worry about it.

As the saying goes, anything is possible, guess we won't know where we end up until we do.

Still ever ponder if you are in heaven, you just eat food all day and that's it, won't that be freaking boring!

Who knows, maybe entertainers who died like elvis put on a show, anything is possible

course a better question, how big is heaven?, I mean many people have died, it must be packed, it's probably LA and NYC combined with so many people and then some

Hopefully they have good beer, you won't get sick, no stomach ache and not needing to take a dump and wipe your ass would be nice

 

[Meriweather]

Still ever ponder if you are in heaven, you just eat food all day and that's it, won't that be freaking boring!

Words of wisdom from the Baltimore Catechism: God made us to know him, love him, and serve him...

Not one word about God making us to just eat food all day.

 

[ding]

I think that fear of death comes from a primal instinct to survive, and that most religions have capitalized on that fear in order to spread their messages.

What kind of churches have you been going to?

 

[ding]

As the saying goes, anything is possible, guess we won't know where we end up until we do.

Still ever ponder if you are in heaven, you just eat food all day and that's it, won't that be freaking boring!

Who knows, maybe entertainers who died like elvis put on a show, anything is possible

course a better question, how big is heaven?, I mean many people have died, it must be packed, it's probably LA and NYC combined with so many people and then some

Hopefully they have good beer, you won't get sick, no stomach ache and not needing to take a dump and wipe your ass would be nice

You seem to have an obsession with heaven and hell. Wouldn't your time spent be better spent obsessing over the journey instead?

 

[task0778]

Maybe the reality is that there are 3 options instead of only 2 that could be true:

1. One and done. You're born, you live, and your die and that's it. No afterlife. No soul spirit either.

2. One and done, but this time you have a soul spirit that either goes to heaven or hell depending on your choices and actions while you were alive. This requires a God that judges you, and in some cases if you believe in God then your sins are forgiven.

3. Your soul spirit lives many lives, not just one, and there is no heaven or hell. You keep coming back until you have learned or experienced enough, at which time maybe you kinda join up with the cosmic Oneness that is God. That part is sorta fuzzy, nobody is talking about the end result or goal.

Me, I've never been crazy about the Heaven vs Hell thing, it feels like too much fear-mongering and outright intimidation. So that leaves #1 and #3, but when it comes right down to it I don't think it matters. It's gonna happen anyway, so maybe we should stop focusing on what comes next and instead look to what we're doing now while we are still alive.

 

[ding]

Maybe the reality is that there are 3 options instead of only 2 that could be true:

1. One and done. You're born, you live, and your die and that's it. No afterlife. No soul spirit either.

2. One and done, but this time you have a soul spirit that either goes to heaven or hell depending on your choices and actions while you were alive. This requires a God that judges you, and in some cases if you believe in God then your sins are forgiven.

3. Your soul spirit lives many lives, not just one, and there is no heaven or hell. You keep coming back until you have learned or experienced enough, at which time maybe you kinda join up with the cosmic Oneness that is God. That part is sorta fuzzy, nobody is talking about the end result or goal.

Me, I've never been crazy about the Heaven vs Hell thing, it feels like too much fear-mongering and outright intimidation. So that leaves #1 and #3, but when it comes right down to it I don't think it matters. It's gonna happen anyway, so maybe we should stop focusing on what comes next and instead look to what we're doing now while we are still alive.

Heaven and hell is an atheist and evangelical obsession. I've never heard it discussed in mass or catechism classes one time.

 

[task0778]

Heaven and hell is an atheist and evangelical obsession. I've never heard it discussed in mass or catechism classes one time.

I've never attended a mass or catechism class, so I wouldn't know. But H&H are an obsession because the Catholic Church made it that way, deliberately trying to use fear and intimidation to get followers. I am not sure if it still has the influence it once had in decades and centuries past, but I suspect in many foreign catholic countries it does.


Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices.

No shit, Sherlock. That is likely the biggest selling point for many religions, an afterlife that promises a reunion with loved ones and without the trials and tribulations that so many people faced while they were still alive.

 

[ding]

I've never attended a mass or catechism class, so I wouldn't know. But H&H are an obsession because the Catholic Church made it that way, deliberately trying to use fear and intimidation to get followers. I am not sure if it still has the influence it once had in decades and centuries past, but I suspect in many foreign catholic countries it does.


Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices.

No shit, Sherlock. That is likely the biggest selling point for many religions, an afterlife that promises a reunion with loved ones and without the trials and tribulations that so many people faced while they were still alive.

I disagree. It's convenient to blame the Catholic Church. It's evangelicals and atheists that beat that horse to death. Not sure which one of those you are. They both seem to have an ax to grind with the Church.

So glad you recognize the inherent unfairness of a material existence. That was a central them in most OT accounts even if people don't realize it. Your bias against religion is pretty obvious. So I doubt you can see it through your obsession with H&H.

 

[task0778]

I disagree. It's convenient to blame the Catholic Church. It's evangelicals and atheists that beat that horse to death. Not sure which one of those you are. They both seem to have an ax to grind with the Church.

So glad you recognize the inherent unfairness of a material existence. That was a central them in most OT accounts even if people don't realize it. Your bias against religion is pretty obvious. So I doubt you can see it through your obsession with H&H.

From it's beginning, the Catholic Church has endlessly preached the choice: worship God or go to Hell, and they made no bones about how awful that would be. It has been the CC that beat that horse to death from the getgo.

Don't know what an OT account is, but I do know what bias is. There is and has been all sorts of evidence over the past 2000 years or so that supports a disinclination to accept the teachings of the CC. A bias means an unfair and unjust opinion; I think the CC has more than earned my opinion of it. FYI, I am neither an atheist or an evangelical, but there's no need to characterize me as either, that does not advance your argument.

 

[Papageorgio]

Only an idiot would not be up for a simple debate. what did I say you think is wrong? why don't you VOICE your opinion on the matter instead of calling me an idiot for a simple question for logical debate?

That makes you feeble minded and not open for discussion, simple at that

Simple question to ponder, not that difficult but instead of engaging I am telling you what to do and goodbye?

at no point did I tell you a ******* thing.....are you high or drunk?

Learn to read.........apparently you did not grasp this with your negativity

What is the point of the debate? You say there is no life after death, that is your opinion and you left nothing to debate. You will never admit there is anything else and you aren’t going to change anyone’s mind that responds to you.

Debating just turns into name calling and moronic insults, just not into that anymore, you have a right to your opinion and everyone else has a right to there own opinion.

 

[ding]

From it's beginning, the Catholic Church has endlessly preached the choice: worship God or go to Hell, and they made no bones about how awful that would be. It has been the CC that beat that horse to death from the getgo.

Don't know what an OT account is, but I do know what bias is. There is and has been all sorts of evidence over the past 2000 years or so that supports a disinclination to accept the teachings of the CC. A bias means an unfair and unjust opinion; I think the CC has more than earned my opinion of it. FYI, I am neither an atheist or an evangelical, but there's no need to characterize me as either, that does not advance your argument.

You are making the same uninformed arguments they make, so there's that. The Bible, especially the New Testament (NT), (OT stands for Old Testament) teaches how to live life and how not to live life. That you equate that message to how to get into heaven and stay out of hell is your error. I know better. But yes, I think you are definitely biased not only against the Church but all of Christianity. I never said my belief that you are biased advances my argument. Your bias goes to your motivation. Which seems to be to subvert the Church and Christianity.