temple mount

[louie888]

Yeah, because Arab Muslims never oppressed and persecuted Jews prior to Israel, they never invaded, looted, killed raped or forced their religion, culture, and language down people's throats at the point of a sword either. It's all because of Israel or the Jews. Now take you meds and go to your white padded room.

Do you find it even a little bit odd that you always try and compare israel to the lowest common denominator?

 

[Eloy]

Mahmoud Abbas freezes contact with Israel

Note: Forgive me for posting in this thread about the Hindu Kush and South Africa but the title of this discussion is about the Temple Mount and the tension sparked by metal detectors.

It is reported by the Independent that Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), which controls the West Bank, made an announcement of freezing contact with Israel during a meeting late on Friday. Abbas was having the meeting with senior Palestinian officials to discuss the growing escalation over the Temple Mount which saw the deaths of three Palestinians earlier in the day.
Palestinian President Abbas freezes contact with Israel

Abbas and his PLO Administration have long been collaborators with the Israeli occupation in particular how the West Bank, except annexed East Jerusalem, is policed and for this the Israelis bankroll the Palestinian Authority. Undoubtedly, taking money from the Israelis to pay for the Palestinian police and the lifestyle of the PLO leaders in Ramallah has made collaboration lucrative so there is a sense of desperation involved with a freeze and how it might affect the bank accounts of the PLO leaders and paying off their police.

What might be happening is the realization by Abbas that the mass protests by Palestinians against perceived encroachment of the Israelis on the holy site of the Al Aqsa Mosque is an indication that he is losing control of the Palestinian popular agenda that is at odds with his collaborative government. In which case, the so-called freezing of contact might turn-out to be only talk.

 

[Shusha]

Interesting quote from an Arab Palestinian Muslim:

Its our mosque, but they are making it look like a checkpoint.

1. While it may be your mosque, it is (at the least) ALSO a Jewish holy place.
2. Its now a checkpoint because of YOUR actions. You bear responsibility for the changes.

 

[Shusha]

Is anybody killing each other and destabilizing the world over those other religious places?

Houses of worship can be built anywhere. This is not one of those. The Mount is the ruins of the foundation of a building, and because a bunch of people think it's magical they've slaughtered each other over multiple millenia. Obliterating it would be a mercy to them.

From a theological perspective, it is impossible to obliterate the site. The site is not important to either religion because of a building, or a wall or a ruin or a foundation. The site is holy to Jews because it is the one place on earth where the Shechinah (the spirit of G-d) rests. The site is holy to Muslims because it is the place where Mohammed ascended to heaven. You can blow a hole into the place the size of Manhattan and it would still be these things.

You have to ask yourself, instead, WHY this is such a place of contention.

 

[Shusha]

Another interesting comment:

In (Arab Palestinian Muslim) eyes, Al-Aqsa is far more than a national or religious symbol; the Temple Mount is also a private place where they feel somewhat free of the occupation. Most of the day there is no Israeli presence there.

This underscores the true foundation of the conflict, which has nothing to do with prayer or holy places or freedom of religion. It has to do with creating Jew-free spaces.

 

[yiostheoy]

Most muslims are praying outside at the base of the mount.
A few are entering and praying on the mount.

Palestinians are only hurting themselves. Nothing says they have to pray in a mosque. Other muslims around the world go through metal detectors to pray regularly, even in Mecca.

If muslims don't want to pray on the mount, I'm sure jews and christian will want to.

I think all should pray there if they want, regardless of faith.

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world. Terrorist have made them a necessity.

If you have not been up there you should go visit one of these days.

That big mosque over that white rock takes up a lot of space.

They should demolish it and make more room for the tourists.

The rag heads can go to Mecca if they want to worship Allah.

 

[yiostheoy]

How can I not care? Because of a bunch of magical beliefs, my country has been in an endless war in the wastelands of the Middle East for decades. People in my country have been slaughtered, and my country has slaughtered a bunch of people because groups of people with magical beliefs claim some insignificant ruins are theirs. Because some magical being gave it to them.

You say I'm ignorant of people taking away from others what they want for themselves? Every square foot of land on the planet has been conquered multiple times by people who wanted what was not theirs. These magical ruins are not special. If taking them away stops the violence, then it's worth it. When 2 kids are fighting over a toy, you take it from them. Especially if they're trying to kill each other over it.

We The World should send all rag-heads back to Rag-Land where they can walk in circles around Mecca.

All Rags Out Of Israel.

 

[fanger]

 

[Hollie]

Interesting quote from an Arab Palestinian Muslim:

Its our mosque, but they are making it look like a checkpoint.

1. While it may be your mosque, it is (at the least) ALSO a Jewish holy place.
2. Its now a checkpoint because of YOUR actions. You bear responsibility for the changes.

It is ironic that Moslems will seethe about the security measures now in place when, as noted, it was their careless disregard for history, tradition and human life that required the security measures.

This should surprise no one however. When Moslems aren't using mosques as targets to slaughter other Moslems, their using the mosques as places for terrorism planning and logistics.

 

[aris2chat]

how is it that a people forced to leave their homeland, keep their faith and marry other jews become european?
they are still jews from Israel/Judea, their homeland

Today palestinias, some third and forth generation, still call themselves palestinian even though they are born and raised in other countries. Many live in Europe or the US

Why are jews different?

 

[montelatici]

Another interesting comment:

In (Arab Palestinian Muslim) eyes, Al-Aqsa is far more than a national or religious symbol; the Temple Mount is also a private place where they feel somewhat free of the occupation. Most of the day there is no Israeli presence there.

This underscores the true foundation of the conflict, which has nothing to do with prayer or holy places or freedom of religion. It has to do with creating Jew-free spaces.

When the Jews are armed, periodically murder your children, and are effectively jailers, you're darn right they would appreciate a Jew-free space. Just as the Jews would have appreciated a Nazi free space in the 30s and 40s.

 

[montelatici]

how is it that a people forced to leave their homeland, keep their faith and marry other jews become european?
they are still jews from Israel/Judea, their homeland

Today palestinias, some third and forth generation, still call themselves palestinian even though they are born and raised in other countries. Many live in Europe or the US

Why are jews different?

They didn't marry other Jews, that's a myth. Europeans converted to Judaism.

European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree
By NICHOLAS WADEOCT. 8, 2013

".....the four major Ashkenazi lineages in fact form clusters within descent lines that were established in Europe some 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. The same is true of most of the minor lineages....Overall, at least 80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe"

Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree

 

[louie888]

Another interesting comment:

In (Arab Palestinian Muslim) eyes, Al-Aqsa is far more than a national or religious symbol; the Temple Mount is also a private place where they feel somewhat free of the occupation. Most of the day there is no Israeli presence there.

This underscores the true foundation of the conflict, which has nothing to do with prayer or holy places or freedom of religion. It has to do with creating Jew-free spaces.

When the Jews are armed, periodically murder your children, and are effectively jailers, you're darn right they would appreciate a Jew-free space. Just as the Jews would have appreciated a Nazi free space in the 30s and 40s.

It are simple truths like these that are lost on shusha and her ilk and the reason is simple. The narrative must come first and truth must be damned.

 

[Hollie]

Another interesting comment:

In (Arab Palestinian Muslim) eyes, Al-Aqsa is far more than a national or religious symbol; the Temple Mount is also a private place where they feel somewhat free of the occupation. Most of the day there is no Israeli presence there.

This underscores the true foundation of the conflict, which has nothing to do with prayer or holy places or freedom of religion. It has to do with creating Jew-free spaces.

When the Jews are armed, periodically murder your children, and are effectively jailers, you're darn right they would appreciate a Jew-free space. Just as the Jews would have appreciated a Nazi free space in the 30s and 40s.

What a buffoon. A Jew-free space, anywhere in the vicinity of islamics is enshrined in the hate and war manual of muhammedan'ism. Jew hatred is reflected throughout the koran.

Jew hatred (annihilation of the Jewish people and Israel), is featured prominently in the Hamas charter.

 

[fncceo]

Jew Free Space ...

 

[louie888]

Jew hatred (annihilation of the Jewish people and Israel), is featured prominently in the Hamas charter.

And all over the world now...
Israel Most Negative Ratings in BBC Global Poll

 

[montelatici]

Jew Free Space ...

Trump voters.

 

[Hollie]

Another interesting comment:

In (Arab Palestinian Muslim) eyes, Al-Aqsa is far more than a national or religious symbol; the Temple Mount is also a private place where they feel somewhat free of the occupation. Most of the day there is no Israeli presence there.

This underscores the true foundation of the conflict, which has nothing to do with prayer or holy places or freedom of religion. It has to do with creating Jew-free spaces.

When the Jews are armed, periodically murder your children, and are effectively jailers, you're darn right they would appreciate a Jew-free space. Just as the Jews would have appreciated a Nazi free space in the 30s and 40s.

It are simple truths like these that are lost on shusha and her ilk and the reason is simple. The narrative must come first and truth must be damned.

"It are simple truths...."

Please....please, Habib. Tell me you will avoid attempting to string words together into a coherent sentence. Even if you won't, lie to me and tell me you will.

 

[Hollie]

Jew hatred (annihilation of the Jewish people and Israel), is featured prominently in the Hamas charter.

And all over the world now...
Israel Most Negative Ratings in BBC Global Poll

Not necessarily.


All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

 

[BlackFlag]

Is anybody killing each other and destabilizing the world over those other religious places?

Houses of worship can be built anywhere. This is not one of those. The Mount is the ruins of the foundation of a building, and because a bunch of people think it's magical they've slaughtered each other over multiple millenia. Obliterating it would be a mercy to them.

From a theological perspective, it is impossible to obliterate the site. The site is not important to either religion because of a building, or a wall or a ruin or a foundation. The site is holy to Jews because it is the one place on earth where the Shechinah (the spirit of G-d) rests. The site is holy to Muslims because it is the place where Mohammed ascended to heaven. You can blow a hole into the place the size of Manhattan and it would still be these things.

You have to ask yourself, instead, WHY this is such a place of contention.

The only thing I need to ask myself is why the U.S. spends billions of dollars and massive manpower trying to keep children from fighting over a magical toy.

I say turn the place into a crater. If the children still want to kill each other over it, then fine. Let's call it an experiment.