temple mount

[Eloy]

The Palestinian people see it differently to you and Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective leads to clashes.

The "Palestinians"see absolutely nothing.
They have seen as much as Arabs, Muslims, at anytime of their existence since the 7th Century CE, or the Palestinian existence since 1964 CE ...
They continue, to this day, to talk about retaking Andalusia and all other lands conquered by Muslims ...

Andalucía is safe in the hands of the Spanish Air Force.


F18 Hornet Tiger Spanish Demo Team

And to you, that is the point, from everything I wrote?

Would you answer the questions I put in my post?
About the Areas, the Oslo Accord, your knowledge about anything pertaining to them?

Lots of what you wrote has been covered in other topics.
My post is to highlight the expected trouble at the Noble Sanctuary in a matter of only hours from now and to give my take on it.

This is your perspective?

"The Palestinian people see it differently to you and Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective leads to clashes."

You have said absolutely nothing. And I do mean Nothing.

What you said in that sentence is as devoid of facts, as that article you chose to post.

Are you going to answer my questions about the article you chose to post, or are you just going to continue to run from discussing anything?

"Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective"

You are just as ignorant today as you were the day you were born.

Congratulations !

Forgive me for saying this but your posts will persuade no-one to change his mind.
You appear not to have read my comment after the quote I cited.
Instead you are insulting me. For what purpose?

 

[Coyote]

I'm pro-Palestinian...but it seems to me the outrage needs to be directed at those who perpetrated violence in their holy place.

 

[Coyote]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

 

[Roudy]

These are the "innocent" Palestinian "children" that Israel is accused of targeting and killing. LOL.

 

[Shusha]

The Palestinian people see it differently to you and Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective leads to clashes.

Different narratives can lead to all sorts of things: dialogue, compromise, mutual respect, learning, growth, understanding.

Different narratives do not necessarily lead to "clashes". You know what leads to "clashes" (and by "clashes" I mean law enforcement)? Violence. Violence leads to law enforcement.

The "Palestinian perspective" is that they are above the law. That the law should not apply to them. That they should be permitted, morally and legally, to use violence. That they should be permitted to kill people who don't follow their narrative. That their right to exclusive use of a (at best) shared holy site supersedes Israeli and Jewish right to life.

Let me really clear here:

No. Muslims do not have the right to exclusive use of the (shared) holy site.

No. Muslims do not have the right to exemptions from security practices.

No. Muslims do not have the right to smuggle weapons into holy places.

No. Muslims do not have the right to kill people.

No. Muslims do not have the right to riot.


Do you know what rights Arab Palestinian Muslims DO have? They have the right to religious freedom. Guaranteed by Israel in both word and deed. They have the right to life and protection from terrorists. Guaranteed by Israel in both word and deed.

 

[Shusha]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

 

[P F Tinmore]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

This is how much Eloy knows about the issue:

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank"

Fatah controls the "West Bank"?

All of it?

How about only areas A and B, as per the Oslo Accords of 1993 between Israel and the Arabs?

Here is a quick lesson:

Knowing your ABC

The differences between areas A, B and C, all pertaining to Judea and Samaria, are relatively simple.

Area A is the space in which the PA has political and military jurisdiction over its residents – all of whom are Arab.

This includes all of the major towns and their immediate environs – with the partial exception of Jewish Hebron, which came under exclusive Israeli control in the 1997 Hebron protocol between Israel and the PLO. This area comprises approximately 18 percent of Judea and Samaria’s land mass.

According to the Oslo Accords, the PA was never given jurisdiction over Israeli citizens and foreign nationals.

Israeli citizens have the right to enter and pass through Area A unmolested, provided that they are not involved in illicit activity, in which case the PA can only temporarily apprehend them until they are transferred to the Israeli authorities. Joint Israeli-PA patrols were intended to handle these cases.

THE NEXT letter in the alphabet signified less built-up areas, many of which shared their space with settlements created in the massive settlement drive in the 1980s launched by the Likud government. Area B comprises approximately 22% of Judea and Samaria.

In Area B, Israel and the PA share jurisdiction.

Israel enjoys exclusive jurisdiction over the Jewish inhabitants and exclusive authority over security for both its Arab and Jewish inhabitants. The PA has political, administrative and police jurisdiction over the Arab inhabitants. They are subject to its laws, pay the necessary taxes and benefit from the same public services the PA provides in Area A.

Strictly speaking, only the IDF and the Israel Police can make arrests in these areas.

MOST OF geographic Judea and Samaria (60% of the area) is designated Area C, over which Israel has exclusive jurisdiction both administratively and in security matters.

Area C’s distinguishing characteristic is that it is sparsely populated – by Arab or Jewish inhabitants.

Most of this area lies east of the populated mountain spine from Jenin in the north to Hebron in the south. The eastern slopes descending and including the Jordan Valley are characterized by harsh climate and low to no rainfall. The Jordan Valley, the South Hebron Hills and the area in the vicinity of Ma’aleh Adumim – from east of Mount Scopus to Jericho – are by far the most politically contested spaces in Area C, due to both Jewish settlement and Israeli security concerns.

IT IS clear that the alphabetic division of the area reflected Israeli geostrategic logic more than Palestinian interests and that Israel had the upper hand in the negotiation process.

The division was supposed to facilitate Israeli security control, while relieving Israel of the burden of caring for the area’s Arab inhabitants.

Before signing off on the formal division into areas A, B and C, it is important to note what was left out of the alphabet – the letter “J” for Jerusalem. The issue of Jerusalem in the relevant legal documents was mentioned only as one of five crucial issues that were to be resolved in the final talks.

This meant that Jerusalem remained formally under exclusive Israeli jurisdiction.

You are not criticizing my words since I was quoting from the news source red.24.

No, I was not criticizing your words. I was pointing out exactly what is written in that article, and you posted that article specifically for a reason.

There is no way that you do not believe what is written on it, or you would not have posted it.

You have no idea as to when Judea and Samaria were Judea and Samaria or when the name West Bank came to be used. Or do you?

Didi you know the meaning of areas A, B, and C?

Of the Oslo Accords?

The person who wrote that article certainly does not.

Oslo expired in 1999.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinian people see it differently to you and Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective leads to clashes.

Different narratives can lead to all sorts of things: dialogue, compromise, mutual respect, learning, growth, understanding.

Different narratives do not necessarily lead to "clashes". You know what leads to "clashes" (and by "clashes" I mean law enforcement)? Violence. Violence leads to law enforcement.

The "Palestinian perspective" is that they are above the law. That the law should not apply to them. That they should be permitted, morally and legally, to use violence. That they should be permitted to kill people who don't follow their narrative. That their right to exclusive use of a (at best) shared holy site supersedes Israeli and Jewish right to life.

Let me really clear here:

No. Muslims do not have the right to exclusive use of the (shared) holy site.

No. Muslims do not have the right to exemptions from security practices.

No. Muslims do not have the right to smuggle weapons into holy places.

No. Muslims do not have the right to kill people.

No. Muslims do not have the right to riot.


Do you know what rights Arab Palestinian Muslims DO have? They have the right to religious freedom. Guaranteed by Israel in both word and deed. They have the right to life and protection from terrorists. Guaranteed by Israel in both word and deed.

I think the problem they have is with foreign law enforcement.

 

[P F Tinmore]

To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.

Israel has NEVER relinquished sovereignty over the Temple Mount. Israel has generously and with great respect for Muslim sensitivities, permitted Jordan to have caretakership over the Temple Mount. If you read the treaty between Israel and Jordan, the "status quo" is a courtesy granted by Israel to Jordan. (Not to Palestinians -- to Jordan).

The salt on the open wound is the absolute gall that Palestinians should be permitted open and free access to a holy and sacred place for at LEAST two religions and bring violence and murder and bloodshed there. The salt on the open wound is the insistence on a continued state of apartheid on the Temple Mount wherein the treaty (international law!) is ignored in favour of Muslim exclusivity and discrimination against all other faiths, including the one from which the holy place was stolen. The salt on the wound is the very idea that protection from terrorists is an afront to Muslims. The salt on the wound is the ridiculous inversion of who is acting in a morally abhorrent fashion here.

The salt in the wound is that East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory.

 

[Eloy]

The Palestinian people see it differently to you and Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective leads to clashes.

Different narratives can lead to all sorts of things: dialogue, compromise, mutual respect, learning, growth, understanding.

Different narratives do not necessarily lead to "clashes". You know what leads to "clashes" (and by "clashes" I mean law enforcement)? Violence. Violence leads to law enforcement.

The "Palestinian perspective" is that they are above the law. That the law should not apply to them. That they should be permitted, morally and legally, to use violence. That they should be permitted to kill people who don't follow their narrative. That their right to exclusive use of a (at best) shared holy site supersedes Israeli and Jewish right to life.

Let me really clear here:

No. Muslims do not have the right to exclusive use of the (shared) holy site.

No. Muslims do not have the right to exemptions from security practices.

No. Muslims do not have the right to smuggle weapons into holy places.

No. Muslims do not have the right to kill people.

No. Muslims do not have the right to riot.


Do you know what rights Arab Palestinian Muslims DO have? They have the right to religious freedom. Guaranteed by Israel in both word and deed. They have the right to life and protection from terrorists. Guaranteed by Israel in both word and deed.

You misunderstood me again.
I wrote Israeli disregard for the Palestinian perspective leads to clashes, not the mere fact of different "narratives".

 

[Eloy]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Something tells me you understand pretty well.

 

[Hollie]

To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.

Israel has NEVER relinquished sovereignty over the Temple Mount. Israel has generously and with great respect for Muslim sensitivities, permitted Jordan to have caretakership over the Temple Mount. If you read the treaty between Israel and Jordan, the "status quo" is a courtesy granted by Israel to Jordan. (Not to Palestinians -- to Jordan).

The salt on the open wound is the absolute gall that Palestinians should be permitted open and free access to a holy and sacred place for at LEAST two religions and bring violence and murder and bloodshed there. The salt on the open wound is the insistence on a continued state of apartheid on the Temple Mount wherein the treaty (international law!) is ignored in favour of Muslim exclusivity and discrimination against all other faiths, including the one from which the holy place was stolen. The salt on the wound is the very idea that protection from terrorists is an afront to Muslims. The salt on the wound is the ridiculous inversion of who is acting in a morally abhorrent fashion here.

The salt in the wound is that East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory.

The salt in the wound is that Arabs-Moslems claim to an entitlement is met with a firm hand announcing they need to sit down and be silent.

 

[Indeependent]

Not reallly that simple. Bibi should have been standing with Abbas.

How so? Not sure I understand what you mean?

Something tells me you understand pretty well.

You have zero experiencial knowlwedge of the last 60 years.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[Arab Muslims still following Abbas and Hamas's incitement to attack Jews and "demand" that the Temple Mount be only Muslim. Yes, for Abbas as for Arafat, never mind the Oslo Accords which allowed the PA to exist. One wishes they were more like the Sheik in the 7th century. He knew of the importance of Jerusalem to the Jews and allowed them to return to the city and live there]

Amnesty International continued its anti-Israel bias, contradicting every non-Arab eyewitness account on the events on Thursday:

Israeli forces attacked peaceful crowds of Palestinians as they gathered at al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem this afternoon for the first time since Israel lifted recent security measures imposed at the site, according to Amnesty International staff at the scene.

“Israeli forces started firing stun grenades, tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets into a peaceful crowd as they stood at the entrance of the al-Aqsa mosque compound and inside. It appeared to be an entirely unprovoked attack. Some Palestinians threw empty water bottles in return. Others, began to throw stones as well,” said Magdalena Mughrabi, Deputy Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.

Freelance journalist Jake Hanrahan tweeted in response:

(vide tweet online)

Even Asaf Ronel, Haaretz' World News editor and an avowed anti-Zionist, took issue with this description:

(vide tweet online)

Amnesty's bias is even more egregious when you consider that for the past two weeks Israel has done everything it could to calm things down while the Palestinian leadership has done everything it could to inflame and incite.

Such background is irrelevant to Amnesty, which is wedded to its own anti-Israel narrative that trumps facts, so much so that it ignores proof that it is wrong.

Amnesty says Israel "attacked peaceful crowds" at Al Aqsa ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[aris2chat]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

 

[Eloy]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

 

[peach174]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

 

[Roudy]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

It isn't only about DNA. Israel has been the religious, ancestral, and cultural homeland of the Jews for the last four thousand years.

 

[Sixties Fan]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

All Israelis are home. It is the Ancient Jewish Homeland, where Judaism was born, where neighboring Nations acknowledged their existence for the past 3800 years, from ancient Egypt to the modern
British Empire.

It is where David and Solomon's Kingdoms were, as well as the other Jewish Kings.

When you do find some evidence of Arab Palestinian presence on the land at any time between the Philistines conquering the land, and the British and the allies defeating the invading, conquering Ottoman Empire in WWII, let me know.

I would like to see any book, document, escavation, etc which points to Arab "Palestinians" being called such, and not just Arabs, or after the 7th century, Muslims.

Prove to me that the Arab Palestinians really existed from time immemorial, as Abbas and other Arabs say, on ancient Canaan. Canaanites they are not, at all. And they know it.

So, where have the Arab Palestinians come from and what is their history on the land, as proven by the various invaders, conquerors, of that land for the past 4000 years?

The existence of the Hebrews, later known as Israelites and then Judeans, and later Jews, is well documented.

The fact that Jews never left their ancient homeland, that there was always a Jewish presence on the land, is well documented, especially by the Quran and other Muslim writings which tell how the Arabs met the indigenous Jewish People of the land and one Sheik even reopened Jerusalem to them in the 7th Century.
Something Christians did not allow, a continuation of what the Romans had done after the 70 CE revolt.


Too much information?

Or do you simply do not care?

Will never look any of this up?

Who stole what from whom, Elroy?
Who invaded who's land?

Let's see:

The Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, Muslims, Crusaders, Ottomans and the British who conquered the land at one point or another have acknowledged that the land belongs to the Jewish People.

Tell me Elroy, where did the Arab Palestinians come from?

 

[Sixties Fan]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

The Middle East is a big place. It includes Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Arabia.

DNA is specific as to which place people's ancestors came from.

The DNA points out that Jews come from where the Land of Israel is, including TranJordan, which is also ancient Jewish Homeland.

The DNA points out that Assyrians come from Syria.

The DNA points out that Arabs come from the Arabian Peninsula.

So on and so forth.

Why generalize something which cannot be generalized?

Do you think that those who are indigenous of the British Islands
are going to have their DNA say that they are from Germany, when the German invasion, or even Queen Victoria's marriage to Prince Albert came much later?

Do you understand what I am saying?