"tens of millions of dead people may be collecting social security"

[Marener]

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Asking people to back up a claim they never made is bizarre and nonsensical.

 

[protectionist]

What the hell are you talking about? SS Retirement benefits are not paid "off the books".

Face it Musk/Trump lied to you to make you believe that there were millions of people over the age of 100 drawing SS Retirement Benefits when in fact the SS Retirement payments for those over 100 run about 89,000 a month and the Trump Administration Census showed a little over 90,000 American's over 100 years old.

That was the claim (Musk/Trump), That was the Date (those paid benefits). You were lied to and still believe it.

WW

Still waiting for an answer to >
"Who really knows their methdology ? I don’t. Do you think you do ?"

 

[Mac-7]

DOGE isn't auditing. They are firing people. Lets let some independent auditors do it.

Downsizing the federal government is a key mission of DOGE

But seeking out waste, fraud, is important also

 

[Crepitus]

How the hell do you know what they're doing ? Are you in the same room with them ? Watching them? You are hot air.

They are telling us.

haven't you been paying attention?

 

[protectionist]

They are telling us.

haven't you been paying attention?

I was referring to the auditing and spending cutting.

 

[Crepitus]

I was referring to the auditing and spending cutting.

They aren't auditing, they are firing people. They can't read a simple chart, how are they gonna audit anything?

 

[protectionist]

They aren't auditing, they are firing people. They can't read a simple chart, how are they gonna audit anything?

They ARE auditing and finding $$$$$ wasted on idiotic LGBT & DEI junk, all over the world, and then cutting that reckless & crazy spending.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

At least according to Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt.

“President Trump has directed Elon Musk and the DOGE team to identify fraud at the Social Security Administration. They haven’t dug into the books yet, but they suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased people who are receiving fraudulent Social Security payments,” she said.

There are only about 70 million people in total getting SS. There may be hundreds of deceased getting payments, but certainly not millions or tens of millions.

I mean, seriously. Does anyone really think that 1/3 of recipients are dead?

Over the weekend, Musk posted a table supposedly showing that the Social Security database has millions of people in it over the age of 140.

"Ninety-eight percent of social security number holders who are age 100 or older do not receive benefits, Justin Wolfers, professor of public policy and economics at the University of Michigan, explained on X. “Why are there dead people on (this one table of) the social security database? They died before the use of electronic death records,” he added.


So the real question here is are they really that stupid?


Or do they just think you are?

'Frustrating': Experts push back against team Trump claim that dead people collect Social Security

President Donald Trump’s Press Secretary, Karoline Leavitt, pushed a claim Monday on Fox News that there may be many dead people receiving Social Security payments. Experts have pushed back against that idea, which has come from Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency, indicating...

www.alternet.org

Those records shouldn't even exist because their database tables should have constraints on the age, the date of birth and the date of death fields in order to not even allow information that is way outside of the normal life span of a human being.

 

[Lesh]

Why hasn’t Elmo said which of those millions have drawn benefits in the last 50 years

If he doesn’t know he has no business men’s around here

 

[WorldWatcher]

Those records shouldn't even exist because their database tables should have constraints on the age, the date of birth and the date of death fields in order to not even allow information that is way outside of the normal life span of a human being.

"SSA has rigorous protocols to stop payments to beneficiaries who have died. State vital statistics agencies report deaths to SSA via the Electronic Death Registration system, typically within days. SSA also collects death data from funeral home directors, family members, and financial institutions. Across all sources, the agency receives nearly 3 million death reports each year, preventing over $50 million in improper payments each month. To catch any deaths that may have escaped reporting, SSA regularly checks to be sure its oldest beneficiaries are using their Medicare benefits — if not, they verify that the beneficiary is still alive. And in the extremely rare cases where benefits are paid to people over 100 years old, SSA has a policy to stop payments by age 115."

WW

https://www.cbpp.org/blog/setting-the-record-straight-on-social-security

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When robbers are at work, they make THEIR OWN rules.

But enough about the fat orange rapist and the Son of Apartheid...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

“There may be hundreds of deceased getting payments, but certainly not millions or tens of millions.”

As long as you say so, darlin’.

As long as your favorite fat rapist says so... right?

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, there is fraud in social security. Everyone knows there is some fraud. How much? Probably not very much and there are systems in place to identify it and deal with it. At a certain point, you can spend more money dealing with fraud then you recover in actually finding it.

Most fraud relates to SS Disability not dead people collecting benefits

 

[protectionist]

But enough about the fat orange rapist and the Son of Apartheid...

see a shrink

 

[MagicMike]

No, it's "explained" in the linked piece, with the person guessing as to why, and using the old "thrown spaghetti" approach, claiming a bunch of reasons and seeing what sticks.

Ok then. Why don't you produce the record of where these fictional payments are actually winding up.....since....you know....dead people can't actually be cashing these fictional checks.
WHOSE bank accounts is this money winding up in according to Trump's Nazi Afrikaneer pimp?

 

[martybegan]

Ok then. Why don't you produce the record of where these fictional payments are actually winding up.....since....you know....dead people can't actually be cashing these fictional checks.
WHOSE bank accounts is this money winding up in according to Trump's Nazi Afrikaneer pimp?

I'm sure that's all being looked at.

How would I produce those records anyway?

 

[rightwinger]

I'm sure that's all being looked at.

How would I produce those records anyway?

It is more MAGA misinformation trying to stir up the base.

It is just a case where SS numbers are not closed out because no record of death has been received.
Trump inferred SS is still sending checks

 

[martybegan]

It is more MAGA misinformation trying to stir up the base.

It is just a case where SS numbers are not closed out because no record of death has been received.
Trump inferred SS is still sending checks

The fact they haven't been closed is bad enough. And we don't know if they are still getting checks or not.

 

[rightwinger]

The fact they haven't been closed is bad enough. And we don't know if they are still getting checks or not.

Of course we know..

Easy to tell if checks are sent out and who cashed them. I don’t think SS even sends checks anymore.

Doesn’t happen

 

[MagicMike]

I'm sure that's all being looked at.

You're sure?
How so?

How would I produce those records anyway?

Exactly the point. You don't really know what you are talking about. You are just trusting what these elite, billionaire, corporate raiders are telling you and you are repeating it like some kind of fact.
A good rule of thumb when dealing with people like this, so far removed from you and (most likely) anybody you know's circumstances, is that YOUR best interest is NOT a concern of theirs.
These people have nothing but sneering contempt for the poor suckers they are able to so easily convince otherwise.
They laugh at the very people dumb enough to throw their support behind them.