Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[alang1216]

Yes, it is the scholarly consensus is that Jesus did live. Why would you (and others) not want him to be God? I do understand the Jewish perspective that God, being infinite, cannot be human and their great care not to worship an idol. There is still the question that if God can present himself as a burning bush, why brush aside God presenting himself as human.

But I am more curious about the simpler question, which perhaps can be discussed by non-believers completing this sentence: I don't want Jesus to be God because ______________ . What is it to a non-believer whether or not Jesus is divine?

It was never a question of 'want', it was always a question of what was the reality. I want unicorns to be real but that doesn't mean they are.

 

[Meriweather]

It was never a question of 'want', it was always a question of what was the reality. I want unicorns to be real but that doesn't mean they are.

The reason I find this hard to accept is due to the reality of Seek and you shall find. You readily accept and agree with the scholar that says the Biblical accounts of Christ's death and resurrect don't necessarily mean it happened; and just as readily dismiss the work done by the atheist attorney that says the Biblical testimony rings true.

I've never wanted unicorns, fairies, elves, etc. to exist, so I don't know what it is like to want something that doesn't exist to exist. The closest I have come to that as a child was to pretend a tree branch was my trusty steed. Except, I did always know I was pretending. I used to pretend I was a Cherokee as well, and again, I always knew I was pretending.

 

[ChristisKing]

 

[alang1216]

The reason I find this hard to accept is due to the reality of Seek and you shall find. You readily accept and agree with the scholar that says the Biblical accounts of Christ's death and resurrect don't necessarily mean it happened; and just as readily dismiss the work done by the atheist attorney that says the Biblical testimony rings true.

I've never wanted unicorns, fairies, elves, etc. to exist, so I don't know what it is like to want something that doesn't exist to exist. The closest I have come to that as a child was to pretend a tree branch was my trusty steed. Except, I did always know I was pretending. I used to pretend I was a Cherokee as well, and again, I always knew I was pretending.

If someone wanted unicorns to exist, do you think they would be successful in finding one should they choose to seek one?

 

[Meriweather]

If someone wanted unicorns to exist, do you think they would be successful in finding one should they choose to seek one?

Since you are the one who want non-existent unicorns to exist, you tell me. The question I have for you is if a great many people assure you of the existence of God, why would you choose not to seek?

 

[BreezeWood]

It's pretty simple actually. I REALLY want to see the atheists response to this question.

funny how desert dwellers make themselves believe only they believe the 1st century events and jesus actually occurred.

where are the statues, clay reliefs and etchings of jesus during those events that prove their posterity as depicted by the 4th century christian bible - as proof for the supernatural event as their phony resurrection or accounts of their rearrest by the roman army that would have been first and foremost had they survived.

where in their bible does it explain the reason for the crucifixion they today do not blame on those events repudiation of judaism as the false moses commandments - or the liberation theology, self determination jesus and those people gave their lives for.

 

[BreezeWood]

The question I have for you is if a great many people assure you of the existence of God, why would you choose not to seek?

they are politically and self centered in their motivation using jesus for their own purposes than the true events of self determination than servitude and denial of the desert religions that did occur they try and obscure.

 

[luiza]

There is still the question that if God can present himself as a burning bush

So it definitely was not some UFO/UAP landing and Enki stepping out with a few sheets of pre- written instructions .

There's a relief .

 

[alang1216]

Since you are the one who want non-existent unicorns to exist, you tell me.

I do think that you find what you seek. If I sought God, I'd find God, if I sought unicorns, I'd find unicorns. Would that make either real? I seek truth.

The question I have for you is if a great many people assure you of the existence of God, why would you choose not to seek?

If sought God 2,000 years ago, I'd have found Zeus/Jupiter. If I sought today, I might find Jesus but equally likely I'd find Allah.

 

[Meriweather]

I do think that you find what you seek. If I sought God, I'd find God, if I sought unicorns, I'd find unicorns. Would that make either real? I seek truth.

Then prove it. Go out and find a unicorn. Keep in mind, one cannot find what does not exist. Before you start, you may want to ask, historically, how many people, in how many nations, have come upon unicorns. As a child, did you ever pretend, when at play? My grandfather once gave us an empty refrigerator box. Seven us had a grand time pretending it was a rocket ship taking us all over the galaxy. Yes, we found a rocket ship. Yes, we found all sorts of things on our space adventures. But all seven us knew it was pretend. You didn't have similar experiences, discovering what you wanted in a let's pretend world? If you never learned to distinguish between pretend and reality, it may explain your difficulty with God?

 

[Meriweather]

If sought God 2,000 years ago, I'd have found Zeus/Jupiter. If I sought today, I might find Jesus but equally likely I'd find Allah.

First, 'Allah' is God, Jehovah, Yahweh. It's the same foundation - One God, the God of Abraham.

Zeus/Jupiter has a different foundation. But I may get your point. In a search for God, you expect to fail? Alternately, you are truly hoping God does not exist? Another possibility might be the dread that if you came face-to-face with God, you could not be who you want to be, doing what you want to do--you imagine you would have to be who God wants you to be, doing what God wants you to do? On that point I can reassure you.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

If someone wanted unicorns to exist, do you think they would be successful in finding one should they choose to seek one?

But the fairytale storybook says it's true!

 

[alang1216]

Then prove it. Go out and find a unicorn. Keep in mind, one cannot find what does not exist. Before you start, you may want to ask, historically, how many people, in how many nations, have come upon unicorns.

Since I don't believe unicorns exist, it'd be insincere to seek one. Same with God. Feel free to replace 'unicorn' with 'ghost', 'angel', 'alien', etc.

As a child, did you ever pretend, when at play? My grandfather once gave us an empty refrigerator box. Seven us had a grand time pretending it was a rocket ship taking us all over the galaxy. Yes, we found a rocket ship. Yes, we found all sorts of things on our space adventures. But all seven us knew it was pretend. You didn't have similar experiences, discovering what you wanted in a let's pretend world? If you never learned to distinguish between pretend and reality, it may explain your difficulty with God?

If you never learned to distinguish between wishes and reality, it may explain your acceptance of God.

 

[alang1216]

First, 'Allah' is God, Jehovah, Yahweh. It's the same foundation - One God, the God of Abraham.

One God, many faces. Which face is the right one?

Zeus/Jupiter has a different foundation. But I may get your point. In a search for God, you expect to fail? Alternately, you are truly hoping God does not exist? Another possibility might be the dread that if you came face-to-face with God, you could not be who you want to be, doing what you want to do--you imagine you would have to be who God wants you to be, doing what God wants you to do? On that point I can reassure you.

I actually hope God does exist and I get to meet him. I have some serious questions for him.

 

[Meriweather]

If you never learned to distinguish between wishes and reality, it may explain your acceptance of God.

When one is from a family of ten, the difference between wishes and reality is as clear as light and darkness. Why? Growing up, did you have trouble distinguishing wishes from reality?

 

[Meriweather]

it may explain your acceptance of God.

You don't get it. I know a real experience of God as I have had real experiences. They are much different from wishing God would make himself known. You don't believe in God, therefore you don't/can't believe I have had experiences of God. Shrug. All I want is for you to know that IF you want to find God and know the truth, seek. I am beginning to believe you have no interested in knowing the truth, that you only want verification of your own non-belief. And, that is what is not possible. (Can't prove a negative and all of that.)

 

[Meriweather]

One God, many faces. Which face is the right one?

How many faces do you have? Which one is the right one?

I actually hope God does exist and I get to meet him. I have some serious questions for him.

This may well be your obstacle to 'seek and you shall find'. You want to question God. As a child, I did not have that hang-up. I simply wanted to know Him.

 

[alang1216]

When one is from a family of ten, the difference between wishes and reality is as clear as light and darkness. Why? Growing up, did you have trouble distinguishing wishes from reality?

Don't we all? Did you not believe in Santa Claus?

 

[alang1216]

You don't get it. I know a real experience of God as I have had real experiences. They are much different from wishing God would make himself known. You don't believe in God, therefore you don't/can't believe I have had experiences of God. Shrug. All I want is for you to know that IF you want to find God and know the truth, seek. I am beginning to believe you have no interested in knowing the truth, that you only want verification of your own non-belief. And, that is what is not possible. (Can't prove a negative and all of that.)

I'm sure you honestly believe you had a real experience of God but I doubt there was a burning bush or any other physical evidence. I also believe the Son of Sam was honest when he claimed he was told to kill by his neighbor's dog. (I guess he got it backwards.)

 

[alang1216]

How many faces do you have? Which one is the right one?

Hopefully less than two.