The best thing libertarians can do right now is support Republicans

[kaz]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

Hell. No. Trump is the polar opposite of libertarian.

Yea but libertarians will vote for trump don’t worry. Libertarians are just cons who’ve been let down by republicans too much to say they are republicans.

People who call themselves libertarians, yet vote Republican aren't libertarians - big L or otherwise, they're just Republicans who don't want to admit they're Republicans.

LO2E is fraud.

Voting for ANYONE other than Trump is playing Russian Roulette with our nation. Your personal values won't save you from a radical take over of our nation.

Biden is a moderate not a radical

He will return us to normalcy

Biden was a moderate 25 years ago. Now he's whatever his handlers are, and they are radical left

Nah that’s just what republicans say every 4 years. You said it about Clinton, he was a moderate. You said it about Obama, he was a moderate too. Hillary would have been a moderate too.

Trump could have been a moderate but the far right got him elected so he’s serving them not mainstream America.

You think Obama and Hillary are moderates? How far left do you lean? Can you even walk upright?

 

[francoHFW]

The Democratic Party is no longer the party of JFK, and it hasn’t been for a long time.

Now, they are the Party of Lee Harvey Oswald. Radical, unhinged, deranged, delusional, violent Marxists that hate our President for not bowing to Communists.

Absolute garbage propaganda and misinformed hate. 40 years of giveaway to the rich under the GOP has given us the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world. Everything you know is wrong. No one outside Rupert Murdoch world believes any of that crap.....

 

[BlueGin]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

Hell. No. Trump is the polar opposite of libertarian.

Yea but libertarians will vote for trump don’t worry. Libertarians are just cons who’ve been let down by republicans too much to say they are republicans.

People who call themselves libertarians, yet vote Republican aren't libertarians - big L or otherwise, they're just Republicans who don't want to admit they're Republicans.

LO2E is fraud.

Voting for ANYONE other than Trump is playing Russian Roulette with our nation. Your personal values won't save you from a radical take over of our nation.

Biden is a moderate not a radical

He will return us to normalcy

Biden has dementia...he isn’t going to be running anything.

Trumps got dementia too. He’s literally gone insane.

If that were true you idiots would have tried harder to present a decent candidate. You didn’t.

 

[BlueGin]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

Hell. No. Trump is the polar opposite of libertarian.

Yea but libertarians will vote for trump don’t worry. Libertarians are just cons who’ve been let down by republicans too much to say they are republicans.

People who call themselves libertarians, yet vote Republican aren't libertarians - big L or otherwise, they're just Republicans who don't want to admit they're Republicans.

LO2E is fraud.

Voting for ANYONE other than Trump is playing Russian Roulette with our nation. Your personal values won't save you from a radical take over of our nation.

Biden is a moderate not a radical

He will return us to normalcy

Biden was a moderate 25 years ago. Now he's whatever his handlers are, and they are radical left

Nah that’s just what republicans say every 4 years. You said it about Clinton, he was a moderate. You said it about Obama, he was a moderate too. Hillary would have been a moderate too.

Trump could have been a moderate but the far right got him elected so he’s serving them not mainstream America.

You think Obama and Hillary are moderates? How far left do you lean? Can you even walk upright?

That’s the progressives plan. Lean so far left that the fringe looks moderate

 

[francoHFW]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

Democrats are Marxists. They aren’t about “ small government”

Trump is a Marxist.

Incorrect.

Marxist believe in abolishing boarders,private property, religion, law enforcement.

All Democratic positions

The hell they are, brainwashed functional moron. Start with the Democrats immigration bill of 2010 that started out with an ID card that would end this mess the GOP loves so much. Like every other modern country. Canada is not Marxist. Socialist means fair capitalism and intelligence for Christ's sake....

 

[francoHFW]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

Hell. No. Trump is the polar opposite of libertarian.

Yea but libertarians will vote for trump don’t worry. Libertarians are just cons who’ve been let down by republicans too much to say they are republicans.

People who call themselves libertarians, yet vote Republican aren't libertarians - big L or otherwise, they're just Republicans who don't want to admit they're Republicans.

LO2E is fraud.

Voting for ANYONE other than Trump is playing Russian Roulette with our nation. Your personal values won't save you from a radical take over of our nation.

Biden is a moderate not a radical

He will return us to normalcy

Biden has dementia...he isn’t going to be running anything.

Trumps got dementia too. He’s literally gone insane.

If that were true you idiots would have tried harder to present a decent candidate. You didn’t.

Biden is fine, brainwashed functional moron. And maybe we could catch back up with the modern world again. Fair capitalism imagine....

 

[francoHFW]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

Hell. No. Trump is the polar opposite of libertarian.

Yea but libertarians will vote for trump don’t worry. Libertarians are just cons who’ve been let down by republicans too much to say they are republicans.

People who call themselves libertarians, yet vote Republican aren't libertarians - big L or otherwise, they're just Republicans who don't want to admit they're Republicans.

LO2E is fraud.

Voting for ANYONE other than Trump is playing Russian Roulette with our nation. Your personal values won't save you from a radical take over of our nation.

Biden is a moderate not a radical

He will return us to normalcy

Biden was a moderate 25 years ago. Now he's whatever his handlers are, and they are radical left

Nah that’s just what republicans say every 4 years. You said it about Clinton, he was a moderate. You said it about Obama, he was a moderate too. Hillary would have been a moderate too.

Trump could have been a moderate but the far right got him elected so he’s serving them not mainstream America.

You think Obama and Hillary are moderates? How far left do you lean? Can you even walk upright?

That’s the progressives plan. Lean so far left that the fringe looks moderate

And every other modern country already has the benefits that Sanders and AOC want. Wake up and smell the coffee. why are we the only modern country without a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and ID card to end it illegal immigrants? Look in the mirror and snap out of it.

 

[BlueGin]

The Democratic Party is no longer the party of JFK, and it hasn’t been for a long time.

Now, they are the Party of Lee Harvey Oswald. Radical, unhinged, deranged, delusional, violent Marxists that hate our President for not bowing to Communists.

Absolute garbage propaganda and misinformed hate. 40 years of giveaway to the rich under the GOP has given us the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world. Everything you know is wrong. No one outside Rupert Murdoch world believes any of that crap.....

Oh please. Pelosi loaded up and presented a 9.5 billion dollar give away for all her buddies at the universities in the COVID stimulus.

You are high if you think the Democratic Party isn’t all about lining the pockets of their elite friends.

 

[Pete7469]

Nah that’s just what republicans say every 4 years. You said it about Clinton, he was a moderate. You said it about Obama, he was a moderate too. Hillary would have been a moderate too.

Trump could have been a moderate but the far right got him elected so he’s serving them not mainstream America.

I'll give you a fraction of a point since BJ actually did work better with congress, but to say he was a moderate? That's asinine. He had to moderate his leftist agenda to get anything done.

Your meat puppet faggot is a full blown red diaper baby sociopath, he couldn't even get the rest of the democrooks in the senate to vote for the three budgets he submitted out of the 8 he was supposed too. Hitlary is about as "moderate" as Pol Pot, and just as vile.

Trump was a democrook himself until obozo dragged the party down the Trotsky Toilet, Hitlary was expected to maintain his ultra left regressive agenda and make the federal government more authoritarian. Trump is no where near a "right winger". He loves writing checks as much as Ted Kennedy and has done nothing to reduce the size of government. He has reduced a lot of asinine redundant regulations, but that's about it.

No go take a stool softener and melt you vacuous piece of shit.


.

 

[Pete7469]

Oh please. Pelosi loaded up and presented a 9.5 billion dollar give away for all her buddies at the universities in the COVID stimulus.

You are high if you think the Democratic Party isn’t all about lining the pockets of their elite friends.

First of all franco CAN NOT "think". He isn't "high", he huffs aerosol and is brain damaged.

 

[BlueGin]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

Democrats are Marxists. They aren’t about “ small government”

Trump is a Marxist.

Incorrect.

Marxist believe in abolishing boarders,private property, religion, law enforcement.

All Democratic positions

The hell they are, brainwashed functional moron. Start with the Democrats immigration bill of 2010 that started out with an ID card that would end this mess the GOP loves so much. Like every other modern country. Canada is not Marxist. Socialist means fair capitalism and intelligence for Christ's sake....

Lefties have been touting open boarders, Abolishing ICE and free healthcare and voting rights for illegals.

Defunding and dismantling the police (Hell they are doing it in Seattle,Portland,NYC)

Your pet project BLM is burning churches and tearing down religious symbols and your governors are arresting church goers.

I haven’t heard a single Democrat have a problem with any of this...why?...Because they support it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Libertarians always support Republicans

That would be your little secret now, wouldn't it

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try.

You're right, they haven't, so why would any true libertarian support a party that doesn't support liberty?

 

[francoHFW]

Well, we could start with him sending in DHS to punish states that piss him off. Then, all the executive orders he's used to work around Congress. And his efforts to bully tech companies, or anyone else really, who won't kiss his ass. It also comes through in so many of his asinine comments where he assumes he can do anything he wants because he's the President. I don't know if those come from ignorance or malice, but it doesn't matter. He literally thinks, as President, he can just "go after" anyone or any group who opposes him. He's an authoritarian alright. He's in love with power.

It's easy for me to concede he loves his own authority, and he is FAR FROM a "small government conservative", but at this point why has he not gone after individuals like Comey, Soros, Hitlary, Lynch, or anyone else that as far as I'm concerned should be thrown out of a helicopter?

At some point we're likely to end up with a despotic oligarchy if we don't technically live under one now. Looking back at what the moonbat messiah did with the government, I'm about ready for a Pinochet, because that's still a better result than a Stalin.

You are brainwashed to the point of insanity. What did the moon bat do exactly and who is the moonbat in your upside down world.. .

 

[BlueGin]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

Hell. No. Trump is the polar opposite of libertarian.

Yea but libertarians will vote for trump don’t worry. Libertarians are just cons who’ve been let down by republicans too much to say they are republicans.

People who call themselves libertarians, yet vote Republican aren't libertarians - big L or otherwise, they're just Republicans who don't want to admit they're Republicans.

LO2E is fraud.

Voting for ANYONE other than Trump is playing Russian Roulette with our nation. Your personal values won't save you from a radical take over of our nation.

Biden is a moderate not a radical

He will return us to normalcy

Biden was a moderate 25 years ago. Now he's whatever his handlers are, and they are radical left

Nah that’s just what republicans say every 4 years. You said it about Clinton, he was a moderate. You said it about Obama, he was a moderate too. Hillary would have been a moderate too.

Trump could have been a moderate but the far right got him elected so he’s serving them not mainstream America.

You think Obama and Hillary are moderates? How far left do you lean? Can you even walk upright?

That’s the progressives plan. Lean so far left that the fringe looks moderate

And every other modern country already has the benefits that Sanders and AOC want. Wake up and smell the coffee. why are we the only modern country without a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and ID card to end it illegal immigrants? Look in the mirror and snap out of it.

AOC’s views on property rights you say she doesn’t have...

“Socialism is defined as a the state-controlled economy in which private property and income distribution are subject to social control,"

 

[Orangecat]

I don't think that's an unreasonable definition, but I don't think it's the only reasonable answer either.

Agreed.

At that point, it's just a cell mass.

Agreed, with the caveat that it has different DNA than either parent.

There is no consciousness. The start of conciousness is a reasonable definition as well.

Possibly, but I was unconscious last night and still a living human. If you mean no measurable brain activity, that might work. Of course, that would change as our ability to measure such things gets more precise.

As is the ability to survive outside the womb.

That would be the weakest argument, imho, as a newborn baby is also unable to survive on its own.

There is not just one reasonable answer

True, but there is only one point where there is a new and unique DNA strand, and that's conception. Everything else is malleable, both scientifically and morally.
Btw, I am pro-choice as long as the people who had the orgasms pay for the consequences of such.

 

[Gdjjr]

Do they (libertarians) agree that a child's Constitutional rights should begin when their life does?

Rights predate the constitution- by forever. If you're referring to the Bill of Rights, those are lines that not to be crossed by the fed gov't and the 10th of those is quite clear- to wit: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Simple English seems to escape partisan hacks- no matter what stripe they wear. Libertarians, like Democrats and Republicans argue the point you failed to make.

 

[Gdjjr]

Libertarians believe......I got mine, Fuk everyone else
Republicans believe the same

As usual, you're wrong.

 

[dblack]

Don't get big government, executive orders, huge deficits or bailouts with Democrats. No siree, not now not ever.

Of course you get these things with Democrats. They don't claim otherwise. Republicans, on the other hand, pretend to care about these things.

 

[rightwinger]

Libertarians always support Republicans

That would be your little secret now, wouldn't it

Six of one
Half dozen of the other

I’m not Republican, I am libertarian