The American Genocide of the Indians—Historical Facts and Real Evidence

[Mushroom]

The disease that a lot of white people brought over from Europe. Smallpox, Chicken pox, Gonorrhea, Mu

Well, those are not even "European diseases", as Smallpox originated in Asia. And Chickenpox is also believed to have originated there.

Great, Europeans brought Gonorrhea to the Americas. They also returned and brought Syphilis back to Europe. And HIV came out of Africa. Your point of that is what, exactly?

You know, that is what a "Virgin Field Epidemic" is, and has been seen on every part of the planet since humans first migrated out of Africa, and will continue to happen until the sun swallows the Earth. The only reason that those in the Americas were spared that was because of how long ago those two continents were isolated before humans crossed over. That created continent sized islands that had almost no bacteria or virus that could infect humans.

And one of the interesting little tidbits in evolution is varicella-zoster itself. That is the general name of the herpes virus that causes chickenpox. And the strain that mutated to create that disease only happened around 8,000 years ago. But the monkeys in the Americas have an even older strain, that dates to around 23 million years ago. But that strain did not make the evolutionary leap to humans, or we might have seen the reverse. Where an American disease wiped out million in Eurasia.

My ancestors who originally moved here got damned lucky. They crossed over to two continents that had been so isolated that there were almost no viral or bacteriological threats to them. And their low population densities tended to keep things that way. All the way up until they finally met those who had not been so lucky.

But here is the amazing thing about diseases. Those of us alive now are no more susceptible to diseases than Europeans are. We are the survivors, and have made the same adaptations that those in Europe did. After all, funny how nobody ever seems to want to mention that diseases from Asia killed over half of the population of Europe not all that long before they came to the Americas.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't feel 'special' being at the tip of the uninfectable.

 

[Mushroom]

The white people knew that they had some kind of sickness that was killing the Indian people.

Gee, nice claim. To bad it is contradictory to actual scientific history.

You are talking about a period of time roughly 4 centuries before the "Germ Theory" was even a thing. If you had gone and asked even the most learned in that era, they would have told you that diseases were primarily caused by bad air. And that was the universally accepted "Scientific Consensus" of what caused diseases at the time. Specifically, it is now known as the "Miasma Theory", and had been accepted for almost 2,000 years by that time. Both Hippocrates and Galen (@ 400 BCE) and Galen (@200 CE) talked about that in their writings, and there was no evidence to the contrary at that time.

Sorry, complete fail there. And remember, this was in an era where diseases were still regularly spreading throughout Europe. Where only a century before over 50 million died to Bubonic Plague in Europe. SO to a European arriving, seeing diseases spreading would have been seen as simply how things were. That was the norm in Europe, why would they think it anything different in the Americas?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

52ndStreet said: The white people knew that they had some kind of sickness that was killing the Indian people.


The white people knew no such thing for centuries.

 

[Mushroom]

The Indians were at war with each other before white people arrived.!? They were at war over the natural resources on the land, and the different Indian tribal beliefs.!? And Territorial disputes.

Oh, you really need to learn some REAL Indian History.

You might want to start with the implosion of the Mississippian Culture. Sadly it was all in the era of Pre-History for them, but we know from archaeology that it was a very violent period. Where the villages heavily fortified themselves, to a degree not found elsewhere in North America during that time period. Villages do not build the massive moat and palisades they had erected among almost every village without a damned good reason. And the tribes that fled that cultural implosion were among the most hostile on two continents.

Even the Aztecs were not as hostile to outsiders, other than their demand for blood sacrifices. And even then, they would sacrifice themselves as well as outsiders. And it was hardly unique, human sacrifice was common among the North American tribes also. Hell, the Pawnee were doing it into the middle of the 19th century.

SO yes, they were very much at war with each other, always had been. And had been doing it for so long that they had even evolved rules and rituals for conflicts.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There were no pacifists among indigenous peoples.

 

[Mack The Finger]

What do you think?

Over 500,000 million people we killed during the Civil War and most Native Americans fought for the south. Who care about now but a hand full of people and hslf of them are head cases. The USA has enough problems to worry about what is happened right now than to worry about back than.

 

[DudleySmith]

Over 500,000 million people we killed during the Civil War and most Native Americans fought for the south. Who care about now but a hand full of people and hslf of them are head cases. The USA has enough problems to worry about what is happened right now than to worry about back than.

It's about sniveling over the South not voting Democrat, is all. None of these gimps would have opposed slavery if they had been around back then, and none of them oppose it now, they just like to parrot their peer groups and pretend they acquire some moral authority or other because they oppose something long past like good little tools. They're just nuts,

 

[DudleySmith]

52ndStreet said: The white people knew that they had some kind of sickness that was killing the Indian people.


The white people knew no such thing for centuries.

Whites were dying of the same diseases, they just had a larger population by the Civil War era and thus more survivors and of course waves of immigration. West of the Mississippi the majority of settlers and gold rush mobs were foreign born.

 

[boevans]

It's about sniveling over the South not voting Democrat, is all. None of these gimps would have opposed slavery if they had been around back then, and none of them oppose it now, they just like to parrot their peer groups and pretend they acquire some moral authority or other because they oppose something long past like good little tools. They're just nuts,

Yer whining. None of that makes sense.

 

[surada]

LOL....the indians lost to a superior enemy,simple as that.
They'd have done the same if they were capable.
Indian history is full of wars,torture,slavery and every other manner of savagery you can think of.
No they weren't the noble indians the left tries to paint them as,they were savages plain and simple.

Leaders of the U.S. government at that time openly claimed that the skin of Indians could be peeled off to make tall boots,that Indians must be annihilated or driven to places that no one would go, that Indians had to be wiped out swiftly, and that only dead Indians are good Indians. American soldiers saw the slaughter of Indians as natural, even an honor, and would not rest until they were all killed. Similar hate rhetoric and atrocities abound, and are well documented in many Native American extermination monographs.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Leaders of the U.S. government at that time openly claimed that the skin of Indians could be peeled off to make tall boots,that Indians must be annihilated or driven to places that no one would go, that Indians had to be wiped out swiftly, and that only dead Indians are good Indians. American soldiers saw the slaughter of Indians as natural, even an honor, and would not rest until they were all killed. Similar hate rhetoric and atrocities abound, and are well documented in many Native American extermination monographs.

The Indians tried just as hard to wipe out the whites.

 

[surada]

The Indians tried just as hard to wipe out the whites.

Yep . They were here first.

 

[Hellbilly]

The Indians tried just as hard to wipe out the whites.

Whites drew first blood.

 

[Mushroom]

The Indians tried just as hard to wipe out the whites.

Actually, most tribes actually had rather peaceful relations with the Whites. This is especially true in the NE, and along the US-Canada border and down the West Coast. About the only tribes which were hostile were those that were formerly part of the Mississippian Culture, or those close to them. And they were almost universally hostile to anybody they ran across, white or other Indian tribes.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yep . They were here first.

No there were peoples here before they came. North America was settled by waves of immigrants over the centuries.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Whites drew first blood.

No, Indians wiped out Viking settlements.

 

[Mushroom]

No there were peoples here before they came. North America was settled by waves of immigrants over the centuries.

To be more accurate, over millennia.

The more we look, the farther back we see. Most once thought "Clovis People" were the first to arrive, and that they were wiped out by following groups (like Folsom). But now we know there were groups in the Americas even before Clovis. But more and more in the last decades, they have been locating older and older "Pre-Clovis" sites. Clovis dates to around 12 kya. But they have been finding some now dating all the way back to 18 kya.

Now to be clear, when talking about archaeological terms, "wiped out" does not mean "killed off". It means replaced. Just as iron and steel "wiped out" bronze for weapons and the cartridge "wiped out" muzzle loading muskets, once Clovis arrived, all older forms of stone points ended. And most likely not through violence, the other tribes simply picked it up because it was more efficient. Just as Folsom did not kill Clovis, they simply had an even better tip and soon everybody was copying that.

 

[DudleySmith]

Yer whining. None of that makes sense.

Nothing makes sense to idiots, so this cognitive problem of yours is the norm for deviants and commies.

 

[DudleySmith]

Leaders of the U.S. government at that time openly claimed that the skin of Indians could be peeled off to make tall boots,that Indians must be annihilated or driven to places that no one would go, that Indians had to be wiped out swiftly, and that only dead Indians are good Indians. American soldiers saw the slaughter of Indians as natural, even an honor, and would not rest until they were all killed. Similar hate rhetoric and atrocities abound, and are well documented in many Native American extermination monographs.

100's of years passed before whites had the power to do any such thing as wipe out indians, and by then many had already assimilated; white men took Indian brides on the frontiers and some became tribal members themselves. Most wars were results of indian raids and massacres of whites.