The 4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible -- Essentially Romans 1.20

[Parture]

Science teaches God exists because nature could not always have existed nor start up from nothing. How simple! Even a 6 year old understands this on some remote island, so you are without excuse.

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

What went on for 1 billion years before the big bang that created our universe?

Maybe there is more out there beyond our universe.

Why would you have to have already happened? Your time is here and now. When you die that's it. Just like when the first single cell organism that inhabited this planet died, that's it for him. Life might have come to earth from a comet. DNA and proteins are in comets. Or the life might have come from mars. There may have been life on mars millions of years before life on earth. All this is very possible. Not fact but possible. We didn't know everything when we made up god. Time to let it go.

Since everything comes from stars, life ultimately came to earth from a star. But not our star. A much older star. One that died. Maybe even multiple stars. Stars that died a long time before our solar system formed. Things might have lived around those stars. They have since died. They will never exist again. In 1 billion years our planet will be gone but other planets in other universes will be forming and they will live and die and black holes might have something to do with it. We don't know. What we do know is your religion is just another religion.

Nothing lives forever except you and your Christian relatives and friends in heaven, huh? I see. And I can join you if I just believe YOU?

And believing YOU is gods test? LOL

You are confusing yourself. You said you don't believe in infinite regress now you do? Which is it?

 

[sealybobo]

It is true that if we were born on an island and never taught about god we humans might repeat our ancestors mistake by thinking we are the center of the universe and that everything revolves around us and so we must be special. And everything that we can't explain must be god.

But then teach them science and they might not come up with the same conclusion.

You can't teach someone who already believes in god the scientific reasons why god doesn't exist because they're already brainwashed but if you teach someone science first its a lot harder to convince them that god is obvious.

Science teaches God exists because nature could not always have existed nor start up from nothing. How simple! Even a 6 year old understands this on some remote island, so you are without excuse.

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

 

[sealybobo]

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

What went on for 1 billion years before the big bang that created our universe?

Maybe there is more out there beyond our universe.

Why would you have to have already happened? Your time is here and now. When you die that's it. Just like when the first single cell organism that inhabited this planet died, that's it for him. Life might have come to earth from a comet. DNA and proteins are in comets. Or the life might have come from mars. There may have been life on mars millions of years before life on earth. All this is very possible. Not fact but possible. We didn't know everything when we made up god. Time to let it go.

Since everything comes from stars, life ultimately came to earth from a star. But not our star. A much older star. One that died. Maybe even multiple stars. Stars that died a long time before our solar system formed. Things might have lived around those stars. They have since died. They will never exist again. In 1 billion years our planet will be gone but other planets in other universes will be forming and they will live and die and black holes might have something to do with it. We don't know. What we do know is your religion is just another religion.

Nothing lives forever except you and your Christian relatives and friends in heaven, huh? I see. And I can join you if I just believe YOU?

And believing YOU is gods test? LOL

You are confusing yourself. You said you don't believe in infinite regress now you do? Which is it?

When stuck, just keep repeating your talking point. Eventually your opponent will give up and move on.

 

[Parture]

Science teaches God exists because nature could not always have existed nor start up from nothing. How simple! Even a 6 year old understands this on some remote island, so you are without excuse.

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

That violates the laws of thermodynamics claiming the universe came from nothing.

 

[sealybobo]

It is true that if we were born on an island and never taught about god we humans might repeat our ancestors mistake by thinking we are the center of the universe and that everything revolves around us and so we must be special. And everything that we can't explain must be god.

But then teach them science and they might not come up with the same conclusion.

You can't teach someone who already believes in god the scientific reasons why god doesn't exist because they're already brainwashed but if you teach someone science first its a lot harder to convince them that god is obvious.

Science teaches God exists because nature could not always have existed nor start up from nothing. How simple! Even a 6 year old understands this on some remote island, so you are without excuse.

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

 

[Parture]

Science teaches God exists because nature could not always have existed nor start up from nothing. How simple! Even a 6 year old understands this on some remote island, so you are without excuse.

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

 

[Hollie]

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

Another Parture'ism.

 

[Parture]

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

Another Parture'ism.

That's doesn't sound like an argument just hostility.

 

[sealybobo]

Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?

A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.

Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

That violates the laws of thermodynamics claiming the universe came from nothing.

What caused the Big Bang itself? For many years, cosmologists have relied on the idea that the universe formed spontaneously, that the Big Bang was the result of quantum fluctuations in which the Universe came into existence from nothing.

That’s plausible, given what we know about quantum mechanics. But physicists really need more — a mathematical proof to give the idea flesh.

These guys have come up with the first rigorous proof that the Big Bang could indeed have occurred spontaneously because of quantum fluctuations.

A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing The Physics arXiv Blog Medium

 

[Parture]

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

That violates the laws of thermodynamics claiming the universe came from nothing.

What caused the Big Bang itself? For many years, cosmologists have relied on the idea that the universe formed spontaneously, that the Big Bang was the result of quantum fluctuations in which the Universe came into existence from nothing.

That’s plausible, given what we know about quantum mechanics. But physicists really need more — a mathematical proof to give the idea flesh.

These guys have come up with the first rigorous proof that the Big Bang could indeed have occurred spontaneously because of quantum fluctuations.

A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing The Physics arXiv Blog Medium

That which does not exist can't cause anything unless of course you are insane.

 

[sealybobo]

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

Another Parture'ism.

I'd rather accept a scientific theory that I don't love than to believe a Muslim Jew or Christian's ancient stories of yore.

 

[sealybobo]

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

That violates the laws of thermodynamics claiming the universe came from nothing.

What caused the Big Bang itself? For many years, cosmologists have relied on the idea that the universe formed spontaneously, that the Big Bang was the result of quantum fluctuations in which the Universe came into existence from nothing.

That’s plausible, given what we know about quantum mechanics. But physicists really need more — a mathematical proof to give the idea flesh.

These guys have come up with the first rigorous proof that the Big Bang could indeed have occurred spontaneously because of quantum fluctuations.

A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing The Physics arXiv Blog Medium

That which does not exist can't cause anything unless of course you are insane.

Not nothing as in zero. But nothing as in completely random.

Trust me Parture, these scientists are much smarter than you so maybe you aren't evolved enough to wake up from the brainwashing. Maybe your grandkids will be too smart for it god willing. OOPS! See how pervasive the idea is?

 

[Parture]

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

Another Parture'ism.

I'd rather accept a scientific theory that I don't love than to believe a Muslim Jew or Christian's ancient stories of yore.

You don't love scientific evidence because it proves God exists.

 

[BULLDOG]

You keep repeating the same thing in hopes that eventually people will believe it. However, you can't explain why me being here now does not disprove your little theory. When exactly do you say I should have existed in the past? Was there a specific point when I should have existed before? If so, why at that point? Why not 1 year after that point? 10 years? 100? 1000? I'm open to reasonable answers, so convince me.

Your little theory of infinite regress is proven false as was said because you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

Then it should be easy for you to answer the questions.

It should be easy for you to accept that if you had an eternity to come into being before now, you should have already happened. You don't need to know all things to know this then. Otherwise, you are claiming you need to be God to know for sure, but that is illogical since obviously you are not all-knowing as only God can be.

Ramble much?

The cosmos has always bee. And will always be. You your planet sun and galaxy and every other sun you see only live once. The debree left after our sun dies might get recycled one day but just because the cosmos has always existed doesn't mean our sun and planet must have existed before. Maybe you can explain why you think that and we can help you see the holes in your theory

My guess is that parture is one of a few high school pranksters who are on their Mom's computer, posting these silly messages.

Either that, or a religious nut who needs to believe that stuff so he doesn't feel so inadequate.

 

[Parture]

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

That violates the laws of thermodynamics claiming the universe came from nothing.

What caused the Big Bang itself? For many years, cosmologists have relied on the idea that the universe formed spontaneously, that the Big Bang was the result of quantum fluctuations in which the Universe came into existence from nothing.

That’s plausible, given what we know about quantum mechanics. But physicists really need more — a mathematical proof to give the idea flesh.

These guys have come up with the first rigorous proof that the Big Bang could indeed have occurred spontaneously because of quantum fluctuations.

A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing The Physics arXiv Blog Medium

That which does not exist can't cause anything unless of course you are insane.

Not nothing as in zero. But nothing as in completely random.

Trust me Parture, these scientists are much smarter than you so maybe you aren't evolved enough to wake up from the brainwashing. Maybe your grandkids will be too smart for it god willing. OOPS! See how pervasive the idea is?

That which is random would still has a cause. But who says something is random? You?

 

[Parture]

Your little theory of infinite regress is proven false as was said because you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

Then it should be easy for you to answer the questions.

It should be easy for you to accept that if you had an eternity to come into being before now, you should have already happened. You don't need to know all things to know this then. Otherwise, you are claiming you need to be God to know for sure, but that is illogical since obviously you are not all-knowing as only God can be.

Ramble much?

The cosmos has always bee. And will always be. You your planet sun and galaxy and every other sun you see only live once. The debree left after our sun dies might get recycled one day but just because the cosmos has always existed doesn't mean our sun and planet must have existed before. Maybe you can explain why you think that and we can help you see the holes in your theory

My guess is that parture is one of a few high school pranksters who are on their Mom's computer, posting these silly messages.

Either that, or a religious nut who needs to believe that stuff so he doesn't feel so inadequate.

Your hostility to God is due to your independency just like Adam at the fall.

 

[sealybobo]

Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.

A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.

God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

Another Parture'ism.

An ancient Greek realized something 2500 years ago. He had this tool where you dunk it in water and it fills up with water and then you put your thumb on the top and the water doesn't come out of the holes but when you remove your thumb the water comes rushing out. What was stopping the water from coming out? Air. So air is something but I'm sure Parture would say it is just empty space. In other words nothing. Nothing is something.

 

[BULLDOG]

You keep repeating the same thing in hopes that eventually people will believe it. However, you can't explain why me being here now does not disprove your little theory. When exactly do you say I should have existed in the past? Was there a specific point when I should have existed before? If so, why at that point? Why not 1 year after that point? 10 years? 100? 1000? I'm open to reasonable answers, so convince me.

Your little theory of infinite regress is proven false as was said because you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

Then it should be easy for you to answer the questions.

It should be easy for you to accept that if you had an eternity to come into being before now, you should have already happened. You don't need to know all things to know this then. Otherwise, you are claiming you need to be God to know for sure, but that is illogical since obviously you are not all-knowing as only God can be.

Ramble much?

The cosmos has always bee. And will always be. You your planet sun and galaxy and every other sun you see only live once. The debree left after our sun dies might get recycled one day but just because the cosmos has always existed doesn't mean our sun and planet must have existed before. Maybe you can explain why you think that and we can help you see the holes in your theory

The cosmos is a bee? That's weird.

Wow....You know that was a simple typo, yet you chose to make a disingenuous remark. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't have done that.

 

[Parture]

Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.

The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?

"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan

Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.

Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods

In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.

I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.

Ok, I've done a little more research. I read this:
"But if space-time goes on forever, then it must start repeating at some point, because there are a finite number of ways particles can be arranged in space and time. So if you look far enough, you would encounter another version of you in fact, infinite versions of you. Some of these twins will be doing exactly what you're doing right now, while others will have worn a different sweater this morning, and still others will have made vastly different career and life choices."

I'll be honest I have never liked this theory but assumed much smarter men than me have made this argument so it must be possible. I've seen no rebuttal as of yet from the scientific community why this can't be true. So I'll accept that it is possible but I am not convinced. I guess infinite regress might actually be possible if the universe was eternal.

So what's your problem with that? Why couldn't there be a number or infinite number of you in the multiverse? Why couldn't you have existed before or why is it impossible that other you's live in different universes? Fact is, they are just as possible in fact more possible than the story that god visited your uneducated superstitious ancestors and told them the cockameme stories you're telling us.

The you that you are now is the only you that you can be so if you were suppose to happen before now that would be the only you that you could be. Different time is not the same you.

Another Parture'ism.

An ancient Greek realized something 2500 years ago. He had this tool where you dunk it in water and it fills up with water and then you put your thumb on the top and the water doesn't come out of the holes but when you remove your thumb the water comes rushing out. What was stopping the water from coming out? Air. So air is something but I'm sure Parture would say it is just empty space. In other words nothing. Nothing is something.

Empty space is not nothing. It has particles.

 

[sealybobo]

Not that you will take the time to understand why you are wrong, but

Nothing explores science at the very limits of human perception, where we now understand the deepest mysteries of the universe lie. What is nothing? The most profound insight about reality that humanity has ever made. Everything came from nothing. The quantum world of the super-small shaped the vast universe we inhabit today.

And even if you get it, you'll just say god did it. So carry on.

Everything and Nothing - Nothing

That violates the laws of thermodynamics claiming the universe came from nothing.

What caused the Big Bang itself? For many years, cosmologists have relied on the idea that the universe formed spontaneously, that the Big Bang was the result of quantum fluctuations in which the Universe came into existence from nothing.

That’s plausible, given what we know about quantum mechanics. But physicists really need more — a mathematical proof to give the idea flesh.

These guys have come up with the first rigorous proof that the Big Bang could indeed have occurred spontaneously because of quantum fluctuations.

A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing The Physics arXiv Blog Medium

That which does not exist can't cause anything unless of course you are insane.

Not nothing as in zero. But nothing as in completely random.

Trust me Parture, these scientists are much smarter than you so maybe you aren't evolved enough to wake up from the brainwashing. Maybe your grandkids will be too smart for it god willing. OOPS! See how pervasive the idea is?

That which is random would still has a cause. But who says something is random? You?

A spark set off a gas explosion in my home. Who caused this, the devil?