Jan. 6th, The Law, and Nancy Pelosi's Dereliction of Duty

[Delldude]

Please post the law that says Pelosi must declare the emergency.

It's an unwritten called 'The shit hit the fan rule'.

It was an unlawful protest in a restricted area. Flash bangs mean go home. It does not mean start punching police.

Your only problem here is the firing on a peaceful crowd didn't happen until well after 'hooligans' breached the fence at the lower end of the grounds.

One of them was Ryan Samsel, a MAGA faithful and violent thug, and was convicted earlier this year in a bench trial.

Is that the same Ryan Samuel who went to the USCP officers aid with other MAGA and provided help and comfort along with other USCP?

Funny how so many people FROM that rally ended attacking police and joining in that riot huh?

Riot? I thought it was an insurrection.

The attack would not have occurred if Trump had not called his mob of supporters to DC and sent them to the Capitol.

It was a rally, among some dozen or so others that day.

I quoted the law you posted. It says the Capitol Police Board is authorized to call up the national guard.

Not directly.

Regardless, Pelosi worked with the mayor to get the national guard deployed...

How about went through COC to get NG deployed.

Sund couldn't call for the National Guard. The Capitol Police Board could have.

CPB are the ones who tell him to make the call.

 

[Delldude]

And Trump is ALWAYS in the COC.

Not in deployment of NG troops in DC as militia.

 

[Lesh]

Intelligence estimates weren’t updated and the threat of violence was thought to be rather low. The violent rhetoric noted online was felt to be aspirational. If you follow right wing internet chatter, they constantly talk about violence but it doesn’t occur.

While there’s truth in that, it also looks like the FBI (possibly intentionally )dropped the ball on that. There the are very Trumpy elements of the Bureau

 

[Marener]

It's an unwritten called 'The shit hit the fan rule'.

Your only problem here is the firing on a peaceful crowd didn't happen until well after 'hooligans' breached the fence at the lower end of the grounds.

Is that the same Ryan Samuel who went to the USCP officers aid with other MAGA and provided help and comfort along with other USCP?

Riot? I thought it was an insurrection.

It was a rally, among some dozen or so others that day.

Not directly.

How about went through COC to get NG deployed.

CPB are the ones who tell him to make the call.

The MAGA crowd was not peaceful. They immediately began brawling with Capitol Police upon arrival to the Capitol. The video proves it.

The Capitol Police were attempting to disperse the violent crowd.

 

[Delldude]

Intelligence estimates weren’t updated and the threat of violence was thought to be rather low. The violent rhetoric noted online was felt to be aspirational. If you follow right wing internet chatter, they constantly talk about violence but it doesn’t occur.

That's odd......not what the continual flow of intel was revealing December onward. In fact there were serious concerns over Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

 

[Lesh]

It's an unwritten called 'The shit hit the fan rule'.

Your only problem here is the firing on a peaceful crowd didn't happen until well after 'hooligans' breached the fence at the lower end of the grounds.

Is that the same Ryan Samuel who went to the USCP officers aid with other MAGA and provided help and comfort along with other USCP?

Riot? I thought it was an insurrection.

It was a rally, among some dozen or so others that day.

Not directly.

How about went through COC to get NG deployed.

CPB are the ones who tell him to make the call.

Still with the Gish Gallup huh?

Focus on one claim at a time.

Oh wait. That would mean your bullshit gets debunked and discarded

 

[Lesh]

Not in deployment of NG troops in DC as militia.

Yes. He is never not on the COC. He can delegate but that does not take him out of the COC

 

[Lesh]

That's odd......not what the continual flow of intel was revealing December onward. In fact there were serious concerns over Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

As noted above… the FBI dropped the ball.

Was it intentional? Were there Trumpers involved?

 

[Marener]

That's odd......not what the continual flow of intel was revealing December onward. In fact there were serious concerns over Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

Proud Boys and Oath Keepers always talk in violent terms. It wasn’t all that unusual. These guys are obsessed with the idea of overthrowing the government by force.

But everyone assumed it was bluster, because these guys basically never actually do anything.

No one really saw the riot coming.

 

[Lesh]

Proud Boys and Oath Keepers always talk in violent terms. It wasn’t all that unusual. These guys are obsessed with the idea of overthrowing the government by force.

But everyone assumed it was bluster, because these guys basically never actually do anything.

No one really saw the riot coming.

I have read reports that there was some very specific chatter that was ignored.

The FBI dropped the ball… to be charitable

 

[Delldude]

While there’s truth in that, it also looks like the FBI (possibly intentionally )dropped the ball on that.

Yeah, right.


FBI intelligence warning that Jan. 6 protesters might violently storm the Capitol, target lawmakers and blockade Democrats in tunnels was never sent to frontline police commanders and officers, but was quietly emailed the night before to a top aide to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, according to documents that raise new concern that politics trumped security preparedness in the fateful hours before the riot.
Capitol Police Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher emailed top Schumer aide Kelly Fado, now the Senate's deputy sergeant of arms, at about 9:40 p.m. on Jan. 5, 2021 saying he wanted to "provide you visibility" to new intelligence that an FBI threat analysis center had received from a website owner, according to documents obtained by Just the News.
The information explicitly warned that demonstrators had detailed maps of the tunnel systems around the Capitol frequented by lawmakers and their staffs and they were plotting to create a "perimeter" for potential violence and to find "Democratic members early to block them from entering the Capitol." One point of entry the rioters were targeting was the Library of Congress, he warned.
"The owner of the website submitted an online tip to the FBI NTOC (National Threat Operations Center) stating that he has noticed a significant uptick in new visitors to his website," Gallagher wrote. "We have identified numerous open-source comments indicating groups intentions of finding the tunnel entrances and confronting/blocking" members of Congress.

"Additionally," he said, "we have seen a huge uptick with reporting via open source of the groups intentions of forming a perimeter around the campus (indicated in image #5 above) from 0600-1000 hours in order to block all MOC's from getting inside our perimeter to the Buildings with spots identified for direct action."

Jan. 6 Bombshell: Schumer team received FBI intel about possible violence, frontline cops didn't

Capitol Police executive's email tipoff to Schumer aide night before riot raises concerns in Congress that politics put over security.

justthenews.com

The MAGA crowd was not peaceful. They immediately began brawling with Capitol Police upon arrival to the Capitol.

Watch a J6 timeline video and you'll see you are wrong.

 

[Lesh]

Yeah, right.


FBI intelligence warning that Jan. 6 protesters might violently storm the Capitol, target lawmakers and blockade Democrats in tunnels was never sent to frontline police commanders and officers, but was quietly emailed the night before to a top aide to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, according to documents that raise new concern that politics trumped security preparedness in the fateful hours before the riot.
Capitol Police Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher emailed top Schumer aide Kelly Fado, now the Senate's deputy sergeant of arms, at about 9:40 p.m. on Jan. 5, 2021 saying he wanted to "provide you visibility" to new intelligence that an FBI threat analysis center had received from a website owner, according to documents obtained by Just the News.
The information explicitly warned that demonstrators had detailed maps of the tunnel systems around the Capitol frequented by lawmakers and their staffs and they were plotting to create a "perimeter" for potential violence and to find "Democratic members early to block them from entering the Capitol." One point of entry the rioters were targeting was the Library of Congress, he warned.
"The owner of the website submitted an online tip to the FBI NTOC (National Threat Operations Center) stating that he has noticed a significant uptick in new visitors to his website," Gallagher wrote. "We have identified numerous open-source comments indicating groups intentions of finding the tunnel entrances and confronting/blocking" members of Congress.

"Additionally," he said, "we have seen a huge uptick with reporting via open source of the groups intentions of forming a perimeter around the campus (indicated in image #5 above) from 0600-1000 hours in order to block all MOC's from getting inside our perimeter to the Buildings with spots identified for direct action."

Jan. 6 Bombshell: Schumer team received FBI intel about possible violence, frontline cops didn't

Capitol Police executive's email tipoff to Schumer aide night before riot raises concerns in Congress that politics put over security.

justthenews.com

Watch a J6 timeline video and you'll see you are wrong.

Chuck Schumer was not Senate Majority Leader at that time so this is bullshit from the beginning

And quietly emailing a Senate staffer is not the proper procedure for handling this kind of situation

Shit like that should have set off alarm bells throughout the Administration and law enforcement. But it apparently never got there

Why?

 

[Marener]

Yeah, right.


FBI intelligence warning that Jan. 6 protesters might violently storm the Capitol, target lawmakers and blockade Democrats in tunnels was never sent to frontline police commanders and officers, but was quietly emailed the night before to a top aide to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, according to documents that raise new concern that politics trumped security preparedness in the fateful hours before the riot.
Capitol Police Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher emailed top Schumer aide Kelly Fado, now the Senate's deputy sergeant of arms, at about 9:40 p.m. on Jan. 5, 2021 saying he wanted to "provide you visibility" to new intelligence that an FBI threat analysis center had received from a website owner, according to documents obtained by Just the News.
The information explicitly warned that demonstrators had detailed maps of the tunnel systems around the Capitol frequented by lawmakers and their staffs and they were plotting to create a "perimeter" for potential violence and to find "Democratic members early to block them from entering the Capitol." One point of entry the rioters were targeting was the Library of Congress, he warned.
"The owner of the website submitted an online tip to the FBI NTOC (National Threat Operations Center) stating that he has noticed a significant uptick in new visitors to his website," Gallagher wrote. "We have identified numerous open-source comments indicating groups intentions of finding the tunnel entrances and confronting/blocking" members of Congress.

"Additionally," he said, "we have seen a huge uptick with reporting via open source of the groups intentions of forming a perimeter around the campus (indicated in image #5 above) from 0600-1000 hours in order to block all MOC's from getting inside our perimeter to the Buildings with spots identified for direct action."

Jan. 6 Bombshell: Schumer team received FBI intel about possible violence, frontline cops didn't

Capitol Police executive's email tipoff to Schumer aide night before riot raises concerns in Congress that politics put over security.

justthenews.com

Watch a J6 timeline video and you'll see you are wrong.

Great, but those reports were wrong. No one swarmed the Capitol by infiltrating the tunnels. The Capitol was not surrounded at 6 AM to stop the members of Congress from entering.

Neither of those threats were credible.

 

[Delldude]

No one really saw the riot coming.

Just FBI and USCP intel.

Washington CNN —

US Capitol Police’s main intelligence unit “was aware of the potential for violence” ahead of the January 6 US Capitol attack but failed to share critical threat information with the department’s own officers and other law enforcement partners, a new Senate report says.

Specifically, the report notes that the lead USCP intelligence division began gathering information about events planned for January 6 weeks ahead of time and knew about social media posts calling for violence, “including a plot to breach the Capitol, the online sharing of maps of the Capitol Complex’s tunnel systems, and other specific threats of violence.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/politics/us-capitol-attack-intelligence-failures-senate-report/index.html

 

[Faun]

Actually, if you read the law i am quoting is says 2018, not current.

I am getting to it. There are over 40 titles to sift through

Over 10 volumes of presedents

Jefferson's manual ( house rules) will be easy.

No, you're referencing new law. Your link is 2018 plus supplements.

If only you had known to look at the bottom of that statute, you would have seen a portion of it was amended in 2021...

(Pub. L. 107–117, div. B, §911, Jan. 10, 2002, 115 Stat. 2322; Pub. L. 117–77, §2(a), Dec. 22, 2021, 135 Stat. 1522.)​

And what was amended in 2021? Had you clicked on that date in your link and it would have seen...

​

Savvy?

That's your argument about emergencies and who has authority to call up the DCNG. That law didn't exist on 1/6/21. It was created because of 1/6/21 on 12/22/21. Like I said, but you ignored, if you want to argue the law, argue what the law was then. Not what it is now.

Nancy's role in this has long been debated and nothing has been proven that she did anything wrong. Who knows what you read or what you thought that changes that after 3⅓ years.

 

[Marener]

Just FBI and USCP intel.

Washington CNN —

US Capitol Police’s main intelligence unit “was aware of the potential for violence” ahead of the January 6 US Capitol attack but failed to share critical threat information with the department’s own officers and other law enforcement partners, a new Senate report says.

Specifically, the report notes that the lead USCP intelligence division began gathering information about events planned for January 6 weeks ahead of time and knew about social media posts calling for violence, “including a plot to breach the Capitol, the online sharing of maps of the Capitol Complex’s tunnel systems, and other specific threats of violence.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/politics/us-capitol-attack-intelligence-failures-senate-report/index.html

Hindsight. Neither agency thought this was a credible threat.

 

[Delldude]

Chuck Schumer was not Senate Majority Leader at that time so this is bullshit from the beginning

Yet he got intel and as minority leader, should have made the Turtle aware for the senate members own safety.

No one swarmed the Capitol by infiltrating the tunnels.

The hell they didn't. There were some of the most violent engagements in the tunnel.

 

[Marener]

The hell they didn't. There were some of the most violent engagements in the tunnel.

Different tunnel.

 

[Foolardi]

All of this sturm and drang from MAGARATS bitching that Pelosi didn’t do enough to stop THEM from doing why they did

Amazing

Be an ADULT and admit that the Capitol bldg. also referred to
as the Speakers House is managed and run exclusively by the
3rd in line to the Presidency.Or Speaker of the House.
Or Nancy Pelosi.Possibly San Fran Nan.
Where do you drudge-up such cockamamie notions as
" MAGARATS bitching that Pelosi didn't do enough ".
She was The Most negligent Political appointed person
regarding the happenings on J 6th.
Plus she also pulled one of The Most shocking displays of
Political brathood in American History.
By smirking and possibly sucking on some hard candy as
she went about Tearing-up Donald Trump's SOTU address.
His last address { feb.5th 2020 }.

 

[Delldude]

He can delegate but that does not take him out of the COC

In this specific instance it does. You miss the part where He gives His authority over to SECDEF?