temple mount

[aris2chat]

Yes, it is appropriate to point and laugh.

As Huddie "Leadbelly" Ledbetter (master of the 12 string blues guitar), said, " I'm laughin' just to keep from cryin'.

It's as though "Baghdad Bob Syndrome" has afflicted the entirety of the muhammedan Middle East. And it seems that the more outrageous the conspiracy theory, the greater is the willingness on the part or the vacant-minded Muhamnedans to believe it.


Israeli Islamic Leader Kamal Khatib on Jazeera TV: Israel Inserted Chemical Substances into Al-Aqsa Mosque Wall to Cause Corrosion

ISRAELI ISLAMIC LEADER KAMAL KHATIB ON JAZEERA TV: ISRAEL INSERTED CHEMICAL SUBSTANCES INTO AL-AQSA MOSQUE WALL TO CAUSE CORROSION

like using gas instead of water to put out a fire

stupid libels

and yet gaza is firing rockets at Israel.....fact

arab states have not come up with a better idea for security to enter the mount

if hamas said the moon was a giant grape, al jazeera would print it as fact

 

[louie888]

if hamas said the moon was a giant grape, al jazeera would print it as fact

Again now, for the slow...

 

[aris2chat]

if hamas said the moon was a giant grape, al jazeera would print it as fact

Again now, for the slow...

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NKs again???????

good grief!!

 

[louie888]

NKs again???????

good grief!!

I will certainly take the word of our rabbis who stand for peace, way before you and the liars you post with.

 

[Hollie]

Oh please. If Israel was trying to destroy that stupid mosque it would not have waited until now.

They might keep waiting til they are ready to face the nearly 2 billion Muslims in war.

I think you meant If Muslims were trying to destroy that stupid facist shithole you assholes mistakenly call Israel, they would not have waited until now. And you would have been wiped into the sea a longass time ago.

2 billion Moslems in war?

That's a bit melodramatic Field Marshal, General knucklehead.

Maybe it's just me but I have a difficult time believing that Ummah'istan is going to pick up their rakes and shovels and march off to do the gee-had thing on your call to action.

Maybe you just need to slow down on pompous blathering?

There's a good boy.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In Jordan, after the 1967 Six Day War, Arab states tried to broker power-sharing arrangements over Jordanian territory between the beleaguered Hashemite monarchy and the Palestinian terrorist organizations. During three years of bargaining and meddling, massive firefights took place between the two sides in which hundreds if not thousands of civilians were killed.

This was but a prelude to the final showdown when the monarchy said enough is enough: sovereignty now. That period, dubbed Black September (1970), was in fact the beginning of a full year of bloodletting. It ended only when the Jordanian monarchy won a decisive victory.

The Jordanian victory was so decisively won that hundreds of Palestinian terrorists fled westward into Israeli hands to avert the fate that awaited them. Only then did the Jordanian state achieve the Biblical “40 years of peace.” Ironically, Amman is now demanding that Israel share sovereignty, a prescription that proved disastrous in its own political history.

The same goes for Lebanon. Arab attempts to induce a partnership over sovereignty between the Lebanese state and the Palestinians after the Six Day War ended in unprecedented violence. Unfortunately, the Lebanese state, unlike Jordan, has never been able to reassert sovereignty. The result is that Lebanon suffers from perennial internal political violence only a powder keg away from reverting back to the fifteen-year civil war that more or less ended in 1989.

In Cyprus, attempts by foreign powers to establish power-sharing between the Greek and Turkish populations resulted in violence and have never succeeded. Peace came when the Turkish invasion of 1974 achieved a decisive victory resulting in the partition of the island.

(full article online)

Israeli Sovereignty Over the Temple Mount Is Crucial for Peace

 

[aris2chat]

to the fifteen-year civil war that more or less ended in 1989.

yet syrian occupation till 2005

 

[Roudy]

Yeah, because Arab Muslims never oppressed and persecuted Jews prior to Israel, they never invaded, looted, killed raped or forced their religion, culture, and language down people's throats at the point of a sword either. It's all because of Israel or the Jews. Now take you meds and go to your white padded room.

Do you find it even a little bit odd that you always try and compare israel to the lowest common denominator?

The lowest common denominator being the Palestinians themselves? Thanks for the clarification and letting us know exactly what the Israelis have to deal with.

 

[Roudy]

how is it that a people forced to leave their homeland, keep their faith and marry other jews become european?
they are still jews from Israel/Judea, their homeland

Today palestinias, some third and forth generation, still call themselves palestinian even though they are born and raised in other countries. Many live in Europe or the US

Why are jews different?

<raising hand> um...because they're Jews?! Ha ha ha.

 

[Shusha]

Jordan's response to the Temple Mount ridiculousness:

Jewish tourists forbidden to pray, all objects of Jewish nature confiscated, threatened with imprisonment.

It emerged that they were not allowed [to show] any religious symbols,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Emmanuel Nahshon told The Times of Israel. He said the incident occurred either Sunday or Monday.

One of the tourists, Rabbi Menashe Zelicha of Bnei Brak, said the police officers told his group that “in all of Jordan it is forbidden for Jews to pray.”

 

[rylah]

Jordan's response to the Temple Mount ridiculousness:

Jewish tourists forbidden to pray, all objects of Jewish nature confiscated, threatened with imprisonment.

It emerged that they were not allowed [to show] any religious symbols,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Emmanuel Nahshon told The Times of Israel. He said the incident occurred either Sunday or Monday.

One of the tourists, Rabbi Menashe Zelicha of Bnei Brak, said the police officers told his group that “in all of Jordan it is forbidden for Jews to pray.”

It's not that simple with Jordan. The king is in a very difficult situation having to rule over a majority of Palestinians and having the caliphate knocking on the doors. He's walking on egg shells.

I still think he, the king himself is an ally.

 

[rylah]

Most muslims are praying outside at the base of the mount.
A few are entering and praying on the mount.

Palestinians are only hurting themselves. Nothing says they have to pray in a mosque. Other muslims around the world go through metal detectors to pray regularly, even in Mecca.

If muslims don't want to pray on the mount, I'm sure jews and christian will want to.

I think all should pray there if they want, regardless of faith.

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world. Terrorist have made them a necessity.

aris2chat
How do You understand the situation, is King Abdullah II still an ally/partner for Israel?
I always thought of him as a reasonable leader

 

[louie888]

Jordan's response to the Temple Mount ridiculousness:

Jewish tourists forbidden to pray, all objects of Jewish nature confiscated, threatened with imprisonment.

It emerged that they were not allowed [to show] any religious symbols,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Emmanuel Nahshon told The Times of Israel. He said the incident occurred either Sunday or Monday.

One of the tourists, Rabbi Menashe Zelicha of Bnei Brak, said the police officers told his group that “in all of Jordan it is forbidden for Jews to pray.”

It is a security measure. You seem to mention those constantly. It seems you should have understood. From your jewish source (so who knows if ANY of it is true)...

However, Jordanian authorities are said to be preventing the man from leaving, and reportedly want to question him in their investigation into the matter. The family of the first Jordanian victim, 17-year-old Mohammed Jawawdeh, said that Jawawdeh was murdered in cold blood, with one family member telling Jordanian television that “We will follow the investigation along with the government leaders until we get our rights, so that this criminal is put to death.”

 

[Shusha]

It's not that simple with Jordan. The king is in a very difficult situation having to rule over a majority of Palestinians and having the caliphate knocking on the doors. He's walking on egg shells.

I still think he, the king himself is an ally.

Oh, I agree completely.

Jordan is one of the key countries that is going to have to choose in the upcoming intra-Muslim war where he is going to side. Be eaten up from the inside or the outside? Not a fun position to be in.

 

[Shusha]

It is a security measure. You seem to mention those constantly. It seems you should have understood.

Interesting. So why do we need security from people who are praying? Are they calling down lightning bolts on disbelievers?

 

[aris2chat]

Most muslims are praying outside at the base of the mount.
A few are entering and praying on the mount.

Palestinians are only hurting themselves. Nothing says they have to pray in a mosque. Other muslims around the world go through metal detectors to pray regularly, even in Mecca.

If muslims don't want to pray on the mount, I'm sure jews and christian will want to.

I think all should pray there if they want, regardless of faith.

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world. Terrorist have made them a necessity.

aris2chat
How do You understand the situation, is King Abdullah II still an ally/partner for Israel?
I always thought of him as a reasonable leader

he is far more moderate than parliament, but he still has to cater somewhat to the mood of the masses

his grandfather was forced to abdicate

his great grandfather >>was shot while attending Friday prayers at Al-Aqsa Mosque in the company of his grandson, Prince Hussein. The Palestinian gunman fired three fatal bullets into the King's head and chest. Abdullah's grandson, Prince Hussein, was at his side and was hit too. <<

so.....he has to walk a fine line

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world.

Funny, until the Europeans stole Palestine, metal detectors where needed nowhere.

yeah and the terrorists he would be referring to is the mossad.

 

[Sixties Fan]

All of these arguments show that not only canMuslims visit the site when it is under non-Muslim rule, but they should visit it in spite of Israeli actions.

Today, the Palestinian and Jordanians are arguing the exact opposite of what their scholars said in 2012. No one is publicly disagreeing even though Jordan's own Islamic think tank argues the exact opposite in its own paper.

The politics come first, the religion comes later.

(full article online)

Muslim hypocrisy on Al Aqsa abounds ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The metal detectors have come down. Since this was never about metal detectors, it comes as no surprise that tensions have yet to subside.

Muslim leaders have instructed worshippers to continue to stay away from the Temple Mount. The Waqf, the Islamic Trust that governs the compound, says it will ‘conduct a study’ about restarting visits, with Sheikh Raed Dana saying, “We as Waqf listen to the street. The street says yes and we say yes; if the street says no, we will say no.” These are the words of a religions leadership that isn’t seeking to ease tensions, but rather further inflame them.

And what of the political leadership? President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party called for a day of rage and two days later a terrorist broke in the Salomon family home in Halamish and brutally murdered three members of the family. Afterwards, Fatah praisedthe attack, and issued a statement declaring, “[The] campaign for Jerusalem has effectively begun, and will not stop until a Palestinian victory and the release of the holy sites from Israeli occupation.”

Campaign for Jerusalem? Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are free. In fact, they are far freer to Muslims than to Jews. Any person of any religion can visit the Temple Mount, but only Muslims are permitted to pray atop the site.

To be clear, Muslims are free to worship however they please, while Jews are not afforded the same freedoms. To access the Temple Mount, non-Muslim visitors are subjected to security checks and forbidden from carrying religious items, not even prayer books or kippahs.

(full article online)

Getting Away With Murder: Palestinian Terrorism and the Culpability of the Int’l Community

 

[Sixties Fan]

• Crucially, and contrary to Palestinian claims, there has been no Israeli decision to ban Muslims from entering the Temple Mount. For the first time since 1967, the Palestinians are denying Muslim worshippers free access to the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
  
  
• The Palestinians and the Islamic religious authorities are protesting against security measures that are intended to save the lives of Muslim worshippers and prevent the desecration of their holy sites by terrorists and rioters. They are protesting because Israel is trying to make it hard for them to murder Jews.
  
  
• To clarify what is actually going on: it is not the security measures that really anger the Palestinians; for them, this crisis is not about a metal detector or a security camera. It is not the security measures that the Palestinians want dismantled. It is Israel that they want dismantled.
  
  (full article online)
  
  Palestinians: Metal Detectors or Lie Detectors - Who Is Violating What?