Its Time for Blacks to leave the Republican Party.

[ThisIsMe]

I never presented any study of white people being particularly fearful or pliable.

It attempts to by being amusingly paternalistic and racist about black people.

I never presented any study of white people being particularly fearful or pliable.

The “study” in this case (and I should have put it in quotes), are the articles, videos, and books that people like IM2 presents daily about how bad white people are, which leads people like you to think that everything that doesn’t fit neatly in your basket, is racism.

It attempts to by being amusingly paternalistic and racist about black people.

No,
It attempts to understand why black people vote overwhelmingly for democrats. It’s not racist to try and understand those reasons, IM2 just gave us an example of what those studies were talking about….social pressure.

 

[tahuyaman]

You are wromg. We have complained about continuing racism coming from whites. The Democratic policies have created what progress we have had. Whites have been the dependent class since this country was "founded". Democrats have not destroyed the black family structure. The slums a part of a bi partisan effort. Todays Republican party has people in it who believe we are not legal citizens of this country. Blacks should not belong to party with people in it who believe that.

Stop repeating that bullshit.

Democrat policies destroyed the black family and created a permanent dependent class. That’s what you wanted. You want to keep those people in their place. You are the closet racist.

 

[IM2]

Democrat policies destroyed the black family and created a permanent dependent class. That’s what you wanted. You want to keep those people in their place. You are the closet racist.

Again, whites need to shut the **** up about government deoendency. Your asses hve been dependent on the government since Juy 4, 1776. I'm black and no black family was destroyed by the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Fair Housing Act, or equal opportunity policies.

Let’s take a real look at government dependency. The assistance to single women with children part of the Social Security Act provided grants to states as Aid To Dependent Children. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare folks. Assistance for single moms with children and no daddy at home. In 1935. Blacks were excluded. Aid to Dependent Children functioned mainly to provide federal grants to help the states with mothers’ aid laws that began in 1910.

The plan was written by two ladies who had been former directors of what was at the time called the U.S. Children’s Bureau. The Children’s Bureau’s goal was to provide aid to all children whose mothers had no support from a husband no matter how they got into that position. From the Children’s Bureau in 1910 until 1965, no one talked about how the welfare state was wrong and created the disintegration of the white family. The program was not denigrated as something creating dependence on government; it was seen as essential assistance needed to help women without husbands who had children. The no man in the house rule ws a conservative rule and that rule ended in 1968. By a black woman in Alabama.

So the reality here is this: Government dependency was and is fine for whites, but only when the law required that others besides whites be included does the story change to the garbage your racist ass is posting today.

 

[Curried Goats]

The “study” in this case (and I should have put it in quotes), are the articles, videos, and books that people like IM2 presents daily about how bad white people are, which leads people like you to think that everything that doesn’t fit neatly in your basket, is racism.

So now I can't think for myself? Maybe stop being a little ***** and just be a proud boy racist. By the way it's reading your posts that has lead me to conclude that you're both a racist and a little *****.

No,
It attempts to understand why black people vote overwhelmingly for democrats. It’s not racist to try and understand those reasons, IM2 just gave us an example of what those studies were talking about….social pressure.

Why black people routinely vote opposite of that of rural white conservatives is obvious if you ever opened a ******* history book. Were you Trailerhome schooled?

 

[IM2]

The “study” in this case (and I should have put it in quotes), are the articles, videos, and books that people like IM2 presents daily about how bad white people are, which leads people like you to think that everything that doesn’t fit neatly in your basket, is racism.



No,
It attempts to understand why black people vote overwhelmingly for democrats. It’s not racist to try and understand those reasons, IM2 just gave us an example of what those studies were talking about….social pressure.

Social pressure doesn't have damn thing to do with it. Whites like you look for every excuse you can find to deny that YOU are the problem. It is not social pressure, it's your fucked up policies and the attitudes of the people who currenty control the Republican Party. Any black person who is working to restore white supremacy or supports policies that do, should be roundly criticized and rejected by all other sane black people, and for that matter people of every race.

 

[IM2]

The “study” in this case (and I should have put it in quotes), are the articles, videos, and books that people like IM2 presents daily about how bad white people are, which leads people like you to think that everything that doesn’t fit neatly in your basket, is racism

White victimhood gets no sympathy from me. The things I post show that there are whites still practicing racism and/or the government policies enacted by whites that have created the problems that blacks face today. If you don't like seeing these things, then they should never have been done. So if you don't like seeing these things then shut the **** up with your lectures to blacks on how we should live and the every day stories about blacks committing crimes, complete with the lectures on"black culture" while you want to tell us how we need to vote for a white boy who is a convicted felon to be president of this country. Stop whining white man, you reap what you sow. Whites aren't superior to anyone, your asses have made huge mistakes, and if you want this country to be great, stop crying about people showing your punk asses the mistakes you made and start doing the work needed to fix what you fucked up.

Don't start the bullshit that was in the past lie to deny the existing problems today. Don't hide behind the irresponsible excuse of I should not be blamed for what my granparents did when whites are doing the same stuff today. We should not be facing the same racist bullshit OUR grandparents faced, but we are. We should not have to be born into deficits created before we were born so that your white asses can remain comfortable.

But we are.

Whites created the racism here, not blacks. That means whites are responsible for fixing what their racism has caused. So stop telling everybody else to take responsibiity for their behavior when not one generation of whites has ever fully taken responsbiity for their behavior.

We are mostly democrats because that is the party where whites have at least tried doing that. They have not been perfect, nowhere near, but they are at least making the effort instead of blaming us for the problems, telling us to be quiet, denigrating any black individual or group, calling us racists for pointing out the problems that still exist, then claiming that because we do so that somehow whites are being oppressed.

We see that in the last 5 Presidential elections, Democrats have put up a black candidate 3 times. Republicans can't even get a black vice president. In this election cycle, you had a black senator who had served several terms, a hispanic senator who had served several terms, a former cabinet department head who was black, and yet who ended up being the VP on the ticket? A white boy who had not served 1/2 a term in the senate and yet you bitches call Kamala Harris a DEI candidate. Then you sit on on your ass questioning why I say:

It's Time for Blacks to leave the Republican Party.​

 

[tahuyaman]

…The program was not denigrated as something creating dependence on government;…

Yes it was.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Where to? Lol

Why any American of color would be in a Republican party that’s fundamentally racist and bigoted, a party seeking to disenfranchise Americans of color, a party motivated by white grievance politics and racist replacement theory, is in fact a mystery.

 

[ThisIsMe]

So now I can't think for myself? Maybe stop being a little ***** and just be a proud boy racist. By the way it's reading your posts that has lead me to conclude that you're both a racist and a little *****.

Why black people routinely vote opposite of that of rural white conservatives is obvious if you ever opened a ******* history book. Were you Trailerhome schooled?

So now I can't think for myself?

I’m sure you can, but even people who think for themselves can be influenced. That’s all I was saying.

A 90% democrat voting rate would indicate that much of it is based on past family, social pressure , and “because that’s how we’ve always done it”. Much of it because of things like what IM2 said. Much of it also influenced by media, of which I hear it a lot.

Maybe stop being a little ***** and just be a proud boy racist

lol, I’m not whining, just trying to talk, YOU are the one whining, evidenced by all snark and insults you levy toward me. And proud boys? Really? I’ll have you prove that..lol..good luck…

it's reading your posts that has lead me to conclude that you're both a racist and a little *****

Of course you would, because you can’t handle debate that goes against your grain, so you run to the racist accusation. Go ahead, show me anything I’ve said that was racist and tell me why you think that.

Why black people routinely vote opposite of that of rural white conservatives is obvious if you ever opened a ******* history book. Were you Trailerhome schooled?

It’s not obvious, and I don’t understand it, because there’s nothing the Conservative Party does that is against the interest of black people. We want people to work hard, and achieve great things, small government and closed borders.

What’s so wrong with that?

Black folks have been democrats for a long time, they grow up democrats, listening to democrats telling them how ****** hates them, so they become democrats themselves, and the cycle repeats generation after generation. Then, when someone breaks out of that cycle, you all call them sellouts.

It’s not that they can’t think for themselves, it’s that the information they’ve been given is wrong. They are taught all their lives that repubs are bad and dems are good based on lies told to them all their lives, and they grow up thinking that their situation in life is because of white republicans, when in fact, many of them live in cities run by democrats, but they are told that repubs are the reason for their problems.

 

[Curried Goats]

I’m sure you can, but even people who think for themselves can be influenced. That’s all I was saying.

A 90% democrat voting rate would indicate that much of it is based on past family, social pressure , and “because that’s how we’ve always done it”. Much of it because of things like what IM2 said. Much of it also influenced by media, of which I hear it a lot.

It only appears that way to morons more interested in their silly cosplay rather than being informed by history.

lol, I’m not whining, just trying to talk, YOU are the one whining, evidenced by all snark and insults you levy toward me. And proud boys? Really? I’ll have you prove that..lol..good luck…

I don't have to prove my opinions of you you ******* moron.

Of course you would, because you can’t handle debate that goes against your grain, so you run to the racist accusation. Go ahead, show me anything I’ve said that was racist and tell me why you think that.

What's to debate regarding your feelings you dumb Simp?

It’s not obvious, and I don’t understand it, because there’s nothing the Conservative Party does that is against the interest of black people. We want people to work hard, and achieve great things, small government and closed borders.

Black people do work hard. The 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families isn't a result of differences in work ethic.

What’s so wrong with that?

I find your platitudes empty and devoid of actual substance.

Black folks have been democrats for a long time, they grow up democrats, listening to democrats telling them how ****** hates them, so they become democrats themselves, and the cycle repeats generation after generation. Then, when someone breaks out of that cycle, you all call them sellouts.

And? Black people can't have opinions about other black people?

It’s not that they can’t think for themselves, it’s that the information they’ve been given is wrong. They are taught all their lives that repubs are bad and dems are good based on lies told to them all their lives, and they grow up thinking that their situation in life is because of white republicans, when in fact, many of them live in cities run by democrats, but they are told that repubs are the reason for their problems.

The problem is that you imagine you know what information anyone has been given. You're all just cosplayers.

 

[IM2]

Yes it was.

Whites need to shut up about goverment dependence.

 

[westwall]

If you are black and Republican, you are a fool. When people in the party you support do not believe you are a citizen of this country, it's time for you to find another party. It doesn't have to be the Democratic Party, join the Libertarian or the Green Party. At least they'll think you are a citizen.

The blacks are leaving YOU, you dumb SOB!

 

[westwall]

Whites need to shut up about goverment dependence.

You need to go **** yourself.

 

[IM2]

Black folks have been democrats for a long time, they grow up democrats, listening to democrats telling them how ****** hates them, so they become democrats themselves, and the cycle repeats generation after generation. Then, when someone breaks out of that cycle, you all call them sellouts.

Stop telling yourself this damn lie. This is another probem with whites like you. You're ******* arrogant. You can't accept that perhaps whites have been the problem. We can't have our opinion based on interactions and personal experiences with whites, It's got to be democrats teling us how ****** hates us. We can't be Democrats because we look at your policies and see that they suck. We can't call a black person a sellout because their opinion is harmful to the improvement of our comunity. Oh no, White republicans are perfect, nothing is your fault ever.

It’s not that they can’t think for themselves, it’s that the information they’ve been given is wrong. They are taught all their lives that repubs are bad and dems are good based on lies told to them all their lives, and they grow up thinking that their situation in life is because of white republicans, when in fact, many of them live in cities run by democrats, but they are told that repubs are the reason for their problems.

And here we see another example of white republicans passing the mother ******* buck. If the president of Wal Mart creates policy it applies to every store. So the store manger in one or two cities cannot be blamed for corporate policy. Yet Republicans want to blame democratic mayors for problems created by federal policy.

Call me Captain Obvious, but in every local election, a Repubican runs. That Republican offers his/her platform for the city, and they lose. If what they present would solve problems, they would get elected. So again, the arrogance on the right doesn't allow then to understnd that their policies suck, and that when we talk about racism it is because of white racist behavior we have personally experienced, not what people tell us to believe.

Other races have been historically democrat, but right wing whites don't say shit. How about shut the hell up trying to tell us to join a party that thinks teaching that slavery had benefits is a good thing.

 

[IM2]

A loon that endorsed Trump.

So? RFK Jr is irrelevant.

 

[westwall]

So? RFK Jr is irrelevant.

Hah! No you buffoon, YOU are irrelevant!

 

[ThisIsMe]

It only appears that way to morons more interested in their silly cosplay rather than being informed by history.

I don't have to prove my opinions of you you ******* moron.

What's to debate regarding your feelings you dumb Simp?

Black people do work hard. The 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families isn't a result of differences in work ethic.

I find your platitudes empty and devoid of actual substance.

And? Black people can't have opinions about other black people?

The problem is that you imagine you know what information anyone has been given. You're all just cosplayers.

It only appears that way to morons more interested in their silly cosplay rather than being informed by history.

Sure..social pressure has nothing to do with it, neither does influence. 90% of all black Americans have all had the exact same bad experiences that made them all decide to be democrat…all of them..really?

I don't have to prove my opinions of you you ******* moron.

Understood..you make baseless claims and don’t have the ability to back them up. So I’ll chalk that claim up to just another petty insult.

What's to debate regarding your feelings

I don’t believe it to be just my feelings. There are statistics involved here, unless you think you can provide evidence that the reason they vote like that is experience based rather than what the studies have shown.

Black people do work hard. The 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families isn't a result of differences in work ethic.

And it isn’t a result of purely Republican policies either. Hence why you have a lot of black people in democrat run cities and states who are not doing so well.

I find your platitudes empty and devoid of actual substan

They’re not platitudes…it’s just how it is. Republicans simply want those things…most of them adhere to the cotus as the law of the land, and want people to succeed with as little government intrusion as possible.

And? Black people can't have opinions about other black people?

Absolutely! But, it does show the example of social pressure I was referring to. A black person just can’t vote Republican…it’s looked down upon by other black people.

The problem is that you imagine you know what information anyone has been given. You're all just cosplayers.

No, I just look at the data, and think it’s plausible that it’s accurate, due to the statistical improbability that 90% of any group that consists of millions of people, vote one way based on personal experience alone.

you think this to be some sort of racist plot on my part, i assure you it isn’t. I just don’t buy that social pressure and familial history plays zero part in all of it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Stop telling yourself this damn lie. This is another probem with whites like you. You're ******* arrogant. You can't accept that perhaps whites have been the problem. We can't have our opinion based on interactions and personal experiences with whites, It's got to be democrats teling us how ****** hates us. We can't be Democrats because we look at your policies and see that they suck. We can't call a black person a sellout because their opinion is harmful to the improvement of our comunity. Oh no, White republicans are perfect, nothing is your fault ever.


And here we see another example of white republicans passing the mother ******* buck. If the president of Wal Mart creates policy it applies to every store. So the store manger in one or two cities cannot be blamed for corporate policy. Yet Republicans want to blame democratic mayors for problems created by federal policy.

Call me Captain Obvious, but in every local election, a Repubican runs. That Republican offers his/her platform for the city, and they lose. If what they present would solve problems, they would get elected. So again, the arrogance on the right doesn't allow then to understnd that their policies suck, and that when we talk about racism it is because of white racist behavior we have personally experienced, not what people tell us to believe.

Other races have been historically democrat, but right wing whites don't say shit. How about shut the hell up trying to tell us to join a party that thinks teaching that slavery had benefits is a good thing.

You can't accept that perhaps whites have been the problem.

I never said that. Some whites have been a problem and guess what, they’ve not all been republicans. I just don’t believe that all whites in a particular party are the problem.

We can't have our opinion based on interactions and personal experiences with whites, It's got to be democrats teling us how ****** hates us

You’re suggesting that 90% of all black people have the same negative personal experience with white/republican people? That’s millions of people…I don’t think that’s statistically probable. Also, remember, my argument was based on studies I read that said social pressure was one of the reasons for this statistic, which you have already proven to be true.

It's got to be democrats teling us how ****** hates us

A lot of it is. You forget, I spend time listening to progressive radio, so I know EXACTLY what they are saying.

We can't be Democrats because we look at your policies and see that they suck

Yes, you can, but 90% of a single group? Really? You’re saying that almost every black person thinks Republican policies are bad..and all of that is based on personal experience?

. We can't call a black person a sellout because their opinion is harmful to the improvement of our comunity. Oh no, White republicans are perfect, nothing is your fault ever.

You can call them whatever you want, in their opinion, they don’t think Repub policies are harmful, but you making those claims is just a form of social pressure, which I’m talking about. It’s like curriedgoats asked “black people cant think for themselves?”, they absolutely can, except when that thought isn’t in line with what many black people, such as yourself, think it should be, THEN it’s a problem, then there is something wrong with them, if they think and vote like that.

So why do you think some black people are republicans?

Oh, and white people are far from perfect, as are black people. I just don’t think all white repubs are bad people, like you apparently do.

Call me Captain Obvious, but in every local election, a Repubican runs. That Republican offers his/her platform for the city, and they lose.

That’s not true. Like, 26 states have Republican controlled legislatures, many Republican governors and mayors. So apparently someone thinks their policies are worthy.

So again, the arrogance on the right doesn't allow then to understnd that their policies suck, and that when we talk about racism it is because of white racist behavior we have personally experienced, not what people tell us to believe.

I just don’t buy that 90% of the black population has experienced racism in such a way that it would dissuade them from being republicans. More likely that they are told things like what the race baiters have said all their lives that get them to believing everything they experience is “racism”.

Proof in point…the fight at the grocery store, and Trump saying “that one is smart”. In neither case was there ANY context pointing to racism or that either instance was based on race, yet, the black folks on this forum came out and made that claim, without any proof, without any context. Then when I point that out, I get called a racist, because I simply ask “where’s the context?” It’s just an example of how, if you don’t support the narrative, you get castigated and labeled.

How about shut the hell up trying to tell us to join a party that thinks teaching that slavery had benefits is a good thing.

Your problem is, you lump people together. “The party” doesn’t teach that. There are some IN the party who may say that, but it’s not a party position. I mean, are we to take some of the bad things the dems have done, and apply that label to everyone in the party? I think not.

 

[Curried Goats]

Sure..social pressure has nothing to do with it, neither does influence. 90% of all black Americans have all had the exact same bad experiences that made them all decide to be democrat…all of them..really?

You feel free to imagine whatever motives you like cosplayer.

Understood..you make baseless claims and don’t have the ability to back them up. So I’ll chalk that claim up to just another petty insult.

I don't have to back up my feelings about you. I'm just expressing them, Moron.

I don’t believe it to be just my feelings. There are statistics involved here, unless you think you can provide evidence that the reason they vote like that is experience based rather than what the studies have shown.

You can find statistics about anything and all your studies showed were correlations, not causations.

And it isn’t a result of purely Republican policies either. Hence why you have a lot of black people in democrat run cities and states who are not doing so well.

I never claimed it was. Its your general vibe.

They’re not platitudes…it’s just how it is. Republicans simply want those things…most of them adhere to the cotus as the law of the land, and want people to succeed with as little government intrusion as possible.

They are platitudes. Wanting those things isn't the same as coming up with policies to address socioeconomic inequalities.

Absolutely! But, it does show the example of social pressure I was referring to. A black person just can’t vote Republican…it’s looked down upon by other black people.

And? There is social pressure for lots of things, as an adult you're supposed to be able to over come that sort of thing. Is there some reason you think black adults can't?There was social pressure to be catholic in my family and I'm agnostic. There was social pressure from others in family for my daughter to not get tattoos and she's all tatted up. (I happen to like them) And do you know what I try to socially pressure my 23 year old daughter to do? Vote! Does she? Not at all. I actually wish this social pressure was an actual thing. I've been trying to socially pressure her and friends, (who practically lived at my house through high-school) to vote ever since they turned 18 to no success. I don't even know if she knows there's a Jamaican running for President.

No, I just look at the data, and think it’s plausible that it’s accurate, due to the statistical improbability that 90% of any group that consists of millions of people, vote one way based on personal experience alone.

Because you have pedantic views about black adults.

you think this to be some sort of racist plot on my part, i assure you it isn’t. I just don’t buy that social pressure and familial history plays zero part in all of it.

It's not at all a plot, it's just plain ole dumb racism in search of a justification.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You feel free to imagine whatever motives you like cosplayer.

I don't have to back up my feelings about you. I'm just expressing them, Moron.

You can find statistics about anything and all your studies showed were correlations, not causations.

I never claimed it was. Its your general vibe.

They are platitudes. Wanting those things isn't the same as coming up with policies to address socioeconomic inequalities.

And? There is social pressure for lots of things, as an adult you're supposed to be able to over come that sort of thing. Is there some reason you think black adults can't?There was social pressure to be catholic in my family and I'm agnostic. There was social pressure from others in family for my daughter to not get tattoos and she's all tatted up. (I happen to like them) And do you know what I try to socially pressure my 23 year old daughter to do? Vote! Does she? Not at all. I actually wish this social pressure was an actual thing. I've been trying to socially pressure her and friends, (who practically lived at my house through high-school) to vote ever since they turned 18 to no success. I don't even know if she knows there's a Jamaican running for President.

Because you have pedantic views about black adults.

It's not at all a plot, it's just plain ole dumb racism in search of a justification.

I don't have to back up my feelings about you. I'm just expressing them,

I guess you’re just right, everyone is entitled to opinions.

You can find statistics about anything and all your studies showed were correlations, not causations.

I think the studies imply causation. Social pressure, familial history, and influence = 90% of black people voting for democrats. That could be just as much a causation as personal experience.

I never claimed it was. Its your general vibe

But you did, that’s what this whole thing is about, black people voting democrat because of Republican policies as opposed to democrat.

They are platitudes. Wanting those things isn't the same as coming up with policies to address socioeconomic inequalities.

But policies that make things fair for all is the way to address those inequalities. Nobody should be held back based on anything to do with race. Everyone should have the same opportunities to succeed. That’s what republicans want. Everyone works hard and gets to go as far as they want. If there are any race based barriers that prevents that, then i am in favor of removing all of them.

And? There is social pressure for lots of things, as an adult you're supposed to be able to over come that sort of thing. Is there some reason you think black adults can't?

Some have, and you call them uncle toms and sellouts….

So, in your opinion, 90% of all black people are like minded? They have all had the same negative experience with republicans?

There was social pressure to be catholic in my family and I'm agnostic. There was social pressure from others in family for my daughter to not get tattoos and she's all tatted up.

But did you grow up in a typical black community? I thought you said you immigrated here. Still, these are not representative of how an entire populace votes. Remember, social pressure was just one factor. The others being influence by media and also familial history.

And do you know what I try to socially pressure my 23 year old daughter to do? Vote! Does she?

What would you think if she did vote….Republican? Would that be ok? Or would you think something was wrong with her for doing soDoes your encouraging her to vote come with “vote what you think”?, or does it come with coaching, perhaps a lifetime of you saying things about how repubs are bad etc? Or have you always been neutral in your house about politics?

Because you have pedantic views about black adults.

What is pedantic about suggesting that social pressure and influence plays a part in how almost
all of one demographic votes? That’s a very plausible explanation, certainly as plausible that 90% of an entire group has had the same experiences that has influenced their views. THAT is a pedantic viewpoint. Im merely suggesting that there’s more at play here than “all black people have views formed by personal experience with the Republican Party”, I think a lot of their experience has been influenced by negative perception based on what they’ve been told all their lives.

I've been trying to socially pressure her and friends, (who practically lived at my house through high-school) to vote ever since they turned 18 to no success.

So then you admit social pressure exists, yet you deny this is a possibility among the rest of the black community. The fact that you admit you are socially pressuring her…does this mean she can’t think for herself? I mean, that is the same argument you are using to debunk my argument.

It's not at all a plot, it's just plain ole dumb racism in search of a justification.

Not at all, it’s just a viewpoint based on what I’ve read, and it makes more sense than 90% of any demographic being of the same experience.