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This remains a stupid ******* strawman premise. I didn't say anyone had to have negative experiences with Republicans. I've experienced racism but I never bothered to ask anyone how they voted in the middle of it. I said we generally agree that you're trash people and that could just be from listening to what you mother fuckers say and advocate for.
I didn't say it had anything to do with Republicans you illiterate moron. I said it had to do with historical injustice. The Republicans just don't care about getting Black Americans justice.
If slavery is gone then why keep an electoral system designed to protect them? And we don't have an equal vote. An equal vote would be the popular vote. We have a weighted vote.
I know artisticratic slavers only intended for white men who owned property to vote but that really isn't a great argument for 2024. Maybe if your policies weren't rooted in protecting the foundations of a slave society more Black people would vote Republican.
That means voting against Republicans who stand in the way of that change. Trust me, we know.
Maybe. Depends on what else they advocating for. I vote based on policy and issues and all the ones I care about Republicans are trash.
I don't have any problem primarying democrats who aren't on board.
I don't think we're going to get any serious shot at reparations until we demographically replace more white people.
Not any specific ones no. I don't write policy.
I don't care if you agree that Black Americans were wronged. Your emotional support doesn't mean a ******* thing to me.
I think they should be comprehensive in addressing systemic racism and inequality.
We don't. Black people do work hard. The 10 to 1 wealth gap isn't because white people work ten times harder.
Can black people think for themselves or not guy? White people are also products of their upbringing. Everyone is. That isn't unique to Black people, moron. If you accept Black people can think for ourselves and then you must accept that we freely choose not to vote for Republicans.
Nope. Not everything. You seem to be in that group of white people who claim we claim everything is racist just because we say we think you are.
And your strategy to cope is to whine like a ***** about it?
The question isn't whether there is social pressure you moron, there is social pressure for everything. The question is whether it actually changes the way people vote and considering those two still vote Republican the answer seems to be no. I also get teased and poked fun at about stuff and guess what, I still enjoy it. My brothers and cousins used to tease me because i enjoyed scifi novels and Star Trek. Doesn't stop me from enjoying scifi novels or Star Trek. This is what I mean. You think Black people are so ******* fragile that any of this would make us intimidated to do things we wanted to do. That's pretty patronizing.
Never said it was. I asked you what the Republicans policies are to address the inequalities caused by those previous injustices.
Court: North Carolina Voter ID Law Targeted Black Voters
There is no large scale problem with voter fraud in this county. Every report details how miniscule it is. These are just Republican attempts to target Black voters.
I'm fine that we don't agree. The question i have is why do you expect me to vote your way when we agree on nothing?
Let's put aside for a moment that celebrating people who fought to own black people as property is hella fucked up and acknowledge that two of these fucked up Republican states do celebrate Confederate slavers the same day as MLK day. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/16/mlk-day-states-confederate-holidays-slavery
Why are these deplorable ******* people still celebrating slavers and the Confederacy? These are Republican states. If I recall my history correctly the Confederates were Democrats.
I'm more than happy to spread hate. People should hate some things. Like deplorable ******* cultures that idolize slavers. What's wrong with teaching people to hate murderers, rapists and slavers and the people who love and idolize them?
Like the Republican value of idolizing dead Democrat slavers? Yeah, if you wanted to teach those deplorable values to my kid I'd have some objections.
So you're uninformed? Figures.
That requires removing Republicans from office, not adding to them.
I wasn't asking for your ignorant opinion my guy, you're the one here begging for black votes and so far I'm not seeing any reason to switch.
God damn you're uninformed. The Republican supreme court just gutted the federal government's ability impose regulations on businesses.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/10/nx-s1-4998861/supreme-court-chevron-doctrine
And you've failed to show what affect, if any, this social pressure has.
In a discussion about black people not voting for republicans because of the bad things they do…one would think you’d want to know what it is they did and who did it. As you suggest, you’ve had racist experiences but never bothered to find out their political leanings..so, how do you know they were republicans? If they weren’t, then doesn’t that kind of dismantle your reasoning for why blacks vote democrat? I mean, if your negative racial experiences may have also come from democrats…or do you just assume every racist experience is automatically a Republican?
Many don’t agree with reparations, which is apparently the only form of justice you are willing to accept. Some of them do approve of reparations though. Again, there are ways to solve the injustice other than handing out tens of millions of dollars to every black person in America…
Because the system also protects small states from having their voice completely drown out by larger states. Just because a state is small doesn’t mean they have to give up their voice…and the EC already accounts for that by giving smaller states fewer EC votes. But, those small states combined add up.
Also, be honest, would we even be talking about this if the majority vote always went Repub? I seriously doubt it. It would be at that point where dems would be just fine with the EC.
It’s 2024. Slavery ended a long time ago. What the policies meant back then are not what they mean today. Again, if we were actually in a democracy, you’d have a point, but we were not set up that way. And again, it actually IS proportional, it’s the reason why California gets 54 EC votes, and Wyoming gets 2.
Well, that’s what elections are about. However, until that point comes, we have what we have..
On a national level, maybe, but on a local level, maybe not. If some of these states start passing reparations bills, there might be some relief. However, if you are looking for a demographic shift, that could take awhile, as I think white people are still far and away the majority in the country. I think reparations would come quicker by trying to convert people to democrats.
well, youre certainly not going to change any hearts and minds with that attitude.
That’s about as vague an answer as you can get lol
Never said they didn’t work hard, but when understanding a merit based system, you are rewarded for you efforts, that’s a merit based system.
The 10-1 wealth gap was created by generational wealth and that is only in the hands of a few, but for some reason the like to average it out.
I read something the other day that said that the average white family has $250,000 in wealth or net worth…now, I know a few white folk…and none of them have a net worth of $250,000 lol, most of them are in debt up to their eyeballs..
You know there are a lot of poor white people right? Many more than there are poor black people, and that stands to reason, because there are more white peoples in the country, but it’s not like white folk are handed a golden ticket and just have money falling all around them. That 10-1 wealth gap is because, of the white folks that are rich, some of them are VERY rich, but most white people are just regular ordinary people trying to make it in life. Generational wealth didn’t happen to everyone…
Yes, they can, but you answer your own question with the very next statement:
I agree 100%, and I said as much in a previous reply. Nobody is immune from the influences around them. What I said was not intended to even hint that black people cant think for themselves, it was intended to say that how someone thinks is based a lot in the influences around them.
Look at it like this, if you are a black child who grows up in a black democrat household (most black homes appear to be democrat), then you are going to grow up hearing a lot of democrat themed conversations, you will hear a lot about history, slavery, how “the white man sticking it to the black man”, how Hillary is just such great person and how she and her democrat administration would have done a lot for the country. You’d hear a lot of pro democrat talk, and not so much pro republican talk, and probably a lot of things said against republicans…such as things you’ve said here, in this conversation.
That is influence, and those kids will likely grow up thinking and believing like their parents did, or those whom they have been around all their lives.
Once they get out on their own, then we have the democrat media who will continue to reinforce that type of thought process.
At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with black people being able to think for themselves, it’s just they will think what they do in relation to what they’ve been taught all their lives, or, in relation to the influences that have shaped their minds.
lol..you too? So that’s 3 of you now..please explain what makes you think I’m white. Is it
Because of my disagreements? Are you actually judging my ethnicity based on how to speak? That’s kind of….racist isn’t it? I mean, if a one tried to attribute something to a black person based on their views…you’d certainly say they were being racist.
As to the larger point you were making..yeah, that’s about the gist of it. There seem to be a lot of accusation of racism being thrown around, not just here, but in left wing media in general. It seems like every time something comes up, the first thing that is said is “it’s because of racism!” Case in point, the lady and the white dude in the store, where people in the left, and people here on this forum, without ANY context or knowledge of the situation, whatsoever, jumped to the racism claim straight away. When I pressed on the issue to explain how they deemed it was racism, nobody could provide any reason as to what made them think the white guy was being racist..or that it was even him that started the whole thing…but sure as the sun rises, because I challenged them on the issue, I was called a white guy I was called racist..a that. All I did was ask…what makes you think he was racist. Because I didn’t just jump to the same conclusion they did, that’s all it took for them to label me as racist.
So yeah, I’d say those if you on this forum and several that Iisten to on the radio seem to think..everything is racist. That’s not my fault that the left wing party, in general, are pushing a race based division strategy.
Not at all, I’ll just shake my head and wonder why, for a group of people who are trying to make gains in racial harmony, why they do their level best to push those away whom they are trying to create harmony with. I mean, you can’t complain that white people hate black people, the turn around and do things that make white people hate black people. That’s very counter productive.
Not me:
How Peer Pressure Affects Voting
Why some voters of color no longer support the Democratic Party.
scwomenlead.net
Peer Pressure Said To Inhibit Black Student Achievement
A study of student attitudes in a predominantly black Washington high school has added new evidence to support a theory currently under debate that sociological factors beyond discrimination may be contributing to poor minority achievement rates in school.
www.edweek.org
Sadly, peer pressure is an issue in the black community, starting in their youth.
again, it’s not me, it’s the multiple articles and studies I’ve linked to you now.
You never did watch the rest of that video I posted did you? The one that started with Stephen smith, but there was SO much more after that?
They appear to be the same for everyone. Increase jobs, increase opportunity. Pretty much following the cotus to provide the same thing for everyone. And again, I have to emphasize that, I personally, think more can be done, because i recognize the injustice and the impact, but since you don’t care about my “feelings” in the subject, I’ll just not expound on it.
Because there are things we should agree on, but because you want to look at everything through the lens of race, you ignore everything else. There are plenty of things we can agree on in the Republican Party, but can you separate general policy from your single minded focus on race issues? I’m not saying those aren’t important, but if that’s all you think about, there’s a lot of other things you miss.
I agree, we shouldn’t celebrate anything to do with slavery, but a handful of states recognize this as a holiday..but really, how many people actually celebrate it? I never even knew it was a thing til you brought it up.
Point is, that is not a “party position”..so using it as an argument to say “this is how republicans are” isn’t valid. Most republicans would say rise holidays are wrong, if the celebration of slavers is indeed what the are all about.
Those holidays are taught in schools? Where?
Yeah, at least I’ll admit when I’m not up on a subject.
I’m not begging for black votes, lol, all this started because i posted thoughts on why black peoe vote democrat like 90%.
You vote how you feel, I don’t care.
The Supreme Court ruling was about the previous laws that federal agencies could interpret law to make regulations. What this case appears to have done, is simply say that courts are the only ones who should be interpreting laws, not federal agencies.
It look like scotus was just clawing back the power of interpretation. It just means federal agencies will not able to Willy nillly interpret law to create regulation, they have to let the courts interpret the laws.
