Its Time for Blacks to leave the Republican Party.

We have seen what the Republicn party is doing. Until there is a change, it is time for any black person who has good sense to leave the party. White republicans can just shut up tryingto tell us how we shouldn't. Your party has opposed everything that has helped blacks improve our situation since the civil rights act, claiming it is all racism against whites when it has not been. The problem in cities are not democratic policies, it is white backlash, and that white backlash woud be magnified if Republicans ran cities. There is really nothing more for me to discuss. I'm black living this, not some white Republican offering an opinion arguing based on my hurt feelings.
 
why would you guys stay with the democrats?....wasnt it Al Sharpton who said they tell you how they are for you but never invite you to dinner?..the democrats use your people for votes and once in a while throw you a bone and say see how wonderful we are...
BINGO!
 
I guess you’re just right, everyone is entitled to opinions.

I think the studies imply causation. Social pressure, familial history, and influence = 90% of black people voting for democrats. That could be just as much a causation as personal experience.
Implying causation isn't the same as proving causation. They're are no shortage of black voters who'll be happy to tell you why we don't vote for Republicans, all you need do is listen to what we tell you rather than cosplaying and make believing what you want to hear.
But you did, that’s what this whole thing is about, black people voting democrat because of Republican policies as opposed to democrat.
Yeah, Republican policies suck. They lead to poorer outcomes generally for the people who live in their counties and states and a lot of their voters are deplorably bigoted and racist. That isn't to say Democrats are perfect but they aren't the shit show the Republican party is.
But policies that make things fair for all is the way to address those inequalities.
Again that ain't saying shit. Fair is some subjective notion. I don't think you and I would agree on what's fair. I don't think it's particularly fair that Black Americans should have to live under laws and socio economic systems designed by slavers.
Nobody should be held back based on anything to do with race.
Again, that's just rhetoric. The fact of the matter is that Black Americans were so what are you prepared to do about it? If your answer is nothing then why wonder why so few wish to vote with you? Maybe you've succumbed to the notion that government isn't supposed to do anything for you but I'm of the belief that if you want my vote then I want to know how you plan to address my concerns, not just spout sad poetry at me about equality and freedom.
Everyone should have the same opportunities to succeed. That’s what republicans want. Everyone works hard and gets to go as far as they want. If there are any race based barriers that prevents that, then i am in favor of removing all of them.
The pretense there is that we live in a merit based society and yet the 10 to 1 wealth gap between white families and black families and the economic disparities between white Americans and the colonized immigrants of the third world is not from merit but from atrocity. Stopping your assault and theft of life and livelihood isn't the same as atoning or addressing it.
Some have, and you call them uncle toms and sellouts….
And? It all comes back to why you think that would particularly influence any free thinking adult to vote one way or the other.
So, in your opinion, 90% of all black people are like minded? They have all had the same negative experience with republicans?
I think we generally agree that Republicans suck as human beings, yes. You're looking at these studies for comfort as to why rather than just listening to the words coming out of black people's mouths.
But did you grow up in a typical black community? I thought you said you immigrated here.
Exactly. That's the thing, I didn't grow up in a typical Black American family. My family came here from Jamaica in the 80s and it didn't really take us long to figure out Republicans suck as human beings as well.
Still, these are not representative of how an entire populace votes. Remember, social pressure was just one factor. The others being influence by media and also familial history.
Or just history history. White southern conservatives have always been trash human beings.
What would you think if she did vote….Republican? Would that be ok? Or would you think something was wrong with her for doing soDoes your encouraging her to vote come with “vote what you think”?, or does it come with coaching, perhaps a lifetime of you saying things about how repubs are bad etc? Or have you always been neutral in your house about politics?
I've always been happy to let my daughter or whoever, be whoever they want to be. Who she votes for is of absolute no concern to me, I'd just be happy for to her more civically engaged. My concerns are all about whether she's a decent person and whether society will be decent to her in return.
What is pedantic about suggesting that social pressure and influence plays a part in how almost
all of one demographic votes?
Because apparently you think something is different in this population that makes them particularly susceptible in a way other demographics arent when the fact of the matter is nearly all minorities vote against Republicans in overwhelming rates. Asians, LGTBQ, Muslims, Jews..... Latinos give you the most support at a whopping 40% and many of them identify as white.
That’s a very plausible explanation, certainly as plausible that 90% of an entire group has had the same experiences that has influenced their views. THAT is a pedantic viewpoint. Im merely suggesting that there’s more at play here than “all black people have views formed by personal experience with the Republican Party”, I think a lot of their experience has been influenced by negative perception based on what they’ve been told all their lives.
I think a diverse group of people look at your people and your policies and have collectively concluded that you're trash.
So then you admit social pressure exists, yet you deny this is a possibility among the rest of the black community. The fact that you admit you are socially pressuring her…does this mean she can’t think for herself? I mean, that is the same argument you are using to debunk my argument.
I just mean that I ask her and her friends if they voted yet every election (I early vote) as subtle nudge and send her Jasmine Crockett videos unsolicited.
Not at all, it’s just a viewpoint based on what I’ve read, and it makes more sense than 90% of any demographic being of the same experience.
I'm sure it does make sense to you. There there. :itsok:
 
You feel free to imagine whatever motives you like cosplayer. :itsok:

I don't have to back up my feelings about you. I'm just expressing them, Moron.

You can find statistics about anything and all your studies showed were correlations, not causations.

I never claimed it was. Its your general vibe.

They are platitudes. Wanting those things isn't the same as coming up with policies to address socioeconomic inequalities.

And? There is social pressure for lots of things, as an adult you're supposed to be able to over come that sort of thing. Is there some reason you think black adults can't?There was social pressure to be catholic in my family and I'm agnostic. There was social pressure from others in family for my daughter to not get tattoos and she's all tatted up. (I happen to like them) And do you know what I try to socially pressure my 23 year old daughter to do? Vote! Does she? Not at all. I actually wish this social pressure was an actual thing. I've been trying to socially pressure her and friends, (who practically lived at my house through high-school) to vote ever since they turned 18 to no success. I don't even know if she knows there's a Jamaican running for President.

Because you have pedantic views about black adults.

It's not at all a plot, it's just plain ole dumb racism in search of a justification.



I’d be curious on your thoughts on this.
 


I’d be curious on your thoughts on this.

I think he's saying the same damn thing I'm saying. Did you listen to it? Right off the bat he said he isn't the type of person to give a damn how people feel about how he votes.
 
I think he's saying the same damn thing I'm saying. Did you listen to it? Right off the bat he said he isn't the type of person to give a damn how people feel about how he votes.
Apparently you didn’t make it past 2 minutes in the video. The first part with Stephen A Smith is just a small snippet of the entire video. So, the fact that you responded to that segment tells me you didn’t see what the video was actually about.

Watch the whole thing, the important part is after the clip of smith.
 
Implying causation isn't the same as proving causation. They're are no shortage of black voters who'll be happy to tell you why we don't vote for Republicans, all you need do is listen to what we tell you rather than cosplaying and make believing what you want to hear.

Yeah, Republican policies suck. They lead to poorer outcomes generally for the people who live in their counties and states and a lot of their voters are deplorably bigoted and racist. That isn't to say Democrats are perfect but they aren't the shit show the Republican party is.

Again that ain't saying shit. Fair is some subjective notion. I don't think you and I would agree on what's fair. I don't think it's particularly fair that Black Americans should have to live under laws and socio economic systems designed by slavers.

Again, that's just rhetoric. The fact of the matter is that Black Americans were so what are you prepared to do about it? If your answer is nothing then why wonder why so few wish to vote with you? Maybe you've succumbed to the notion that government isn't supposed to do anything for you but I'm of the belief that if you want my vote then I want to know how you plan to address my concerns, not just spout sad poetry at me about equality and freedom.

The pretense there is that we live in a merit based society and yet the 10 to 1 wealth gap between white families and black families and the economic disparities between white Americans and the colonized immigrants of the third world is not from merit but from atrocity. Stopping your assault and theft of life and livelihood isn't the same as atoning or addressing it.

And? It all comes back to why you think that would particularly influence any free thinking adult to vote one way or the other.

I think we generally agree that Republicans suck as human beings, yes. You're looking at these studies for comfort as to why rather than just listening to the words coming out of black people's mouths.

Exactly. That's the thing, I didn't grow up in a typical Black American family. My family came here from Jamaica in the 80s and it didn't really take us long to figure out Republicans suck as human beings as well.

Or just history history. White southern conservatives have always been trash human beings.

I've always been happy to let my daughter or whoever, be whoever they want to be. Who she votes for is of absolute no concern to me, I'd just be happy for to her more civically engaged. My concerns are all about whether she's a decent person and whether society will be decent to her in return.

Because apparently you think something is different in this population that makes them particularly susceptible in a way other demographics arent when the fact of the matter is nearly all minorities vote against Republicans in overwhelming rates. Asians, LGTBQ, Muslims, Jews..... Latinos give you the most support at a whopping 40% and many of them identify as white.

I think a diverse group of people look at your people and your policies and have collectively concluded that you're trash.

I just mean that I ask her and her friends if they voted yet every election (I early vote) as subtle nudge and send her Jasmine Crockett videos unsolicited.

I'm sure it does make sense to you. There there. :itsok:

Implying causation isn't the same as proving causation

But the argument is every bit as plausible as yours, whether or not you admit it

They're are no shortage of black voters who'll be happy to tell you why we don't vote for Republicans, all you need do is listen to what we tell you rather than cosplaying and make believing what you want to hear.

I went on YouTube today and spent some time listening to views on why black people vote democrat. You know what the majority of the opinion was? It was all based on history, about how blacks coming out of slavery voted for what was in their best interest, and it talked about southern democrats and different things of that nature. The point being, it reinforced the point that a lot of the reason blacks vote democrat goes back hundred of years, and has been carried forward to today. Which is exactly what I said. Demkcrats have just been voting that way for so long, it’s just a part of what they do..

But none of the videos ever addressed why blacks still vote democrat today, because the Republican party today is not the Republican party of back then. Oppression is not the pervasive trait of the Republican Party, though many democrats would like you to think so.

Yeah, Republican policies suck. They lead to poorer outcomes generally for the people who live in their counties and states

Sure are a lot of democratic run cities that have a lot of poor people. Maybe it’s not just republicans?

Again that ain't saying shit. Fair is some subjective notion. I don't think you and I would agree on what's fair. I don't think it's particularly fair that Black Americans should have to live under laws and socio economic systems designed by slavers.

I don’t know, I think fair is pretty straight forward. It means each person is given the same opportunity, without bias, without barriers.

What laws that the founders put into the cotus don’t disagree with? What would you change?

Again, that's just rhetoric. The fact of the matter is that Black Americans were so what are you prepared to do about it?

Considering I have no power, what would you like me to do about it? All I can do is say that there should be nothing holding anyone back, and that all people are afforded the exact same opportunities. Again, what would you like me to do about it?

f your answer is nothing then why wonder why so few wish to vote with you?

If you are referring to Republican policies, I’d say the best thing they could do from the start is to ensure equal access to all opportunities. I also have agreed in the past that I think black people should get help, though I don’t agree with what many people think that help should be.

Maybe you've succumbed to the notion that government isn't supposed to do anything for you

I think what government should give you is an opportunity to be successful, and then get out of the way. Stop over taxing, stop making laws that hinder people from achieving their dreams.

but I'm of the belief that if you want my vote then I want to know how you plan to address my concerns, not just spout sad poetry at me about equality and freedom.

What would you, personally, like your government to do for you? What thing or opportunity would you like the government to afford you that you don’t already have the ability to do?

The pretense there is that we live in a merit based society and yet the 10 to 1 wealth gap between white families and black families and the economic disparities between white Americans and the colonized immigrants of the third world is not from merit but from atrocity. Stopping your assault and theft of life and livelihood isn't the same as atoning or addressing it.

We do live in a merit based society, you work hard, you should be rewarded. Now, I admit that black folks have been hurt along the way, so I’m not opposed to giving them some help on things they have been denied before, but again, what form of help that entails, and who gets it, is something of a conundrum to me, as we’ve discussed previously.

As to the wealth gap, you solve that by increasing opportunity, though I’d like to hear your thoughts on how you do it.

And? It all comes back to why you think that would particularly influence any free thinking adult to vote one way or the other.

It comes down to you thinking the only free thinking black peoples are the ones who vote democrat. Anyone else has something wrong with them.

You're looking at these studies for comfort as to why rather than just listening to the words coming out of black people's mouths.

No, I just read the data and it makes sense..has no bearing on comfort, personally, i wish more black people would vote Republican, but apparently the black community won’t have it. If that happens, they are branded traitors, sellouts, and uncle toms….again..social pressure.

Who she votes for is of absolute no concern to m
Tell me that if she walked in one day wearing a maga hat, you’d be supportive and encouraging of that…really? You wouldn’t be disappointed in her? You wound try to dissuade her? You wouldn’t tell her there is something wrong with her, as you would any other black person who voted for Trump? Yeah. I think you’d have some “words of encouragement” for her..just going off of what I see here, and your attitude toward “trumpers”.


Because apparently you think something is different in this population that makes them particularly susceptible in a way other demographics arent when the fact of the matter is nearly all minorities vote against Republicans in overwhelming rates. Asians, LGTBQ, Muslims, Jews.....

And I bet many of those are influenced by media as well, unless you are going to add all of those people to the 90% of black folks that all have had racial experiences with republicans that all made them vote democrat. lol, I’m sorry, but there just isn’t THAT much racism in the Republican Party. I listen to conservative radio as well, and race just
Isn’t an issue, if it were the issue you claim it to be, you’d hear these right wingers making racist comments all day every day, but that just doesn’t happen, but listening to progressive radio, they certainly tell their listeners that that is the case.

I think a diverse group of people look at your people and your policies and have collectively concluded that you're trash.

Oh? What policies are those? States rights? Small government? Low taxes? Religious freedom? I mean, I’m having a hard time seeing what policies are bad here.

as subtle nudge and send her Jasmine Crockett videos unsolicited.

lol, I assume you’re being coy..if not, thanks for proving my point..again..
 
The Democrat party thinks black people are too stupid to obtain a basic free identity card.

I know that to not be true.
 
But the argument is every bit as plausible as yours, whether or not you admit it
It's not. Mine comes from the personal experience of being a black person with black friends and family and yours is supposition and correlation desperately wishing it was causation.
I went on YouTube today and spent some time listening to views on why black people vote democrat. You know what the majority of the opinion was? It was all based on history, about how blacks coming out of slavery voted for what was in their best interest, and it talked about southern democrats and different things of that nature. The point being, it reinforced the point that a lot of the reason blacks vote democrat goes back hundred of years, and has been carried forward to today. Which is exactly what I said. Demkcrats have just been voting that way for so long, it’s just a part of what they do..
Sure it was.... lets see one of these videos.... :lol:
But none of the videos ever addressed why blacks still vote democrat today, because the Republican party today is not the Republican party of back then. Oppression is not the pervasive trait of the Republican Party, though many democrats would like you to think so.
The videos you just made up in your imagination?
Sure are a lot of democratic run cities that have a lot of poor people. Maybe it’s not just republicans?
No it's republicans. Third Way did an excellent study of comparing democratic and republic districts of similar wealth and income and demographics and found that Republican ones produced poorer health, economic opportunity but more crime.

Third Way
I don’t know, I think fair is pretty straight forward. It means each person is given the same opportunity, without bias, without barriers.
I don't think a 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families and socio-economic disparities in home ownership represents the same opportunities.
What laws that the founders put into the cotus don’t disagree with? What would you change?
The electoral college for one. It was designed to protect slave states.
Considering I have no power, what would you like me to do about it? All I can do is say that there should be nothing holding anyone back, and that all people are afforded the exact same opportunities. Again, what would you like me to do about it?
You can say but as you can see that isn't a convincing argument to the vast majority of black voters.
If you are referring to Republican policies, I’d say the best thing they could do from the start is to ensure equal access to all opportunities. I also have agreed in the past that I think black people should get help, though I don’t agree with what many people think that help should be.
That rhetoric is empty and unconvincing to me. I don't owe anyone my vote. Republicans are going to have to come and earn it.
I think what government should give you is an opportunity to be successful, and then get out of the way. Stop over taxing, stop making laws that hinder people from achieving their dreams.
Again, you aren't saying much of anything specific. It wasn't taxes that created the 10 to 1 wealth gap, it was injustice. What are the Republican plans to see that Black Americans receive the justice they deserve?
What would you, personally, like your government to do for you? What thing or opportunity would you like the government to afford you that you don’t already have the ability to do?
I would like the government to give reparations to victims on racial and economic injustice.
We do live in a merit based society, you work hard, you should be rewarded. Now, I admit that black folks have been hurt along the way, so I’m not opposed to giving them some help on things they have been denied before, but again, what form of help that entails, and who gets it, is something of a conundrum to me, as we’ve discussed previously.
We don't live in a merit based society, that notion doesn't even make any objective sense.
As to the wealth gap, you solve that by increasing opportunity, though I’d like to hear your thoughts on how you do it.
Reparations. That's my thought on it.
It comes down to you thinking the only free thinking black peoples are the ones who vote democrat. Anyone else has something wrong with them.
That's not what I think. You just made that up.
No, I just read the data and it makes sense..has no bearing on comfort, personally, i wish more black people would vote Republican, but apparently the black community won’t have it. If that happens, they are branded traitors, sellouts, and uncle toms….again..social pressure.
And adult black voters are so weak willed that you think name calling is enough to switch their votes? I don't have any problem with you thinking that poorly if would be black republicans, I just find it an amusing admission. :lol:

Tell me that if she walked in one day wearing a maga hat, you’d be supportive and encouraging of that…really? You wouldn’t be disappointed in her? You wound try to dissuade her? You wouldn’t tell her there is something wrong with her, as you would any other black person who voted for Trump? Yeah. I think you’d have some “words of encouragement” for her..just going off of what I see here, and your attitude toward “trumpers”.
I will always encourage my daughter to be true to her beliefs. Having to live a life of pretend is the fate I laugh at white racists for being forced to live I would never do that to someone I love. Also again this anger you think I have for black republicans is imaginary. I find MAGAts to be amusing more than anything if she did come into the house genuinely wearing a MAGA hat I'd probably wouldn't troll her as thoroughly I do my two actual MAGA relatives but I'd probably have some fun with it.
And I bet many of those are influenced by media as well, unless you are going to add all of those people to the 90% of black folks that all have had racial experiences with republicans that all made them vote democrat. lol, I’m sorry, but there just isn’t THAT much racism in the Republican Party.
I don't know what this stupid premise of yours is. I don't even know what you mean by racial experience. I go by history and the things Republicans themselves do and claim. White southern conservatives seceded and went to war to protect slavery. After the war they terrorized black people under Jim Crow and 65 years ago when black equality was put to a vote the entire former Confederate conservative south, both republican and democratic representatives of those States voted against equality. Today republican legislatures and justices fight against the protections of the Voting Rights act, they attack the LGTBQ community at every turn and the still celebrate Confederates day and Robert E Lee day on MLK jr.'s birthday and holiday. You're trash people.
I listen to conservative radio as well, and race just
Isn’t an issue, if it were the issue you claim it to be, you’d hear these right wingers making racist comments all day every day, but that just doesn’t happen, but listening to progressive radio, they certainly tell their listeners that that is the case.
I don't care what you hear you dumb Simp. Are you trying to win your own vote or our vote? You have to address our concerns and what we see and hear.
Oh? What policies are those? States rights? Small government? Low taxes? Religious freedom? I mean, I’m having a hard time seeing what policies are bad here.
Privatization of public school and social security. Cutting of welfare programs, more tax cuts for the rich, no gun control, no regulations in corporations.... yeah, those policies aren't appealing to me.
lol, I assume you’re being coy..if not, thanks for proving my point..again..
It proves my point you moron. Not even my impressionable young daughter is moved by social pressure. If anyone would be it would be younger voters but they vote the least.
 
It's not. Mine comes from the personal experience of being a black person with black friends and family and yours is supposition and correlation desperately wishing it was causation.

Sure it was.... lets see one of these videos.... :lol:

The videos you just made up in your imagination?

No it's republicans. Third Way did an excellent study of comparing democratic and republic districts of similar wealth and income and demographics and found that Republican ones produced poorer health, economic opportunity but more crime.

Third Way

I don't think a 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families and socio-economic disparities in home ownership represents the same opportunities.

The electoral college for one. It was designed to protect slave states.

You can say but as you can see that isn't a convincing argument to the vast majority of black voters.

That rhetoric is empty and unconvincing to me. I don't owe anyone my vote. Republicans are going to have to come and earn it.

Again, you aren't saying much of anything specific. It wasn't taxes that created the 10 to 1 wealth gap, it was injustice. What are the Republican plans to see that Black Americans receive the justice they deserve?

I would like the government to give reparations to victims on racial and economic injustice.

We don't live in a merit based society, that notion doesn't even make any objective sense.

Reparations. That's my thought on it.

That's not what I think. You just made that up.

And adult black voters are so weak willed that you think name calling is enough to switch their votes? I don't have any problem with you thinking that poorly if would be black republicans, I just find it an amusing admission. :lol:


I will always encourage my daughter to be true to her beliefs. Having to live a life of pretend is the fate I laugh at white racists for being forced to live I would never do that to someone I love. Also again this anger you think I have for black republicans is imaginary. I find MAGAts to be amusing more than anything if she did come into the house genuinely wearing a MAGA hat I'd probably wouldn't troll her as thoroughly I do my two actual MAGA relatives but I'd probably have some fun with it.

I don't know what this stupid premise of yours is. I don't even know what you mean by racial experience. I go by history and the things Republicans themselves do and claim. White southern conservatives seceded and went to war to protect slavery. After the war they terrorized black people under Jim Crow and 65 years ago when black equality was put to a vote the entire former Confederate conservative south, both republican and democratic representatives of those States voted against equality. Today republican legislatures and justices fight against the protections of the Voting Rights act, they attack the LGTBQ community at every turn and the still celebrate Confederates day and Robert E Lee day on MLK jr.'s birthday and holiday. You're trash people.

I don't care what you hear you dumb Simp. Are you trying to win your own vote or our vote? You have to address our concerns and what we see and hear.

Privatization of public school and social security. Cutting of welfare programs, more tax cuts for the rich, no gun control, no regulations in corporations.... yeah, those policies aren't appealing to me.

It proves my point you moron. Not even my impressionable young daughter is moved by social pressure. If anyone would be it would be younger voters but they vote the least.

Sure it was.... lets see one of these videos.... :lol:







 
It's not. Mine comes from the personal experience of being a black person with black friends and family and yours is supposition and correlation desperately wishing it was causation.

Sure it was.... lets see one of these videos.... :lol:

The videos you just made up in your imagination?

No it's republicans. Third Way did an excellent study of comparing democratic and republic districts of similar wealth and income and demographics and found that Republican ones produced poorer health, economic opportunity but more crime.

Third Way

I don't think a 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families and socio-economic disparities in home ownership represents the same opportunities.

The electoral college for one. It was designed to protect slave states.

You can say but as you can see that isn't a convincing argument to the vast majority of black voters.

That rhetoric is empty and unconvincing to me. I don't owe anyone my vote. Republicans are going to have to come and earn it.

Again, you aren't saying much of anything specific. It wasn't taxes that created the 10 to 1 wealth gap, it was injustice. What are the Republican plans to see that Black Americans receive the justice they deserve?

I would like the government to give reparations to victims on racial and economic injustice.

We don't live in a merit based society, that notion doesn't even make any objective sense.

Reparations. That's my thought on it.

That's not what I think. You just made that up.

And adult black voters are so weak willed that you think name calling is enough to switch their votes? I don't have any problem with you thinking that poorly if would be black republicans, I just find it an amusing admission. :lol:


I will always encourage my daughter to be true to her beliefs. Having to live a life of pretend is the fate I laugh at white racists for being forced to live I would never do that to someone I love. Also again this anger you think I have for black republicans is imaginary. I find MAGAts to be amusing more than anything if she did come into the house genuinely wearing a MAGA hat I'd probably wouldn't troll her as thoroughly I do my two actual MAGA relatives but I'd probably have some fun with it.

I don't know what this stupid premise of yours is. I don't even know what you mean by racial experience. I go by history and the things Republicans themselves do and claim. White southern conservatives seceded and went to war to protect slavery. After the war they terrorized black people under Jim Crow and 65 years ago when black equality was put to a vote the entire former Confederate conservative south, both republican and democratic representatives of those States voted against equality. Today republican legislatures and justices fight against the protections of the Voting Rights act, they attack the LGTBQ community at every turn and the still celebrate Confederates day and Robert E Lee day on MLK jr.'s birthday and holiday. You're trash people.

I don't care what you hear you dumb Simp. Are you trying to win your own vote or our vote? You have to address our concerns and what we see and hear.

Privatization of public school and social security. Cutting of welfare programs, more tax cuts for the rich, no gun control, no regulations in corporations.... yeah, those policies aren't appealing to me.

It proves my point you moron. Not even my impressionable young daughter is moved by social pressure. If anyone would be it would be younger voters but they vote the least.

Mine comes from the personal experience of being a black person with black friends and family and yours is supposition and correlation desperately wishing it was causation.

Ok, what examples of racism have you personally experienced? Do you think that 90% of the black community has had experiences that would sour them on republicans? Really? 90%? Like I said before, with 35 million black Americans in the country, if that were the case, we’d see open and brazen examples of racism daily…yet most republicans don’t even think about race..until we run into forums like this…

I don't think a 10 to 1 wealth gap between white and black families and socio-economic disparities in home ownership represents the same opportunities.

Ok, and you think that the wealth gap is solely the fault of republicans?

The electoral college for one. It was designed to protect slave states.

And slavery is gone, every one has an equal vote now, so what remains is a policy to give smaller states some kind of voice in how our government operates. You also forget, each state has electoral votes based on the number of representatives and senators they have, so smaller states have smaller electoral votes. So in essence, it IS proportional, it’s just that, since republicans control a majority of states, all those little electoral votes add up.

We do not live in a democracy, we live in a representative republic, it was never intended for majority rule. What you are suggesting is to take away any voice smaller states would have, and allow a handful of states to be the controlling interest in the entire country.

However, the cotus that you hate so much gave us a way to change it. The amendment process or a convention of states. If you want to change things, get your legislators to start the process.


That rhetoric is empty and unconvincing to me. I don't owe anyone my vote. Republicans are going to have to come and earn it.

And how would they do that? If they passed a reparations bill, would you start voting Republican?

What are the Republican plans to see that Black Americans receive the justice they deserve?

What are the democrats plans? Why are they dragging their feet? Hell, newsome has a reparations bill ready to go! I think Indiana does as well, what are they waiting for? You want to fault the right for not doing their part, when the left already has the bills waiting to be signed…and the democratic governors are dragging their feet.

How long as there been a reparations commission in the house? Where are they at? What are their proposals?

I would like the government to give reparations to victims on racial and economic injustice.

We’ve been down this road. So you say you want the government to provide reparations, but you have no thoughts on what those reparations would look like.

Also, I’ve agreed that black peoples have been wronged, but the question on the table seems to be, should we make every black person in America multi millionaires by giving them checks for millions of dollars, free homes, no taxes etc.. I think that’s not the right way to go about it…

I’ve asked before and I’ll ask again, what do you think reparations should be?

We don't live in a merit based society, that notion doesn't even make any objective sense.

Sure we do…if you don’t work…you don’t make money…the harder you work, the more you make…the more you apply yourself, you get raises and climb the ladder..that seems like a merit based society to me.

And adult black voters are so weak willed that you think name calling is enough to switch their votes? I don't have any problem with you thinking that poorly if would be black republicans, I just find it an amusing admission.

And yet again, you mischaracterize my thoughts on this. For some reason you seem to keep coming back to “you think blacks can’t think for themselves” which isn’t what I said, nor insinuated. I said that social pressure can affect how they vote, and we’ve seen examples of social pressure from IM2, and family history can influence people. How you grow up, what you are taught, what is expected of you, all play a part in how you do things, voting included. This affects all people, black and white. Nobody is immune from outside influence.


Having to live a life of pretend is the fate I laugh at white racists for being forced to live

Yeah, and we can see that you kind of just assume a lot of stuff. You seem to be in the group that anyone who disagrees with you is racist. Look at our discussion…I’ve not said anything racist, I’ve just given you my opinion based on things I see…but you can’t help yourself…everything HAS to be racist.

Its ok..have your opinion..I hear these same tropes every time I turn on the progressive radio channel. Seems to be a fairly predictable pattern amongst leftists.

if she did come into the house genuinely wearing a MAGA hat I'd probably wouldn't troll her as thoroughly I do my two actual MAGA relatives but I'd probably have some fun with it.


Thanks! There that social pressure…relatives voting for someone like Trump and you feel you need to razz them for it…you just admitted what I’ve been saying…social pressure!

I don't know what this stupid premise of yours is. I don't even know what you mean by racial experience. I go by history and the things Republicans themselves do and claim. White southern conservatives seceded and went to war to protect slavery. After the war they terrorized black people under Jim Crow and 65 years ago when black equality was put to a vote the entire former Confederate conservative south, both republican and democratic representatives of those States voted against equality.

yep, the U.S. has a bad history and I’m at least glad you admit that both repubs and dems had a hand in that evil, but that was then, this is 2024..it’s not the same country.

Today republican legislatures and justices fight against the protections of the Voting Rights act

Show me states trying to prevent black people from voting, and I don’t mean your assumed ideas, I mean show me the legislation where they are trying to stop black peoples from voting? Oh, you mean voter ID? Purging voter rolls? That’s to make sure illegals are not being registered to vote..and has nothing to do with trying to prevent any legal eligible American citizen from voting.

they attack the LGTBQ community at every turn

Do they? I mean, the religious crowd certainly believes that being gay is a sin, but where are they attacking the lgbtq crowd? You mean trans people performing for young children wearing burlesque type clothing and dancing seductively? You mean pride parades where people are half naked..and sometimes actually naked when there are children there? Yeah..I think all people should be against that. You mean the lefts crazy desire to transition teenagers? Allowing them to make potentially life altering changes to their bodies? Adults allowing them to take hormones and puberty blockers and holding up natural development? Uh..yeah..how about we wait until they are of an age where they know what is going on with themselves. You do realize kids go through phases..right? Just because boy has a phase where he is interested in dolls doesn’t mean he’s gay..or thinks he’s a woman…

nd the still celebrate Confederates day and Robert E Lee day on MLK jr.'s birthday and holiday

MLK birthday was Jan 15th, his holiday is the 3rd Monday on January so the date changes but it’s in January

A couple of states observe a confederate day later in the year…and whoever celebrates Robert e Lee day does it on January 19. So, the dates are not on his birthday.

I don't care what you hear you dumb Simp. Are you trying to win your own vote or our vote? You have to address our concerns and what we see and hear.

Of course you don’t, you care not to acknowledge the fact that the hate and division is mostly spread by your side. And the response was about the influence of liberal talk radio, which pumps lies and hate into the minds of the listeners on a daily basis


Privatization of public school and social security. Cutting of welfare programs, more tax cuts for the rich, no gun control, no regulations in corporations.... yeah, those policies aren't appealing to me.

Great, then you can be supportive of a government schools where they are trying to indoctrinate kids. I imagine you’d be quite opposed if the schools were teaching a republican value based system, wouldn’t you. But because they all seem to be pretty liberalized, you’re fine with it.

They are asking for cuts to some welfare programs, this is true, but there is a bit of waste in the programs, but I’ll digress as I’ve not really read up on the reasons why they are asking for cuts.

Gun control? We have lots of gun control..there are many regulations and laws on guns. If you buy a gun from a dealer, you have to go through a federal background check. Are you wanting to ban guns? Again, we have a process for changing the cotus. Pressure your congressmen to amend the cotus or get a convention of states and you can rewrite the 2A however you like.

In the meantime, if you are that adamant about gun control, you can start by encouraging all of your democrat friends to surrender their firearms to the local sheriffs office. Gotta start somewhere, might as well start in a place you have the most influence.


What more regulation would you like on corporations? Industry is already over regulated, hell we have regulations for regulations!

It proves my point you moron. Not even my impressionable young daughter is moved by social pressure

No, but it shows you are willing to exert social pressure…once again..as ive stated
 
If you are black and Republican, you are a fool. When people in the party you support do not believe you are a citizen of this country, it's time for you to find another party. It doesn't have to be the Democratic Party, join the Libertarian or the Green Party. At least they'll think you are a citizen.


All my black friends are Trump supporters and proud of it. Some of them said when they were young that they weren't going to be like one of those 60-year-old black men riding their bicycles around the neighborhood, that they were going to work hard, get out of the neighborhood and own a car. That's the difference between Republican and Democrat blacks. It's how they view life: Are you going to be an Uncle Tom, and resign yourself to your circumstances, or are you going to be one of the intelligent motivated ones and break out, away from the white leftwing plantation owners?
 
All my black friends are Trump supporters and proud of it. Some of them said when they were young that they weren't going to be like one of those 60-year-old black men riding their bicycles around the neighborhood, that they were going to work hard, get out of the neighborhood and own a car. That's the difference between Republican and Democrat blacks. It's how they view life: Are you going to be an Uncle Tom, and resign yourself to your circumstances, or are you going to be one of the intelligent motivated ones and break out, away from the white leftwing plantation owners?
If they are Trump supporters, they aren't proud. That's the difference between them and me. Another one is the fact that I've achieved. You make stupid assumptions while I know I'm better educated than them and you. I am a 63 year old black man and when I'm riding my bike around the neighborohood, it's for exercize. Unlike them, I achieved what I have without selling out.

You see white boy, this life is temporary. When you're gone, all you take with you is what you came into this world with. There are no left wing plantation owners. Blacks are leaders in the Democratic party. So let me know when a black Republican gets nominated for president.
 
There is not one MAGA that is a good American, they are completely hate based ignorant and they live on lies. If Jesus Came down and said that everything the Democrats say about Trump is True . They would say it is a lie and Jesus is a communist.
 
Come on people , we all know he is guilty we are the witnesses , we watched his every action online on
tv ,on video right up front in his a own words. The only person who isn't expected to see him as
innocent until proven guilty in court are the witnesses that watched him commit his crimes , and that
literally is everyone in this country. He is guilty as hell.
 

Not a single video is from a black democrat telling you that they don't vote republican because of social pressure. Those are black people on youtube telling everyone they vote Republican while trying to sell you the idea it's some taboo as they make youtube videos about it. :lol: Can't be very taboo if you're making youtube videos advertising it but you dumb dumbs don't know how to think critically. :lol:
 
Ok, what examples of racism have you personally experienced? Do you think that 90% of the black community has had experiences that would sour them on republicans? Really? 90%? Like I said before, with 35 million black Americans in the country, if that were the case, we’d see open and brazen examples of racism daily…yet most republicans don’t even think about race..until we run into forums like this…
This remains a stupid fucking strawman premise. I didn't say anyone had to have negative experiences with Republicans. I've experienced racism but I never bothered to ask anyone how they voted in the middle of it. I said we generally agree that you're trash people and that could just be from listening to what you mother fuckers say and advocate for.
Ok, and you think that the wealth gap is solely the fault of republicans?
I didn't say it had anything to do with Republicans you illiterate moron. I said it had to do with historical injustice. The Republicans just don't care about getting Black Americans justice.

And slavery is gone, every one has an equal vote now, so what remains is a policy to give smaller states some kind of voice in how our government operates. You also forget, each state has electoral votes based on the number of representatives and senators they have, so smaller states have smaller electoral votes. So in essence, it IS proportional, it’s just that, since republicans control a majority of states, all those little electoral votes add up.
If slavery is gone then why keep an electoral system designed to protect them? And we don't have an equal vote. An equal vote would be the popular vote. We have a weighted vote.
We do not live in a democracy, we live in a representative republic, it was never intended for majority rule. What you are suggesting is to take away any voice smaller states would have, and allow a handful of states to be the controlling interest in the entire country.
I know artisticratic slavers only intended for white men who owned property to vote but that really isn't a great argument for 2024. Maybe if your policies weren't rooted in protecting the foundations of a slave society more Black people would vote Republican.
However, the cotus that you hate so much gave us a way to change it. The amendment process or a convention of states. If you want to change things, get your legislators to start the process.
That means voting against Republicans who stand in the way of that change. Trust me, we know.
And how would they do that? If they passed a0 peoplea reparations bill, would you start voting Republican?
Maybe. Depends on what else they advocating for. I vote based on policy and issues and all the ones I care about Republicans are trash.
What are the democrats plans? Why are they dragging their feet? Hell, newsome has a reparations bill ready to go! I think Indiana does as well, what are they waiting for? You want to fault the right for not doing their part, when the left already has the bills waiting to be signed…and the democratic governors are dragging their feet.
I don't have any problem primarying democrats who aren't on board.
How long as there been a reparations commission in the house? Where are they at? What are their proposals?
I don't think we're going to get any serious shot at reparations until we demographically replace more white people.
We’ve been down this road. So you say you want the government to provide reparations, but you have no thoughts on what those reparations would look like.
Not any specific ones no. I don't write policy.
Also, I’ve agreed that black peoples have been wronged, but the question on the table seems to be, should we make every black person in America multi millionaires by giving them checks for millions of dollars, free homes, no taxes etc.. I think that’s not the right way to go about it…
I don't care if you agree that Black Americans were wronged. Your emotional support doesn't mean a fucking thing to me.
I’ve asked before and I’ll ask again, what do you think reparations should be?
I think they should be comprehensive in addressing systemic racism and inequality.
Sure we do…if you don’t work…you don’t make money…the harder you work, the more you make…the more you apply yourself, you get raises and climb the ladder..that seems like a merit based society to me.
We don't. Black people do work hard. The 10 to 1 wealth gap isn't because white people work ten times harder.
And yet again, you mischaracterize my thoughts on this. For some reason you seem to keep coming back to “you think blacks can’t think for themselves” which isn’t what I said, nor insinuated. I said that social pressure can affect how they vote, and we’ve seen examples of social pressure from IM2, and family history can influence people. How you grow up, what you are taught, what is expected of you, all play a part in how you do things, voting included. This affects all people, black and white. Nobody is immune from outside influence.
Can black people think for themselves or not guy? White people are also products of their upbringing. Everyone is. That isn't unique to Black people, moron. If you accept Black people can think for ourselves and then you must accept that we freely choose not to vote for Republicans.
Yeah, and we can see that you kind of just assume a lot of stuff. You seem to be in the group that anyone who disagrees with you is racist. Look at our discussion…I’ve not said anything racist, I’ve just given you my opinion based on things I see…but you can’t help yourself…everything HAS to be racist.
Nope. Not everything. You seem to be in that group of white people who claim we claim everything is racist just because we say we think you are.
Its ok..have your opinion..I hear these same tropes every time I turn on the progressive radio channel. Seems to be a fairly predictable pattern amongst leftists.
And your strategy to cope is to whine like a bitch about it? :dunno:
Thanks! There that social pressure…relatives voting for someone like Trump and you feel you need to razz them for it…you just admitted what I’ve been saying…social pressure!
The question isn't whether there is social pressure you moron, there is social pressure for everything. The question is whether it actually changes the way people vote and considering those two still vote Republican the answer seems to be no. I also get teased and poked fun at about stuff and guess what, I still enjoy it. My brothers and cousins used to tease me because i enjoyed scifi novels and Star Trek. Doesn't stop me from enjoying scifi novels or Star Trek. This is what I mean. You think Black people are so fucking fragile that any of this would make us intimidated to do things we wanted to do. That's pretty patronizing.
yep, the U.S. has a bad history and I’m at least glad you admit that both repubs and dems had a hand in that evil, but that was then, this is 2024..it’s not the same country.
Never said it was. I asked you what the Republicans policies are to address the inequalities caused by those previous injustices.
Show me states trying to prevent black people from voting, and I don’t mean your assumed ideas, I mean show me the legislation where they are trying to stop black peoples from voting? Oh, you mean voter ID? Purging voter rolls? That’s to make sure illegals are not being registered to vote..and has nothing to do with trying to prevent any legal eligible American citizen from voting.
Court: North Carolina Voter ID Law Targeted Black Voters

There is no large scale problem with voter fraud in this county. Every report details how miniscule it is. These are just Republican attempts to target Black voters.
Do they? I mean, the religious crowd certainly believes that being gay is a sin, but where are they attacking the lgbtq crowd? You mean trans people performing for young children wearing burlesque type clothing and dancing seductively? You mean pride parades where people are half naked..and sometimes actually naked when there are children there? Yeah..I think all people should be against that. You mean the lefts crazy desire to transition teenagers? Allowing them to make potentially life altering changes to their bodies? Adults allowing them to take hormones and puberty blockers and holding up natural development? Uh..yeah..how about we wait until they are of an age where they know what is going on with themselves. You do realize kids go through phases..right? Just because boy has a phase where he is interested in dolls doesn’t mean he’s gay..or thinks he’s a woman…
I'm fine that we don't agree. The question i have is why do you expect me to vote your way when we agree on nothing?
MLK birthday was Jan 15th, his holiday is the 3rd Monday on January so the date changes but it’s in January

A couple of states observe a confederate day later in the year…and whoever celebrates Robert e Lee day does it on January 19. So, the dates are not on his birthday.
Let's put aside for a moment that celebrating people who fought to own black people as property is hella fucked up and acknowledge that two of these fucked up Republican states do celebrate Confederate slavers the same day as MLK day. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/16/mlk-day-states-confederate-holidays-slavery

Why are these deplorable fucking people still celebrating slavers and the Confederacy? These are Republican states. If I recall my history correctly the Confederates were Democrats.

Of course you don’t, you care not to acknowledge the fact that the hate and division is mostly spread by your side. And the response was about the influence of liberal talk radio, which pumps lies and hate into the minds of the listeners on a daily basis
I'm more than happy to spread hate. People should hate some things. Like deplorable fucking cultures that idolize slavers. What's wrong with teaching people to hate murderers, rapists and slavers and the people who love and idolize them?
Great, then you can be supportive of a government schools where they are trying to indoctrinate kids. I imagine you’d be quite opposed if the schools were teaching a republican value based system, wouldn’t you. But because they all seem to be pretty liberalized, you’re fine with it.
Like the Republican value of idolizing dead Democrat slavers? Yeah, if you wanted to teach those deplorable values to my kid I'd have some objections.
They are asking for cuts to some welfare programs, this is true, but there is a bit of waste in the programs, but I’ll digress as I’ve not really read up on the reasons why they are asking for cuts.
So you're uninformed? Figures.
Gun control? We have lots of gun control..there are many regulations and laws on guns. If you buy a gun from a dealer, you have to go through a federal background check. Are you wanting to ban guns? Again, we have a process for changing the cotus. Pressure your congressmen to amend the cotus or get a convention of states and you can rewrite the 2A however you like.
That requires removing Republicans from office, not adding to them.
In the meantime, if you are that adamant about gun control, you can start by encouraging all of your democrat friends to surrender their firearms to the local sheriffs office. Gotta start somewhere, might as well start in a place you have the most influence.
I wasn't asking for your ignorant opinion my guy, you're the one here begging for black votes and so far I'm not seeing any reason to switch.
What more regulation would you like on corporations? Industry is already over regulated, hell we have regulations for regulations!
God damn you're uninformed. The Republican supreme court just gutted the federal government's ability impose regulations on businesses.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/10/nx-s1-4998861/supreme-court-chevron-doctrine
No, but it shows you are willing to exert social pressure…once again..as ive stated
And you've failed to show what affect, if any, this social pressure has.
 
Not a single video is from a black democrat telling you that they don't vote republican because of social pressure. Those are black people on youtube telling everyone they vote Republican while trying to sell you the idea it's some taboo as they make youtube videos about it. :lol: Can't be very taboo if you're making youtube videos advertising it but you dumb dumbs don't know how to think critically. :lol:
I said those videos were talking about black people cote democrat because of history…history that is passed down from generation to generation. One of them even talks about voting democrat as tribalistic practice (it’s how it’s always been done). I suggested social pressure in the other articles from the studies they did.
 
I said those videos were talking about black people cote democrat because of history…history that is passed down from generation to generation. One of them even talks about voting democrat as tribalistic practice (it’s how it’s always been done). I suggested social pressure in the other articles from the studies they did.
It seems like you're just desperate for any opinion that explain why 90% of black voters don't vote Republican beyond us simply not liking Republicans and Republican policies.
 
Most of these hate driven right wingers will be hard to change from their group that is so stupid that it is comical to a person of reason. These idiot would rather be a prince in a crowd of idiots then a nothing in the world of sanity. These hate based people were pulled out by Trump from under rocks ,where society put them to keep them away from our children. They have to be put back away from Good people of this country. Everyone knows these Bubbas in their neighborhood , society's rejects, People that are not good for the community or future of this country. Trump gave them a voice, a voice of hate and ugliness but the only voice they will ever have and because of that they won't give that up easily, as a nation we have to take that away from them , to protect our family friends our country and it's democracy.
 

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