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Get a life.
That 2019 impeachment
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Admiral Rockwell Tory
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So why are we getting all excited about much ado about nothing?
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All you do is repeat the shit this administration serves you.
Don’t be a useful idiot.
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You are the polar opposite.
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You are a tool.
Any time you were asked to provide any substantiation, all you did was copy and paste from a Trump administration press release.
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Politics don't excite me, but what Jesus has done and will do is exciting.
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Then might I suggest you are in the wrong thread, perhaps?
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Impeachment didn't work now Intel helps rig the election.
Seditious conspiracy?
Seditious conspiracy?
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We know what they say about whistle Blowers....
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The hits just keep on coming:
Shokin vindicated:
The scandal began in March 2019 when this reporter uncovered evidence in a series of columns in The Hill newspaper that revealed then-Vice President Joe Biden withheld $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to Kyiv to force the firing in late 2015 of Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, who at the time just happened to be investigating Hunter Biden's Ukrainian employer, the energy firm Burisma Holdings.
Shortly after the story broke, Team Biden locked into an alternate story: Shokin wasn't really investigating Burisma that much, and Joe Biden only took the action because career officials wanted Shokin out for his weak efforts to fight corruption and had recommended that the vice president withhold the loan guarantees.
State Department officials like George Kent backed up the narrative in their impeachment testimony, Kent, for instance, answered "he did" when he was asked during his impeachment testimony whether Joe Biden acted consistent with U.S. policy when he used the loan guarantee as leverage to force Shokin's firing.
That story held for three years until Just the News sued to win documents showing a far different tale.
State Department officials, including Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, had actually praised Shokin's work fighting corruption, even sending him a letter of congratulations.
You can read that here.
NulandtoShokinJune2015.pdf
And contrary to what Biden claimed, a task force of State, Treasury and Justice Department officials had decided in fall 2015 that Ukraine and specifically Shokin had made adequate progress on anti-corruption reforms and deserved a new $1 billion U.S. loan guarantee.
“Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee,” reads an Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizing the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee (IPC) – a task force created to advise the Obama White House on whether Ukraine was cleaning up its endemic corruption and deserved more Western foreign aid.
You can read that here.
UkraineTaskForceLoanGuaranteeMemo.pdf
Separate of the documents, Hunter Biden's ex-business partners also testified to Congress in 2023 that Shokin’s office was, in fact, conducting an increasingly aggressive corruption investigation into Burisma Holdings, an energy firm the State Department deemed to have been engaged in bribery. They also testified that Hunter Biden and Burisma's owner, Mykola Zolchevsky, were worried about Shokin's probe just before Joe Biden flew to Kiev and pulled the loan guarantees.
“He was a threat," ex-Burisma partner Devon Archer said of Shokin, the prosecutor. "He ended up seizing assets of Mykola – a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Mykola actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets.”
The newly unearthed evidence was so compelling that even The Washington Post's fact-checker changed his tune on the scandal, saying contrary to what had been reported during the impeachment trial in 2019 Joe Biden himself conducted an "audible" on his own when he forced Shokin's firing with the threat of withholding the loan guarantees.
___________
Another 2019 Democrat narrative to hit the skids was the claims by top State Department officials that Hunter Biden's dealings with a Ukrainian company tainted by corruption allegations had no real impact on U.S. policy in the former Soviet republic.
___________
But in a private, classified email obtained by Just the News years later, one of the top U.S. officials in the Kyiv embassy, Kent, told then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch at the end of the Obama administration that Hunter Biden had, in fact, impacted the U.S. anti-corruption agenda in Ukraine.
"The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter's presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine b/c Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules," Kent wrote to Yovanovitch in the Nov. 22, 2016, email marked "confidential."
You can read that here.
KentBurismaEmailNov222016.pdf
__________
The recently declassified memos from Gabbard's office offered one other stunning revelation.
An intelligence official dubbed “Witness 2” — an ally of Ciaramella’s during the Ukraine saga — spoke with Atkinson on August 21, 2019. At the time, “Witness 2” was a member of the NSC whose home agency was the National Security Agency, and he was working for the Directorate of Intelligence and for the European and Russian Affairs Directorate.
“Witness 2 reviewed the transcript [of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy] in order to have situational awareness of the circumstances surrounding the call, and the discussions of the call, as he was covering for the Director of Ukraine, hereafter referred to as (‘Alex’), while Alex was out of the office,” the recently-declassified memo said.
The memo said that “Witness 2 worked with Peter Strozk [sic], and Witness 2 knew how it would play out if [Redacted] said anything” as the intelligence community watchdog quoted him saying that “if I unilaterally try to make an issue out of it the only person impacted is me and not for the better.”
Strzok was a key player throughout the FBI’s deeply flawed Crossfire Hurricane investigation — including writing the opening communication that launched the inquiry. His text messages — particularly with his co-worker and paramour Lisa Page — in 2016 repeatedly displayed an anti-Trump bias.
“Witness 2 is assisting Complainant in regard to the urgent concern because Witness 2 wants to be able to sleep at night, and [Redacted] wants to help Complainant sleep at night, by registering how concerning this whole thing was,” the memo said. “Witness 2” stated that he “feels a moral and patriotic duty to help Complainant due [sic] what is right” and said that he wanted to “sleep the sleep of the just.'’
Despite this, “Witness 2” said he would not have done what Ciaramella had done.
“Witness 2 made it clear that [Redacted] would not have taken independent action on the information [Redacted] read in the transcript for two reasons: first that [Redacted] routinely deals with issues on a daily basis that are contrary to [Redacted] personal beliefs; and second that [Redacted] did not have the level of granular insight of details related to the Ukraine that Complainant had,” the memo said. “Witness 2 could not connect the same dots that Complainant did into the impact of what was said during the telephone call.”
In a section on “Potential for Biases or to Be Discredited” it was also revealed that “Witness 2” had helped with the 2016 ICA on alleged Russian election meddling.
“If someone were to try to discredit information provided by Witness 2, they might focus on Witness 2 being the co-author of the 2017 ICA on Russian Interference in the 2016 election,” the memo said, adding that “the ICA could have been, or could be looked at, as negative towards President Trump.” The 2016 ICA was written at the direction of then-President Obama and largely overseen by Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
justthenews.com
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Shokin vindicated:
The Biden firing of Ukraine's chief prosecutor
The scandal began in March 2019 when this reporter uncovered evidence in a series of columns in The Hill newspaper that revealed then-Vice President Joe Biden withheld $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to Kyiv to force the firing in late 2015 of Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, who at the time just happened to be investigating Hunter Biden's Ukrainian employer, the energy firm Burisma Holdings.
Shortly after the story broke, Team Biden locked into an alternate story: Shokin wasn't really investigating Burisma that much, and Joe Biden only took the action because career officials wanted Shokin out for his weak efforts to fight corruption and had recommended that the vice president withhold the loan guarantees.
State Department officials like George Kent backed up the narrative in their impeachment testimony, Kent, for instance, answered "he did" when he was asked during his impeachment testimony whether Joe Biden acted consistent with U.S. policy when he used the loan guarantee as leverage to force Shokin's firing.
That story held for three years until Just the News sued to win documents showing a far different tale.
State Department officials, including Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, had actually praised Shokin's work fighting corruption, even sending him a letter of congratulations.
You can read that here.
NulandtoShokinJune2015.pdf
And contrary to what Biden claimed, a task force of State, Treasury and Justice Department officials had decided in fall 2015 that Ukraine and specifically Shokin had made adequate progress on anti-corruption reforms and deserved a new $1 billion U.S. loan guarantee.
“Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee,” reads an Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizing the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee (IPC) – a task force created to advise the Obama White House on whether Ukraine was cleaning up its endemic corruption and deserved more Western foreign aid.
You can read that here.
UkraineTaskForceLoanGuaranteeMemo.pdf
Separate of the documents, Hunter Biden's ex-business partners also testified to Congress in 2023 that Shokin’s office was, in fact, conducting an increasingly aggressive corruption investigation into Burisma Holdings, an energy firm the State Department deemed to have been engaged in bribery. They also testified that Hunter Biden and Burisma's owner, Mykola Zolchevsky, were worried about Shokin's probe just before Joe Biden flew to Kiev and pulled the loan guarantees.
“He was a threat," ex-Burisma partner Devon Archer said of Shokin, the prosecutor. "He ended up seizing assets of Mykola – a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Mykola actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets.”
The newly unearthed evidence was so compelling that even The Washington Post's fact-checker changed his tune on the scandal, saying contrary to what had been reported during the impeachment trial in 2019 Joe Biden himself conducted an "audible" on his own when he forced Shokin's firing with the threat of withholding the loan guarantees.
___________
State Department witness testimonies conflict with their own documents.
Another 2019 Democrat narrative to hit the skids was the claims by top State Department officials that Hunter Biden's dealings with a Ukrainian company tainted by corruption allegations had no real impact on U.S. policy in the former Soviet republic.
___________
But in a private, classified email obtained by Just the News years later, one of the top U.S. officials in the Kyiv embassy, Kent, told then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch at the end of the Obama administration that Hunter Biden had, in fact, impacted the U.S. anti-corruption agenda in Ukraine.
"The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter's presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine b/c Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules," Kent wrote to Yovanovitch in the Nov. 22, 2016, email marked "confidential."
You can read that here.
KentBurismaEmailNov222016.pdf
__________
Ties to the earlier and now discredited Russia collusion probe
The recently declassified memos from Gabbard's office offered one other stunning revelation.
An intelligence official dubbed “Witness 2” — an ally of Ciaramella’s during the Ukraine saga — spoke with Atkinson on August 21, 2019. At the time, “Witness 2” was a member of the NSC whose home agency was the National Security Agency, and he was working for the Directorate of Intelligence and for the European and Russian Affairs Directorate.
“Witness 2 reviewed the transcript [of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy] in order to have situational awareness of the circumstances surrounding the call, and the discussions of the call, as he was covering for the Director of Ukraine, hereafter referred to as (‘Alex’), while Alex was out of the office,” the recently-declassified memo said.
The memo said that “Witness 2 worked with Peter Strozk [sic], and Witness 2 knew how it would play out if [Redacted] said anything” as the intelligence community watchdog quoted him saying that “if I unilaterally try to make an issue out of it the only person impacted is me and not for the better.”
Strzok was a key player throughout the FBI’s deeply flawed Crossfire Hurricane investigation — including writing the opening communication that launched the inquiry. His text messages — particularly with his co-worker and paramour Lisa Page — in 2016 repeatedly displayed an anti-Trump bias.
“Witness 2 is assisting Complainant in regard to the urgent concern because Witness 2 wants to be able to sleep at night, and [Redacted] wants to help Complainant sleep at night, by registering how concerning this whole thing was,” the memo said. “Witness 2” stated that he “feels a moral and patriotic duty to help Complainant due [sic] what is right” and said that he wanted to “sleep the sleep of the just.'’
Despite this, “Witness 2” said he would not have done what Ciaramella had done.
“Witness 2 made it clear that [Redacted] would not have taken independent action on the information [Redacted] read in the transcript for two reasons: first that [Redacted] routinely deals with issues on a daily basis that are contrary to [Redacted] personal beliefs; and second that [Redacted] did not have the level of granular insight of details related to the Ukraine that Complainant had,” the memo said. “Witness 2 could not connect the same dots that Complainant did into the impact of what was said during the telephone call.”
In a section on “Potential for Biases or to Be Discredited” it was also revealed that “Witness 2” had helped with the 2016 ICA on alleged Russian election meddling.
“If someone were to try to discredit information provided by Witness 2, they might focus on Witness 2 being the co-author of the 2017 ICA on Russian Interference in the 2016 election,” the memo said, adding that “the ICA could have been, or could be looked at, as negative towards President Trump.” The 2016 ICA was written at the direction of then-President Obama and largely overseen by Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
Five stories Democrats told during Trump’s 2019 Ukraine impeachment have fallen apart
Years of belated bombshells have eroded most of the narrative Democrats sold to America, from the credibility of the initial whistleblower to Joe Biden's claims.
justthenews.com
House Intel member says it's time to expunge Trump's 2019 impeachment, punish Judge Boasberg
"So-called whistleblower knew he didn't have the evidence. He used hearsay. He used poor intelligence ... but they covered it up," Rep. Claudia Tenney said.
justthenews.com
Biden bragged he got Shokin fired. His son worked for Busisma and Biden could not have that firm investigated.The hits just keep on coming:
Shokin vindicated:
The Biden firing of Ukraine's chief prosecutor
The scandal began in March 2019 when this reporter uncovered evidence in a series of columns in The Hill newspaper that revealed then-Vice President Joe Biden withheld $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to Kyiv to force the firing in late 2015 of Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, who at the time just happened to be investigating Hunter Biden's Ukrainian employer, the energy firm Burisma Holdings.
Shortly after the story broke, Team Biden locked into an alternate story: Shokin wasn't really investigating Burisma that much, and Joe Biden only took the action because career officials wanted Shokin out for his weak efforts to fight corruption and had recommended that the vice president withhold the loan guarantees.
State Department officials like George Kent backed up the narrative in their impeachment testimony, Kent, for instance, answered "he did" when he was asked during his impeachment testimony whether Joe Biden acted consistent with U.S. policy when he used the loan guarantee as leverage to force Shokin's firing.
That story held for three years until Just the News sued to win documents showing a far different tale.
State Department officials, including Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, had actually praised Shokin's work fighting corruption, even sending him a letter of congratulations.
You can read that here.
NulandtoShokinJune2015.pdf
And contrary to what Biden claimed, a task force of State, Treasury and Justice Department officials had decided in fall 2015 that Ukraine and specifically Shokin had made adequate progress on anti-corruption reforms and deserved a new $1 billion U.S. loan guarantee.
“Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee,” reads an Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizing the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee (IPC) – a task force created to advise the Obama White House on whether Ukraine was cleaning up its endemic corruption and deserved more Western foreign aid.
You can read that here.
UkraineTaskForceLoanGuaranteeMemo.pdf
Separate of the documents, Hunter Biden's ex-business partners also testified to Congress in 2023 that Shokin’s office was, in fact, conducting an increasingly aggressive corruption investigation into Burisma Holdings, an energy firm the State Department deemed to have been engaged in bribery. They also testified that Hunter Biden and Burisma's owner, Mykola Zolchevsky, were worried about Shokin's probe just before Joe Biden flew to Kiev and pulled the loan guarantees.
“He was a threat," ex-Burisma partner Devon Archer said of Shokin, the prosecutor. "He ended up seizing assets of Mykola – a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Mykola actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets.”
The newly unearthed evidence was so compelling that even The Washington Post's fact-checker changed his tune on the scandal, saying contrary to what had been reported during the impeachment trial in 2019 Joe Biden himself conducted an "audible" on his own when he forced Shokin's firing with the threat of withholding the loan guarantees.
___________
State Department witness testimonies conflict with their own documents.
Another 2019 Democrat narrative to hit the skids was the claims by top State Department officials that Hunter Biden's dealings with a Ukrainian company tainted by corruption allegations had no real impact on U.S. policy in the former Soviet republic.
___________
But in a private, classified email obtained by Just the News years later, one of the top U.S. officials in the Kyiv embassy, Kent, told then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch at the end of the Obama administration that Hunter Biden had, in fact, impacted the U.S. anti-corruption agenda in Ukraine.
"The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter's presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine b/c Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules," Kent wrote to Yovanovitch in the Nov. 22, 2016, email marked "confidential."
You can read that here.
KentBurismaEmailNov222016.pdf
__________
Ties to the earlier and now discredited Russia collusion probe
The recently declassified memos from Gabbard's office offered one other stunning revelation.
An intelligence official dubbed “Witness 2” — an ally of Ciaramella’s during the Ukraine saga — spoke with Atkinson on August 21, 2019. At the time, “Witness 2” was a member of the NSC whose home agency was the National Security Agency, and he was working for the Directorate of Intelligence and for the European and Russian Affairs Directorate.
“Witness 2 reviewed the transcript [of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy] in order to have situational awareness of the circumstances surrounding the call, and the discussions of the call, as he was covering for the Director of Ukraine, hereafter referred to as (‘Alex’), while Alex was out of the office,” the recently-declassified memo said.
The memo said that “Witness 2 worked with Peter Strozk [sic], and Witness 2 knew how it would play out if [Redacted] said anything” as the intelligence community watchdog quoted him saying that “if I unilaterally try to make an issue out of it the only person impacted is me and not for the better.”
Strzok was a key player throughout the FBI’s deeply flawed Crossfire Hurricane investigation — including writing the opening communication that launched the inquiry. His text messages — particularly with his co-worker and paramour Lisa Page — in 2016 repeatedly displayed an anti-Trump bias.
“Witness 2 is assisting Complainant in regard to the urgent concern because Witness 2 wants to be able to sleep at night, and [Redacted] wants to help Complainant sleep at night, by registering how concerning this whole thing was,” the memo said. “Witness 2” stated that he “feels a moral and patriotic duty to help Complainant due [sic] what is right” and said that he wanted to “sleep the sleep of the just.'’
Despite this, “Witness 2” said he would not have done what Ciaramella had done.
“Witness 2 made it clear that [Redacted] would not have taken independent action on the information [Redacted] read in the transcript for two reasons: first that [Redacted] routinely deals with issues on a daily basis that are contrary to [Redacted] personal beliefs; and second that [Redacted] did not have the level of granular insight of details related to the Ukraine that Complainant had,” the memo said. “Witness 2 could not connect the same dots that Complainant did into the impact of what was said during the telephone call.”
In a section on “Potential for Biases or to Be Discredited” it was also revealed that “Witness 2” had helped with the 2016 ICA on alleged Russian election meddling.
“If someone were to try to discredit information provided by Witness 2, they might focus on Witness 2 being the co-author of the 2017 ICA on Russian Interference in the 2016 election,” the memo said, adding that “the ICA could have been, or could be looked at, as negative towards President Trump.” The 2016 ICA was written at the direction of then-President Obama and largely overseen by Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
Five stories Democrats told during Trump’s 2019 Ukraine impeachment have fallen apart
Years of belated bombshells have eroded most of the narrative Democrats sold to America, from the credibility of the initial whistleblower to Joe Biden's claims.
House Intel member says it's time to expunge Trump's 2019 impeachment, punish Judge Boasberg
"So-called whistleblower knew he didn't have the evidence. He used hearsay. He used poor intelligence ... but they covered it up," Rep. Claudia Tenney said.
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Well, none of this has anything to do with Trump being impeached for what we have him recorded as saying.
Poor cultists.
Poor cultists.
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