Teen fatally shot on way to school

[Wry Catcher]

WTF? Think about it (it has nothing to do with the murder of the child, it has to do with your rant!)

Several years ago my door bell rang and a neighbor I didn't know - he lived behind our home - barged in. You would have shot and killed him, being an armed paranoid. I simply stopped him with an open hand to the chest, and said in so many words, "What's up"?

It turned out his cat had gotten under our house and he was trying to rescue it.

Luck for him a gun nut didn't live in my home, lucky for you, you haven't shot some kid trick or treating.

BTW, my LE experience suggests to me you're a punk. I can remember the bravado from my early years of tough guys, safely secured in the back seat cage, not much different than the punks on this message board safely secured behind their keyboard.

Trick or treat is one night per year, idiot.

Regarding your neighbor anecdote... Lucky for you, it was just a neighbor looking for his cat.

Yes he's lucky he didn't barge into my house. He most likely would have died BECAUSE HE ENTERED MY HOUSE WITHOUT PERMISSION. Anyone who does that, I would have to assume, is up to no good. At the least he is after my property At most, he is after my family.
I am a husband and a father and grandfather. I have a personal responsibility to keep my family safe. I take that responsibility very seriously.

Just remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

I've never before met a LEO so terrified by guns. Makes me think that you're f... .. ....

Nice try, I too am a father, a parent and have never been terrified by guns and nothing I posted has suggested that to be true.

The trick or treating comment was based on the murder by a gun owner who shot and killed a kid on Halloween. I have other anecdotes of murders too, one sticks out when an older man shot at a car full of kids who were knocking down mail boxes with a baseball bat - one shot found its mark and a 16 year old white, Catholic student from a local Catholic High School Died.

The man, in his 60's was tried, convicted of Second Degree Murder and sent to prison; he was not a criminal before he acted, he is today.

You response is typical of someone unwilling or unable to respond or rebut my post. Your rights (in your mind) are more important than the life of another, so much so that you reject even a discussion on efforts which might keep guns out of the hand of those who are not sober, sane, responsible, and suggest you are willing (eager?) to prove your manhood from a dozen or more feet away.

Thus, as I suspected an intelligent debate with you is beyond hope.

Your posts are generally unworthy of rebuttal. Halloween anecdotes... We can all find an anecdote to support our position.
You cite 2 out of 40 or 50 million legal gun owners and call that intelligent debate?
My point is that the vast majority of gun deaths are committed by people who shouldn't already own guns.
Not that I advocate this, but if you could somehow remove all guns in the hands of blacks in this country, you would cut gun deaths in half.
Drastic measure, right? Illegal, right? A violation of Constitutional rights, right? But it WOULD be effective. Further limiting the rights of law abiding citizens WOULD NOT be effective as shown by myriad attempts to control criminals with laws that infringe on the rights of non criminals.

Wow.

Thus, as I suspected an intelligent debate with you is beyond hope.

I really was caught speechless. Adding race to a discussion on a debate on gun control may enamor you to the racists, but it has no place in an intelligent debate on overall gun violence in America.

There are factors beyond homicide statistics and race which are considered in an intelligent discussion, that race came to your mind right away suggest more to me than I'm willing to share. Hopefully no black youngster will not knock on your door any day soon.

 

[2aguy]

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

I heard John Lott interviewed on the Dana Loesch radio show at the 2015 SHOT show...he told about a senior citizen who had a misdemeanor in his 20s, went to buy a gun for his wife....filled out the paperwork forgetting he had the misdemeanor, and got himself arrested for perjury on the gun form.....the antis will do anything to make it harder for people to protect themselves....

I suppose it's a good thing not to forget an arrest. If it was only one, that's kind of hard to forget. I also doubt a Petty Theft or FTA on an infraction would lead to a felony charge - well unless there is institutional racism or a failure of the attitude test.

The old guy had plead to a misdemeanor charge for a fight he got into with his brother on their front lawn......the felony came in when he signed and submitted the federal gun form having checked the box that asked if you had ever been convicted of a misdemeanor....he checked no......

 

[Wry Catcher]

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

I heard John Lott interviewed on the Dana Loesch radio show at the 2015 SHOT show...he told about a senior citizen who had a misdemeanor in his 20s, went to buy a gun for his wife....filled out the paperwork forgetting he had the misdemeanor, and got himself arrested for perjury on the gun form.....the antis will do anything to make it harder for people to protect themselves....

I suppose it's a good thing not to forget an arrest. If it was only one, that's kind of hard to forget. I also doubt a Petty Theft or FTA on an infraction would lead to a felony charge - well unless there is institutional racism or a failure of the attitude test.

The old guy had plead to a misdemeanor charge for a fight he got into with his brother on their front lawn......the felony came in when he signed and submitted the federal gun form having checked the box that asked if you had ever been convicted of a misdemeanor....he checked no......

He lied. Your point?

 

[Politico]

But, but, but it is the right of the shooter to own, possess and have in his or her custody and control the gun used to shoot and kill. Don't you know the 2nd A. is sacrosanct, an no amount of murder, carnage or the death of children will ever convince elected officials dependent on the NRA to fund their campaign to ever consider gun control.

What's more important to an elected official, his or her reelection, or the life of a child?

In all practicality that shooter had no right to own, possess or have that gun.

Get real.

It happened in New York. Almost no one does there.

The question is why was this kid shot? Until we know his name and more info as to what he was involved in we can't make a determination.