temple mount

[montelatici]

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world.

Funny, until the Europeans stole Palestine, metal detectors where needed nowhere.

Ottomans invited jews to move to the sanjuk of Jerusalem and Nablus in 1839. Metal detectors were not made commercially till 1931, and those were the kind for finding coins not guns.

You are a pip

Why do you constantly make up stories or repeat propaganda you have heard but never checked out if it was true. The propaganda that claims the Ottomans invited the Jews to settle in Palestine is a lie. In fact, the complete opposite is true. The Ottomans specifically prohibited the Jews from settling in Palestine.

http://ismi.emory.edu/home/documents/Readings/Mandel, Neville J. Ottoman Policy.pdf

 

[montelatici]

Are you suggesting that the Vatican, the place in Mecca, Buddhist Temples, and every other religious places be demolished?

It then goes to follow, that every Synagogue, Church and Mosque, plus Hindu, Buddhist, and other houses of worship should be destroyed, banned from being built.

Is anybody killing each other and destabilizing the world over those other religious places?

Houses of worship can be built anywhere. This is not one of those. The Mount is the ruins of the foundation of a building, and because a bunch of people think it's magical they've slaughtered each other over multiple millenia. Obliterating it would be a mercy to them.

Of course you do not know what the history of the place is.
Of course you do not know what the aim of Islam, and of Christianity have been for the past 1700 years.

As you do not know what their goal is, it does not matter to you if the Jews fight, like any other indigenous people in the world, for the right to what is theirs.

What is the Muslim final goal for Jerusalem, the Temple Mount, the Cave of the Patriarchs and all the other Jewish holy sites, AND what is now Israel?

It does not matter to you and all others who are ignorant of facts and were taught not to care about Jews or Judaism.

This is not about you being "concerned" about people being murdered. Not at all.

You are way too ignorant to know what it is that you are truly concerned about, in comparison to all other people attempting to take away, or already have taken away from other people what they want for themselves.

Tibet
Western Sahara
North of Cyprus
Crimea and Ukraine

All unimportant to all who wish to focus on the most BSed cause in the world which has been turned upside down since the Jews managed to become legally sovereign of a small part of their ancient homeland.

Thanks for not caring.

How can I not care? Because of a bunch of magical beliefs, my country has been in an endless war in the wastelands of the Middle East for decades. People in my country have been slaughtered, and my country has slaughtered a bunch of people because groups of people with magical beliefs claim some insignificant ruins are theirs. Because some magical being gave it to them.

You say I'm ignorant of people taking away from others what they want for themselves? Every square foot of land on the planet has been conquered multiple times by people who wanted what was not theirs. These magical ruins are not special. If taking them away stops the violence, then it's worth it. When 2 kids are fighting over a toy, you take it from them. Especially if they're trying to kill each other over it.

Was it out of "Magical Beliefs" that the US entered the following wars:

WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam

Has it been out of some "magical beliefs" that the US has also entered into conflicts in Bosnia or any other for the past century?

The US, just like Russia, Iran, Turkey, the UK and many other countries have their own interest on any part of the world.

It has always been that way, and nothing is going to stop it.
Commercial, territorial interests have always been at the bottom as to why so many of these powerful countries attempt to side with one or the other.

The Temple Mount, Jerusalem and all of the Jewish Homeland belongs to the Jewish People.

They were invaded, oppressed and killed over and over again by Christian and Muslim forces.

The Jews had the guts to fight for what is theirs, and especially to do it legally even before WWI.

Christians and Muslims who have been taught to hate Jews because of the stories they are told, are the problem. Always has been.

So, the question should really be :

How can the world make Christian and Muslim extremists stop demanding what is not theirs, lie about it as if it was theirs, and manage to get support for their deadly intentions when it comes to the Jewish People.

Were it Muslim against Muslim, or Christian against Christian, there would not be the endless lies, the endless attacks on Jews and those who support Jews and Israel.

French and British One Hundred Year War?
When was anyone saying that any of the toys they were after should be destroyed or taken from them?

WWI?
WWII? What did the Nazis want? How much did they get which was not theirs, as they did in WWII?

Do you know who the rightful indigenous people of the land are?

Does it matter to you that the Muslims are after subjugating the Jews again, and always, as they did for 1300 years after they invaded the Jewish homeland and turned all living there into subjects to Islam? With no rights? Just as the Africans were seen as non humans by the European slave masters?

Jews and Muslims are not fighting over a "toy".

The Jews are fighting for survival, for having the right to their homeland (even if 80% was illegally given away to the Arabs/Muslims)

The Arabs were partners with the Nazis before and after WWII.
It was Arab Nazis who expelled Jews from their homes in Arab conquered lands, post 1948.

Islam and the Germans have a culture of conquest, of destroying people.

Islamic extremists are not going to be content until all of Israel is destroyed.

That, and not some "toy" is what the conflict is about.

Bring the Jews back to the Islamic preferred form of being. (Dhimmis)

The words the Muslims would use when thinking of all non Muslims, and even Muslims who do not agree with them is:

Not Equal.

Infidels are everyone who does not agree with their idea that Islam is the Replacement religion for all the people of the world. Including other Muslims.

It's amazing how much propaganda and lies the 60s nutter can get into one post. The European Jews stole the land from the native Christian and Muslim inhabitants, colonizing it. The European Jews are no more indigenous to Palestine than Inuits. The Israeli Jews are today's Nazis holding millions of non-Jews in concentration camps.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world.

Funny, until the Europeans stole Palestine, metal detectors where needed nowhere.

Ottomans invited jews to move to the sanjuk of Jerusalem and Nablus in 1839. Metal detectors were not made commercially till 1931, and those were the kind for finding coins not guns.

You are a pip

Why do you constantly make up stories or repeat propaganda you have heard but never checked out if it was true. The propaganda that claims the Ottomans invited the Jews to settle in Palestine is a lie. In fact, the complete opposite is true. The Ottomans specifically prohibited the Jews from settling in Palestine.


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http://ismi.emory.edu/home/documents/Readings/Mandel, Neville J. Ottoman Policy.pdf

TelAviv = Built by Jews by 1909.
By Jews who bought land from Muslims and "settled" Palestine

Just one of the examples of many Jews who returned to their ancient homeland and bought land and built cities and infrastructure on the land of their ancestors with the intention of becoming sovereign over their own ancient homeland.

 

[montelatici]

Palestine is no more the ancient homeland of European Jews, than it is to European Christians. Converting to a religion does not make one indigenous to the location where the religion was established.

Europeans "bought" less than 10% of the land in Palestine from the Christian and Muslim owners. 90% of the land was owned by Christians and Muslims until 1948, when the Jews stole the land from them.

 

[Roudy]

Metal detectors are away of life at religious sites around the world.

Funny, until the Europeans stole Palestine, metal detectors where needed nowhere.

I know, maybe that's why Muslims tried to blow up the grand mosque in Mecca, eh? It was because of the Europeans.

 

[Roudy]

There is no conflict about who can go to the Vatican.

There were no Jews to oppress in Palestine for 1,300 years. The Muslims oppressed the Christian inhabitants after they conquered Christian Palestine, until most Christians converted to Islam. In fact, Jews were able to visit Jerusalem only after the Muslims conquered Palestine. Under Roman rule, Jews were not permitted to enter Aelia Capitolina (Roman name of Jerusalem), as it was the most important Christian Holy Site at the time.

The Jews began their invasion from Europe in the mid 1800s.

Just imagine all the wealth the Vatican holds from centuries of genocide, invasions, oppression, theft, and raping young boys.

 

[MJB12741]

Actually, the Jewish people never invaded the Turkish controlled land area called Pal'istan or your mythical, invented "country of Pal'istan".

It's a shame you are so profoundly ignorant of history.

Actually, they did and almost exterminated the entire native population in the process.

Since they don't teach you people history at your temple, allow me to lend a hand.

...the ethnic cleansing was put into effect through systematic expulsions of about 500 Arab villages, as well as terrorist attacks executed mainly by members of the Irgun and Haganah troops against the civilian population.
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Wikipedia

OUTSTANDING POINT! So tell us you Zionists, what about Israel's "ETHNIC CLEANSING" of the Palestinians.


In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left. It's a GENOCIDE I tell ya. And if you don't believe me, just ask any Palestinian supporter.

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

 

[shimon]

Palestine is no more the ancient homeland of European Jews, than it is to European Christians. Converting to a religion does not make one indigenous to the location where the religion was established.

Europeans "bought" less than 10% of the land in Palestine from the Christian and Muslim owners. 90% of the land was owned by Christians and Muslims until 1948, when the Jews stole the land from them.

If the Palestinians are of Arab descent as they contend then their original homeland is Arabia is it not are they not interlopers by your logic as well... If people of Arab descent from Arabia convert to Christian or Muslim religions did they not come in and steal the land from someone previously...Your argument is circular and can be used against you...Land is bought and sold and conquered all the time people are removed justly or unjustly constantly there is not one nation on earth that is not guilty of this by you singling out the Jews only you are showing your true colours...At one time this land belonged to the Jews and they have never not lived there in one form or another by your denying their right their even though many of the Jews are from former Muslim countries where they were kicked out of ... You only point your finger at Jews of European descent what of Jews of Iraqi,Yemeni, Syrian, Egyptian etc etc descent... You sir are showing your true colours..

 

[louie888]

If the Palestinians are of Arab descent as they contend then their original homeland is Arabia...

And the zionist jews creating all the trouble over the last several decades are from Europe.

Next.

 

[Hollie]

If the Palestinians are of Arab descent as they contend then their original homeland is Arabia...

And the zionist jews creating all the trouble over the last several decades are from Europe.

Next.

Silence third-worlder.

You're clueless.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tens of thousands of faithful Muslims pack Jerusalem’s al-Aqsa mosque every week. Things have been particularly tense in the holy site this week, after Palestinian terrorists murdered two Israeli police officers last Friday. Israel responded by putting up metal detectors, an act that led thousands of Palestinians to riot and assualt Israeli soldiers with rocks, bottles, and clubs.

What could make folks gathered for prayer so rowdy? Listen in on some of the mosque’s sermons, and the answer becomes painfully obvious.

“The Israelites,” roared Khaled al-Mughrabi, one of al-Aqsa’s top preachers, in the summer of 2015, “have a holiday, Passover. Every holiday, each group would look for a small child. They would kidnap the child, steal him, and put him inside a barrel, called ‘the barrel of nails.’ They would put the small child inside the barrel, and his body would be pierced by the nails. At the bottom of the barrel they would put a faucet, and that faucet would run with the boy’s blood. This is because Satan demanded of them, in return to doing everything they want, that they eat bread kneaded with the blood of children.”

When they’re not ritually slaughtering babes, Mughrabi said on other occasions, the Jews have a full agenda of evil: they’re the real culprits behind the 9/11 attacks, are planning to take over the world, and are actual blood-drinking vampires, which is why the industry they control, Hollywood, loves making so many movies about the Jew Dracula.

Not to be outdone, Ekrima Sa’id Sabri, the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, is fond of using the mosque to talk about one of his favorite topics, the Holocaust. Which, to hear the renowned sheikh tell it, never happened. “Six million Jews dead? No way, they were much fewer,” he told an interviewer. “Let’s stop with this fairytale exploited by Israel to capture international solidarity. It is not my fault if Hitler hated Jews, indeed they were hated a little everywhere.”

Who can free the world of such malicious people as the Jews? Omar Abu-Sarah, another of al-Aqsa’s chief preachers, has a clear idea: ISIS. “I say to the Jews loud and clear: The time for your slaughter has come,” he said in one typical sermon. The time to fight you has come. The time to kill you has come, Allah willing. We are ready for the task, we and the loyal and faithful Muslims, along with the armies of the state of the Islamic Caliphate.”

Other examples of rampant incitement abound. Unless they’re stopped, the likelihood of a bloody conflagration is very high. And stopping them should be the priority not only of Jews but of peaceful Muslims as well, who would likely be appalled if they knew that one of their religion’s holiest sites was being desecrated by deranged bigots who’ve hijacked the pulpit and use it to spread hate.


The Palestinian Mountain of Hate

 

[Sixties Fan]

WATCH: What's Really Happening at Judaism's Holiest Site? | United with Israel

 

[Hossfly]

Palestine is no more the ancient homeland of European Jews, than it is to European Christians. Converting to a religion does not make one indigenous to the location where the religion was established.

Europeans "bought" less than 10% of the land in Palestine from the Christian and Muslim owners. 90% of the land was owned by Christians and Muslims until 1948, when the Jews stole the land from them.

If the Palestinians are of Arab descent as they contend then their original homeland is Arabia is it not are they not interlopers by your logic as well... If people of Arab descent from Arabia convert to Christian or Muslim religions did they not come in and steal the land from someone previously...Your argument is circular and can be used against you...Land is bought and sold and conquered all the time people are removed justly or unjustly constantly there is not one nation on earth that is not guilty of this by you singling out the Jews only you are showing your true colours...At one time this land belonged to the Jews and they have never not lived there in one form or another by your denying their right their even though many of the Jews are from former Muslim countries where they were kicked out of ... You only point your finger at Jews of European descent what of Jews of Iraqi,Yemeni, Syrian, Egyptian etc etc descent... You sir are showing your true colours..

 

[Dan Stubbs]

The world would be better off if the "temple mount" were demolished. Religious madness should not be encouraged.

Are you suggesting that the Vatican, the place in Mecca, Buddhist Temples, and every other religious places be demolished?

It then goes to follow, that every Synagogue, Church and Mosque, plus Hindu, Buddhist, and other houses of worship should be destroyed, banned from being built.

But you are referring only to the Holiest site in Judaism, which the Muslim are attempting to deny the Jewish People, as well as all Jerusalem, and the rest of the Jewish Homeland.

You are not aware of the issues, therefore "destroying" a site holy mostly to Jews.....is an acceptable step for you.

You are not aware of 1300 years of Jews being oppressed by the Muslims on their own Ancient Homeland, and the Muslims never, ever caring for Jerusalem, the Temple Mount or any other Jewish Holy Site during that time.

You do not seem to be aware that it was only after the Jews achieved sovereignty over a small part of their homeland, that the Muslims began to call Jerusalem and the Temple Mount "the third holiest site in Islam", in order to take it away from the Jews.

Now, do you have something substantial to provide as a solution to the issue for possible discussion?

I say Holy sites are all over the world, some with a buildings some with a rock. I don't really care. most are not of much interest and are just a focal point for those who need something material to focus on. Most people need this just for support. We are a weak race The weak are weak minded and follow blindly leaders who guide their thoughts and actions. The Leaders are evil and in some cases at least try to do what is right and in some cases mess up that they touch. Only on exceptional time does one great leader happen. Evil point a finger at the good in all cases. I say if you don't have a god or drug that you live with then you are lost to the game a life. There are many sad people who are in need that are in pain and mental conditions that do not receive help because of the Leaders and those who speak and act in their name. So enough said.

 

[shimon]

If the Palestinians are of Arab descent as they contend then their original homeland is Arabia...

And the zionist jews creating all the trouble over the last several decades are from Europe.

Next.

Oh I see I stand corrected then...Zionist Jews are causing all the troubles all over ...Not Arabizized Muslims ... You don't see the silliness of your argument...Wasn't there plenty of troubles in most of the Middle East after Arab and Muslim nationalism reemerged...Aren't the Muslims who hold huge tracts of land and countries using their territories to increase control all over the world and yet you point your finger at a small little group in a small little area of the world...Have you ever seem a clam get all irritated by a speck of sand..The clam spends tremendous amounts of energy to make that irritant go away and yet something beautiful comes out of it called a pearl...In order to get to that pearl the clam itself must die is that what you wish for the Arabs to get rid of their irritant little Israel that speck of sand...Israel is the pearl and the Jews have made it out of that little speck of sand the Arabs are helping the Jews build a better pearl and are being shut out by their actions instead of embracing it and enjoying the beauty that that pearl has to offer...

 

[louie888]

Oh I see I stand corrected then...Zionist Jews are causing all the troubles all over ...Not Arabizized Muslims ...

One down.

 

[Hossfly]

Oh I see I stand corrected then...Zionist Jews are causing all the troubles all over ...Not Arabizized Muslims ...

One down.

shimon is causing you to look like a blithering idiot. IMHO

 

[shimon]

Oh I see I stand corrected then...Zionist Jews are causing all the troubles all over ...Not Arabizized Muslims ...

One down.

There was a song written about you Louie in the 70's It is titled something like Louie Are you gonna Cry? Or something thereabouts... Why are you shrilly Crying about Little Israel what is your motivation to be pointing your finger in their direction all the time...Is this the only injustice you see if that is the case you better take your Blinders " DOWN " because it is you that will be going DOWN with the ship not I....

 

[montelatici]

If the Palestinians are of Arab descent as they contend then their original homeland is Arabia...

And the zionist jews creating all the trouble over the last several decades are from Europe.

Next.

Oh I see I stand corrected then...Zionist Jews are causing all the troubles all over ...Not Arabizized Muslims ... You don't see the silliness of your argument...Wasn't there plenty of troubles in most of the Middle East after Arab and Muslim nationalism reemerged...Aren't the Muslims who hold huge tracts of land and countries using their territories to increase control all over the world and yet you point your finger at a small little group in a small little area of the world...Have you ever seem a clam get all irritated by a speck of sand..The clam spends tremendous amounts of energy to make that irritant go away and yet something beautiful comes out of it called a pearl...In order to get to that pearl the clam itself must die is that what you wish for the Arabs to get rid of their irritant little Israel that speck of sand...Israel is the pearl and the Jews have made it out of that little speck of sand the Arabs are helping the Jews build a better pearl and are being shut out by their actions instead of embracing it and enjoying the beauty that that pearl has to offer...

Let's say that if the European Zionists had not colonized Palestine, many problems that have evolved from that colonization would not have evolved. For example, the West (thru association with Britain and the UK) would not be as hated by the Muslims had the West (the British) not facilitated the colonization through force of arms used to prevent the Muslims and Christians from achieving self-determination in palestine.

 

[louie888]

Oh I see I stand corrected then...Zionist Jews are causing all the troubles all over ...Not Arabizized Muslims ...

One down.

There was a song written about you Louie in the 70's It is titled something like Louie Are you gonna Cry? Or something thereabouts... Why are you shrilly Crying about Little Israel what is your motivation to be pointing your finger in their direction all the time...Is this the only injustice you see if that is the case you better take your Blinders " DOWN " because it is you that will be going DOWN with the ship not I....

While small in size, siding with her has brought hatred from the rest of the world, let alone, her agents wield too much power in America and they are destroying our freedoms here from within...

The US is about to make it a felony to support BDS! No, I'm not making this up!