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You are confusing yourself. You said you don't believe in infinite regress now you do? Which is it?I agree the infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all, so we can rebuke any ideas of infinite regress. Therefore, since infinite regress is false, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God.Science does know what was before the big bang, for it could not have stared from nothing, nor always have existed.Science doesn't know what was before the big bang yet you do?Science teaches God exists because nature could not always have existed nor start up from nothing. How simple! Even a 6 year old understands this on some remote island, so you are without excuse.
A 6 year old that doesn't understand science says something can come from nothing. And maybe our universe that didn't exist before the big bang came out of a black hole from another universe that died before ours was started. No infinite regress needed. Or maybe the universe next to ours that dies 14 billion years ago became our universe. All the creatures that lived there and then will never live again.
Or a god that cares about you but not any other animals built it all for you
A 6 year old can understand science so says something can't come from nothing. Whether black holes or not, cause and effect remain intact.
God cares about His entire creation. He even cares for you even though you live in fantasy land of infinite regress.
Finally I am near a computer and not on my smart phone.
The infinite regress argument is not based on any evidence at all. This entire argument is just speculation about beings which have never had any evidence to even mildly verify their mere existence. And we have only begun to understand who we are and where we came from. But even if we were no closer to solving the problem today than we were 20 years ago, there would still be no reason to make the god assumption. The god hypothesis is stale, no evidence for the Prime Mover or Uncaused Cause has been discovered since the first incarnations of the argument, which date all the way back to Aristotle. Several millennia should have been ample time. It's time to let go of our antiquated fantasies.
In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. Yet you guys say something can't come from nothing I thought?
"If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
-Carl Sagan
Here is a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss called 'A Universe from Nothing', which he explains some mechanisms by which the universe itself could be uncaused. Unlike the theistic speculations, these are actually based on observation, and testable science.
Undeniably Atheist The Infinite Regress of Gods
In fact, something can come from nothing and we are able to observe it in the form of virtual particles and quantum vacuum fluctuations. They explain why the early universe lacked uniformity and provided the seeds for the emergence of structure. These quantum phenomena are also causeless in the sense that they are objectively and irreducibly random, a fact confirmed by tests of non-local realism and Bell’s Theorem.
What went on for 1 billion years before the big bang that created our universe?
Maybe there is more out there beyond our universe.
Why would you have to have already happened? Your time is here and now. When you die that's it. Just like when the first single cell organism that inhabited this planet died, that's it for him. Life might have come to earth from a comet. DNA and proteins are in comets. Or the life might have come from mars. There may have been life on mars millions of years before life on earth. All this is very possible. Not fact but possible. We didn't know everything when we made up god. Time to let it go.
Since everything comes from stars, life ultimately came to earth from a star. But not our star. A much older star. One that died. Maybe even multiple stars. Stars that died a long time before our solar system formed. Things might have lived around those stars. They have since died. They will never exist again. In 1 billion years our planet will be gone but other planets in other universes will be forming and they will live and die and black holes might have something to do with it. We don't know. What we do know is your religion is just another religion.
Nothing lives forever except you and your Christian relatives and friends in heaven, huh? I see. And I can join you if I just believe YOU?
And believing YOU is gods test? LOL