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Curtis Emerson LeMay. He was an effective, nerveless and merciless war machine. Juggernaut.
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There is no objectivity here. Allegedly, Soviet generals fought with a strong enemy and the rest with a weak one. And under this one can write off all the failures, tragedies, like the Dubno tragedy, huge casualties and retreats in the first half of the war, and so on.Zhukov, Vasilevsky, Rokossovsky, Konev, Vatutin, Chernyakhovsky and more.
We can cite the names of talented generals from all countries, who participated in the war on both sides.
But only the soviet generals proved themselves from all sides, able to defend and attack in the fight against a very strong enemy. History has not given US the opportunity to learn the talent of american generals in the same conditions, because they entered into battlefield to fight already a weakened enemy, with his often secondary units, And by the way, when the germans in the Ardennes managed to assemble their first-class units for a short time at that moment... you know how it went.
So whether you like it or not, but objectively, soviet generals will be on the list of proven most talented generals during the Second World War in the first place.
This is not true. Tukhachevsky is not a military genius at all, it was he who was defeated in the war with Poland. This is # one .Kaganovich and Stalin on the eve of the war destroyed the professional officer army of Tukhachevsky, where there really was a competent officer staff, and returned the "people's" army under the commissar's command. This is one of the main reasons for the failures of 1941-43
He also lost the first phase of the war with Don. But his military talents, as a rule, were not denied even by the commissars. For a long time, the Bolsheviks did not have military specialists at all, and every officer who went over to their side was worth its weight in gold.Tukhachevsky is not a military genius at all, it was he who was defeated in the war with Poland
The bolsheviks did not destroy the army. The army was finally destroyed by Order No. 1 of the Provisional bourgeois government, right after February revolution, which basically abolished discipline in the army. After this order, the disintegration of the army, which had not seen any sense in this war even before, intensified many times. The bolsheviks after taking power had to create a new army from scratch. By the way, half of the officers of the tsarist time went to serve in the Red Army.A professional army is always more effective, but it was destroyed for fear of losing power. They paid for it with great sacrifices at the beginning of the war.
do not play the fool, we are talking about the officer army of TukhachevskyThe bolsheviks did not destroy the army. The army was finally destroyed by Order No. 1 of the Provisional bourgeois government, right after February revolution, which basically abolished discipline in the army. After this order, the disintegration of the army, which had not seen any sense in this war even before, intensified many times. The bolsheviks after taking power had to create a new army from scratch. By the way, half of the officers of the tsarist time went to serve in the Red Army.
It wasn't destroyed, it won the war by defeating forces of Europe . Second, Hitler wasn't afraid of losing power and was almost blown up by his generals, when war turned sour. Compare it with USSR.A professional army is always more effective, but it was destroyed for fear of losing power.
Isn't it good, that "army of Tukhachevsky" was destroyed? Without it you may speak german now. Of course if you have enough aryan blood in you...It was the commissar workers-peasants army, not the army of Tukhachevsky destroyed by Kaganovich, stop playing the fool.
Puller
....Gen. OP Smith..Korean War..he made MacArthur/etc look like the idiot he wasLet's make a list, independent of political convictions, who in the 20th century proved to be a talented, outstanding military specialist. This must be argued why.
For now, I am presenting the candidacy of Ahmad Shah Massoud. He won all battles against the Soviet troops, although the forces and resources of the USSR were much greater. Even Soviet generals, his enemies recognized his military talents.
If someone understands the warrior's science, you can discuss a specific strategy and tactics, that would be great.
MAcArthur was a fk up......he messed up in the Philippines and MASSIVELY fkd up in Korea ......Mattis
Patton
Rommel
McArthur
Yamamoto
Puller
Spruance
Zhukov
There's lots more but that's a decent start.
Mac was a fk up--see my previous postThere are two classes of American Generals in the 20th century. There are the grand strategists like MacArthur, Ike, Vandegrift and Halsey and then there are the combat Generals like Patton and Marines David M. Shoup and Lewis "Chesty" Puller.