The best thing libertarians can do right now is support Republicans

[Oddball]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

Yeah there was a time when a principled libertarian could have voted for the gop in Pres election on principle, rather than … well, at least he's not as bad as ….this guy. I knew people back in Wyo in 1980 who voted for Reagan on that basis. I'm not sure can vote for perpetual deficits and keep his principles. Personally I was never convinced Reagan gave a damn about deficits or the debt, but that's why I didn't vote for him. BUT, to be fair to the memory of the man, he was only advocating deficits because of Russia, and he believed (correctly btw) that the CIA overestimated Russia's gnp and ability to keep up with an arms race with the US, and our econ grew, and there's didn't, with the emergence of the technological advances in information processing. It may well be that if he'd had a true ideological heir in the gop, the gop would not have come to believe in tax cuts just to cut taxes and pretend they were defunding social programs which had popular voter support.

I remember that Reagan accepted the deficits as only a temporary measure, to get the economy rolling and to push the Soviets to the brink....But he was naive in thinking that the increased revenue to the treasury through increased tax receipts would be used to reel in the debt, instead of bing pissed away on more programs and expansion of bureaucracy, as the ruling class is addicted to.

Now it's just business as usual.

 

[dblack]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

Yeah there was a time when a principled libertarian could have voted for the gop in Pres election on principle, rather than … well, at least he's not as bad as ….this guy. I knew people back in Wyo in 1980 who voted for Reagan on that basis. I'm not sure can vote for perpetual deficits and keep his principles. Personally I was never convinced Reagan gave a damn about deficits or the debt, but that's why I didn't vote for him. BUT, to be fair to the memory of the man, he was only advocating deficits because of Russia, and he believed (correctly btw) that the CIA overestimated Russia's gnp and ability to keep up with an arms race with the US, and our econ grew, and there's didn't, with the emergence of the technological advances in information processing. It may well be that if he'd had a true ideological heir in the gop, the gop would not have come to believe in tax cuts just to cut taxes and pretend they were defunding social programs which had popular voter support.

I remember that Reagan accepted the deficits as only a temporary measure, to get the economy rolling and to push the Soviets to the brink....But he was naive in thinking that the increased revenue to the treasury through increased tax receipts would be used to reel in the debt, instead of bing pissed away on more programs and expansion of bureaucracy, as the ruling class is addicted to.

Now it's just business as usual.

Yeah. There are no temporary measures when it comes to government. That's what's so dangerous about this pandemic. That's why, even though I tacitly support emergencies measures to stop the spread (at least at the local level), I'm very wary of the whole thing. Dems are already using the pandemic to justify everything from socialized medicine to minimum wage.

 

[Pete7469]

I have been saying this for a long time......we need to vote out every democrat from office and get it to the point where the two parties are Republicans and Libertarians...that would be the rational party system here in the U.S......the democrats truly are the evil party....willing to use violence, and murder to get power.

I vehemently agree, although I think the evil hard left will dissolve into either the CPUSA or Green Party, the "moderates"will make the GOP the largest block. Those of us who actually value The COTUS as it was written and promote individual freedom can get the Libertarian Party more main stream.


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[Brain357]

Republicans are the commies. Trump is the debt and bailout president. He’s the leader in executive orders. He tries to tell companies who they can trade with and hits us with his tariff taxes.

 

[Pete7469]

I remember that Reagan accepted the deficits as only a temporary measure, to get the economy rolling and to push the Soviets to the brink....But he was naive in thinking that the increased revenue to the treasury through increased tax receipts would be used to reel in the debt, instead of bing pissed away on more programs and expansion of bureaucracy, as the ruling class is addicted to.

Now it's just business as usual.

Since I'm not an economist, and do not understand any of the nuances involved I've given up worry on the debt. I'm at a point where I wouldn't mind a collapse anyway, just because our gene pool would be purged of vacuous urban dwelling liberal rats if the dollar collapsed.



I recall being alarmed when Bush was blowing an extra $500 Billion a year, and downright irate when the meat puppet faggot doubled it to $1TRILLION after his bullshit promise to cut the debt in half. Now we've got Trump who is allowing congress to DOUBLE THAT RATE easily over a hyped up cold.

Seems to me debt is a bugaboo. Money is worth what people believe it to be. It's digits in a computer bank, based on little more than faith. The government could write us all a check for a million dollars, and if everyone plays along, we're all fuckin millionaires at the very least.


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[mdk]

Pass. Every election cycle I read threads trying to frighten me into voting aganist my principles. The duopoly and their duplicitous drones can get bent.

 

[Brain357]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

 

[kaz]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

Yeah there was a time when a principled libertarian could have voted for the gop in Pres election on principle, rather than … well, at least he's not as bad as ….this guy. I knew people back in Wyo in 1980 who voted for Reagan on that basis. I'm not sure can vote for perpetual deficits and keep his principles. Personally I was never convinced Reagan gave a damn about deficits or the debt, but that's why I didn't vote for him. BUT, to be fair to the memory of the man, he was only advocating deficits because of Russia, and he believed (correctly btw) that the CIA overestimated Russia's gnp and ability to keep up with an arms race with the US, and our econ grew, and there's didn't, with the emergence of the technological advances in information processing. It may well be that if he'd had a true ideological heir in the gop, the gop would not have come to believe in tax cuts just to cut taxes and pretend they were defunding social programs which had popular voter support.

I can't believe you say all that stupid shit and say you were alive in 1980.

Reagan never "advocated" deficits. O'Neill offered Reagan the deal that to support military spending, he was going to get social spending.

For sure Reagan accepted the deal and that deficits were not his priority. But to say he "advocated" them and to not even mention Tip O'Neill is yet again how Democrats suck at pretending to not be Democrats. You're just awful at it.

Reagan called the 3 for 1 deal the "worst mistake of his Presidency." Do you know what the 3 for 1 deal was? Do you need to use a lifeline and phone a Democrat?

 

[kaz]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

OMG, electing Joe You Ain't Black Biden will strike a blow for ... small government ...

You're not a mouse, you're a sheep. Or in your native language, baa, baa, baa, baa ...

 

[kaz]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

The Libertarian Party is tiny. There are many people who support small government. And the Libertarian Party is great at turning them off. You don't know what you're talking about. The Tea Party was based on people who are fiscally conservative and don't think government should really be involved in social issues and that we overuse our military. That's libertarian leaning already

Trump is not the Tea Party. He's not fiscally conservative. He's an authoritarian, the opposite of libertarian. If I voted for him, it would be a lie.

I agree he's not a tea partier, but where do you get authoritarian? Don't use talking points, use actual examples

Well, we could start with him sending in DHS to punish states that piss him off. Then, all the executive orders he's used to work around Congress. And his efforts to bully tech companies, or anyone else really, who won't kiss his ass. It also comes through in so many of his asinine comments where he assumes he can do anything he wants because he's the President. I don't know if those come from ignorance or malice, but it doesn't matter. He literally thinks, as President, he can just "go after" anyone or any group who opposes him. He's an authoritarian alright. He's in love with power.

Can you come down from 50K feet and be a little more specific? Actually, be a LOT more specific

 

[Brain357]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

OMG, electing Joe You Ain't Black Biden will strike a blow for ... small government ...

You're not a mouse, you're a sheep. Or in your native language, baa, baa, baa, baa ...

Joe is more small government than trump. Trump is all deficits and bailouts. He rules by executive order. Republicans will never move toward small government if socialist trump is rewarded.

 

[dblack]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

The Libertarian Party is tiny. There are many people who support small government. And the Libertarian Party is great at turning them off. You don't know what you're talking about. The Tea Party was based on people who are fiscally conservative and don't think government should really be involved in social issues and that we overuse our military. That's libertarian leaning already

Trump is not the Tea Party. He's not fiscally conservative. He's an authoritarian, the opposite of libertarian. If I voted for him, it would be a lie.

I agree he's not a tea partier, but where do you get authoritarian? Don't use talking points, use actual examples

Well, we could start with him sending in DHS to punish states that piss him off. Then, all the executive orders he's used to work around Congress. And his efforts to bully tech companies, or anyone else really, who won't kiss his ass. It also comes through in so many of his asinine comments where he assumes he can do anything he wants because he's the President. I don't know if those come from ignorance or malice, but it doesn't matter. He literally thinks, as President, he can just "go after" anyone or any group who opposes him. He's an authoritarian alright. He's in love with power.

Can you come down from 50K feet and be a little more specific? Actually, be a LOT more specific

I'm not gonna chase you around your denial bush. Address the above or concede.

 

[kaz]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

Yeah there was a time when a principled libertarian could have voted for the gop in Pres election on principle, rather than … well, at least he's not as bad as ….this guy. I knew people back in Wyo in 1980 who voted for Reagan on that basis. I'm not sure can vote for perpetual deficits and keep his principles. Personally I was never convinced Reagan gave a damn about deficits or the debt, but that's why I didn't vote for him. BUT, to be fair to the memory of the man, he was only advocating deficits because of Russia, and he believed (correctly btw) that the CIA overestimated Russia's gnp and ability to keep up with an arms race with the US, and our econ grew, and there's didn't, with the emergence of the technological advances in information processing. It may well be that if he'd had a true ideological heir in the gop, the gop would not have come to believe in tax cuts just to cut taxes and pretend they were defunding social programs which had popular voter support.

I remember that Reagan accepted the deficits as only a temporary measure, to get the economy rolling and to push the Soviets to the brink....But he was naive in thinking that the increased revenue to the treasury through increased tax receipts would be used to reel in the debt, instead of bing pissed away on more programs and expansion of bureaucracy, as the ruling class is addicted to.

Now it's just business as usual.

Again though, remember O'Neill wasn't going to give him the military spending he wanted to torpedo the Soviet economy without the social spending. But you're totally right about the spending. Tax revenues doubled under Reagan. Obviously the left lies about the tax cuts causing the deficits, it was the spending

 

[kaz]

Joe is more small government than trump

What a tool

 

[Brain357]

Joe is more small government than trump

What a tool

You trump cheerleaders have no clue. Huge deficits, bailouts, tariffs, executive orders.... not small government.

 

[BlueGin]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

Democrats are Marxists. They aren’t about “ small government”

 

[kaz]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

The Libertarian Party is tiny. There are many people who support small government. And the Libertarian Party is great at turning them off. You don't know what you're talking about. The Tea Party was based on people who are fiscally conservative and don't think government should really be involved in social issues and that we overuse our military. That's libertarian leaning already

Trump is not the Tea Party. He's not fiscally conservative. He's an authoritarian, the opposite of libertarian. If I voted for him, it would be a lie.

I agree he's not a tea partier, but where do you get authoritarian? Don't use talking points, use actual examples

Well, we could start with him sending in DHS to punish states that piss him off. Then, all the executive orders he's used to work around Congress. And his efforts to bully tech companies, or anyone else really, who won't kiss his ass. It also comes through in so many of his asinine comments where he assumes he can do anything he wants because he's the President. I don't know if those come from ignorance or malice, but it doesn't matter. He literally thinks, as President, he can just "go after" anyone or any group who opposes him. He's an authoritarian alright. He's in love with power.

Can you come down from 50K feet and be a little more specific? Actually, be a LOT more specific

I'm not gonna chase you around your denial bush. Address the above or concede.

I have nothing to deny or concede to, you didn't say anything.

No idea what your DHS shit meant. Most of Trump's executive orders were stripping regulation on businesses. And again I don't really know what you mean by bullying tech companies. They should not have legal liability exemptions. As a libertarian, why would you possibly support that? They are clearly content providers. That's fine. Free country, private business, they can do what they want. But they should be accountable to the law.

I don't this remotely reaching "authoritarian" as you claimed. You have nothing but Trump Derangement Syndrome

 

[kaz]

Joe is more small government than trump

What a tool

You trump cheerleaders have no clue. Huge deficits, bailouts, tariffs, executive orders.... not small government.

You said Joe Biden is for "smaller government." That was the standard I laughed at you for. And deservedly so. Cut the hyperbole, no one said the stupid crap you did.

So since you're voting for Biden, you're a "Biden cheerleader?" That's your standard?

Of course it's not, stop being a dick

 

[dblack]

No, the Republican haven't done anything to merit support. I'm not even going to try. But:

Democrats are

- No longer just a lesser evil. They are actual evil. They have taken race whoring to epic proportions. Race relations have done nothing but go down and it's been a clear Democrat strategy to accomplish that to get blacks to the polls to vote blue. That while they ramp up the electronic lynching of any black who tries not to be a Democrat to send a message to the rest of the blacks what will happen to them if they do the same

- Pushing the green new deal to get Marxism. The reality is we aren't technologically advanced enough yet to get off fossil fuels. Yet they want to spend trillions. And it's just a shallow marketing cover for Marxism. They are seriously pushing things like minimum income as "green"

- Turning our inner cities into violent turf. You can't even walk the streets anymore. Note too how even though there are NO Republicans involved in these inner city issues, Democrats try to use their own failures to draw votes

- Are just pushing endless Marxism, and for real. Not like the old days where they just ran as Marxists. They want single payer and government control over energy, financial services just to start


That while the Libertarian Party is now just a gag party

- Bob Barr, Gary Johnson and Gary Johnson? Three candidates in a row that weren't even libertarian

- Finally in 2020, we got Jo Jorgensen who is at least libertarian, but the Libertarian Party again had to prove it's just a gag party by picking Spike Cohen, the anarchist running mate of Vermin, a performance artist who wears a shoe as a hat and isn't even libertarian. The party can't be taken seriously at this point

I argued since circa 1990 thirty years ago that it really didn't matter if you didn't listen to the words and just looked at what they actually did. Now it matters. Not because the Republican have gotten any better, they haven't. But the Democrats have gone off the deep end. No more sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the parties are the same, they are not. And Democrats are to a point like despots and dictators that the have to be stopped.

Frankly if you can't vote Republican, at least vote for another third party until the Libertarian Party pulls its head out of its ass. Gone were the days of Harry Browne where we could vote for an actual libertarian. Badnarik wasn't bad either. But since then, it's sad

imo they should vote a libertarian. As I did in 16. I agree with the libertarians on social issues, but less so on economic … though I favor some form of budget balanced requirement. But I don't see with either party brings to the table in this election.

I never found Biden to be offensive. As a moderate dem he's more inclined to address deficts that the gop, which at this point in time has only an ideology that tax cuts spur growth …. which they did, but not to the degree the gop said they would, and they increased the deficit even while Trump spent more more more.

The Democrats want another $3.5 TRILLION in spending, most of it for Marxist ideology. Biden is promising $2 Trillion for green new deal. Most of it for socialist spending. The rest for technology that we aren't capable of yet. You're worried about deficits ... and Trump? You're just lying, that's insane.

And more to the point, my point is about way more than spending. The Democrats are bat shit crazy. We can't walk safely in the streets of Democrat cities anymore and they want to go national with that

Their Marxist take over didn’t happen overnight. People just ignored it. Now look at who runs our Schools, Big corporations ,Media , Entertainment etc...

I’m afraid you are preaching to the choir. Libertarians Will hopefully vote for Republican’s...but I doubt it.

They will just bitch about being ruled by Marxists later.

I think that's true for the hard core libertarians. They like to lose to feel smug and superior. I consider the majority of libertarians to already be in the Republican party. I think there are also a lot of libertarians like me who don't belong to any party but feel lost every time we look at both the Republican party and the Libertarian party.

I just think that the Democrat party has become virulently evil to the point I can't pretend the parties are the same anymore

I consider the majority of libertarians to be "in" the Libertarian Party, if they support a party at all. Libertarians who vote for Republicans are Republicans. They just don't want to admit it.

The Libertarian Party is tiny. There are many people who support small government. And the Libertarian Party is great at turning them off. You don't know what you're talking about. The Tea Party was based on people who are fiscally conservative and don't think government should really be involved in social issues and that we overuse our military. That's libertarian leaning already

Trump is not the Tea Party. He's not fiscally conservative. He's an authoritarian, the opposite of libertarian. If I voted for him, it would be a lie.

I agree he's not a tea partier, but where do you get authoritarian? Don't use talking points, use actual examples

Well, we could start with him sending in DHS to punish states that piss him off. Then, all the executive orders he's used to work around Congress. And his efforts to bully tech companies, or anyone else really, who won't kiss his ass. It also comes through in so many of his asinine comments where he assumes he can do anything he wants because he's the President. I don't know if those come from ignorance or malice, but it doesn't matter. He literally thinks, as President, he can just "go after" anyone or any group who opposes him. He's an authoritarian alright. He's in love with power.

Can you come down from 50K feet and be a little more specific? Actually, be a LOT more specific

I'm not gonna chase you around your denial bush. Address the above or concede.

I have nothing to deny or concede to, you didn't say anything.

Horseshit. You just don't wanna talk about it. I don't blame you.

 

[Brain357]

Any vote for republicans right now is a vote for big government. Only way to get a small government party back is to punish the repubs rather than reward. The Lincoln project knows this.

Democrats are Marxists. They aren’t about “ small government”

Trump is a Marxist.