Gabbard claims ‘coordinated effort’ by intelligence community to advance narrative to impeach Trump

[struth]

SAVE is a solution in search of a problem. There was no fraud that could have changed the outcome of any Presidential election (at least in my lifetime). The fact that Trump continues to undermine the public's trust in our system makes him, IMHO, the worst and most dangerous president of my lifetime.

I thought you said it was a problem?

 

[alang1216]

I thought you said it was a problem?

Not a problem. I was just trying to say that Trump's delegitimizing US elections delegitimizes his too.

 

[struth]

Not a problem. I was just trying to say that Trump's delegitimizing US elections delegitimizes his too.

So why don't you want to make elections legit? Why wouldn't you support making them more legit with the added protections of the SAVE act?

 

[M14 Shooter]

From my understanding thje constitution ONLY allows Congress to declare war silly one!

Your understanding isn't sufficient for you to have a meaningful conversation on the matter, as you clearly do not understand the president committing an act of war is not a declaration of war.

Congress made some carve outs for the President to do such, only under certain conditions...imminent threat, is one of them....

Nothing here creates the legal or constitutional requirements you claimed.

 

[alang1216]

So why don't you want to make elections legit? Why wouldn't you support making them more legit with the added protections of the SAVE act?

Our elections ARE legit so this will just be a burden on ME for absolutely NO benefit. I always vote by mail and VA has never had a problem with it.

 

[struth]

Our elections ARE legit so this will just be a burden on ME for absolutely NO benefit. I always vote by mail and VA has never had a problem with it.

there you go flip flopping again.....


how will it burden you?

VA has a lot more issues with elections currently being decided....the Dems have proven to be a great threat to representative democracy in the Commonwealth.

 

[alang1216]

how will it burden you?

Will I still be able to vote by mail?

VA has a lot more issues with elections currently being decided....the Dems have proven to be a great threat to representative democracy in the Commonwealth.

Got any examples to back that up? I have a recent example of the GOP acting, as I see it, unethically.

 

[struth]

Will I still be able to vote by mail?


Got any examples to back that up? I have a recent example of the GOP acting, as I see it, unethically.

1) yes
2) te example being the Dems in VA trying to undermine our state Constitution and redraw the districts.

 

[alang1216]

1) yes

I can vote by mail without giving a reason?

2) te example being the Dems in VA trying to undermine our state Constitution and redraw the districts.

So Republicans in Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Florida are a great threat to representative democracy?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Back to the topic -

Criminal referrals have been issued.

Theater for gullible morons

 

[struth]

I can vote by mail without giving a reason?


So Republicans in Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Florida are a great threat to representative democracy?

I can’t speak to any of those states. I don’t know what’s going on their or what the state constitution says about restricting maps

In Va just a few years ago, we amended our constitution so that only a nonpartisan committee make the maps.

 

[alang1216]

I can’t speak to any of those states. I don’t know what’s going on their or what the state constitution says about restricting maps

Willful ignorance?

In Va just a few years ago, we amended our constitution so that only a nonpartisan committee make the maps.

In VA we Dems are exercising our democratic right to amend our constitution. Note that it is a one-time only redistricting that I would have voted against if Trump had not pushed Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Florida to do a mid-decade redistricting solely to gain more house seats. That to me is undemocratic and why I voted Yes.

 

[struth]

Willful ignorance?


In VA we Dems are exercising our democratic right to amend our constitution. Note that it is a one-time only redistricting that I would have voted against if Trump had not pushed Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Florida to do a mid-decade redistricting solely to gain more house seats. That to me is undemocratic and why I voted Yes.

Yes I suppose, I have no desire to review the state constitutions of those states

Ha the dems are at war with the VA constitution and running one of the most dishonest campaigns in history

 

[alang1216]

Ha the dems are at war with the VA constitution and running one of the most dishonest campaigns in history

I think the Dems are running an honest campaign. Do you have any examples that would show any dishonesty?

It is, in fact, the GOP that is running one of the most dishonest campaigns in my experience. I received 2 postcards in the mail telling me to vote 'No'. The were from a PAC headed by a Republican but the GOP connection was not mentioned.

One had a picture of Governor Spanburger and included quotes of hers from the time the anti-partisan redistricting amendment was on the ballot. She was against partisan redistricting and the postcard had a quote to that effect but did not think to mention that she is a supporter of the 'Yes' vote. Many voters were confused, which was the goal.

The other had a picture of Barak Obama and a quote deploring partisan redistricting but did not think to mention that he is a supporter of the 'Yes' vote. Again many voters were confused.

Virginia redistricting flyers spark controversy over alleged misinformation​

 

[struth]

I think the Dems are running an honest campaign. Do you have any examples that would show any dishonesty?

It is, in fact, the GOP that is running one of the most dishonest campaigns in my experience. I received 2 postcards in the mail telling me to vote 'No'. The were from a PAC headed by a Republican but the GOP connection was not mentioned.

One had a picture of Governor Spanburger and included quotes of hers from the time the anti-partisan redistricting amendment was on the ballot. She was against partisan redistricting and the postcard had a quote to that effect but did not think to mention that she is a supporter of the 'Yes' vote. Many voters were confused, which was the goal.

The other had a picture of Barak Obama and a quote deploring partisan redistricting but did not think to mention that he is a supporter of the 'Yes' vote. Again many voters were confused.

Virginia redistricting flyers spark controversy over alleged misinformation​

It’s massively misleading and undermines our constitution

 

[westwall]

Sounds like a pathetic attempt to rewrite history. The whistleblower was Alex Vindman who was on the call.

And who lied through his teeth.

 

[alang1216]

It’s massively misleading and undermines our constitution

It’s massively misleading and undermines our democracy.

 

[struth]

It’s massively misleading and undermines our democracy.

Yes

 

[Robert W]

SAVE is a solution in search of a problem. There was no fraud that could have changed the outcome of any Presidential election (at least in my lifetime). The fact that Trump continues to undermine the public's trust in our system makes him, IMHO, the worst and most dangerous president of my lifetime.

Why not support SAVE and see if it makes a difference. What can having proper ID into the record make in your world?

 

[alang1216]

Yes

Then why do the GOP try to massively mislead and undermine our democracy.