Teen fatally shot on way to school

[Delta4Embassy]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

 

[2aguy]

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

a hunter does not need them

Why are you even a member of a message board the discusses US politics? Why would you presume to tell someone in a foreign country how to run their homeland?

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

But the Jews in Germany in the 1930s could have used a whole bunch of them.....dittos all the countries invaded, occupied and brutalized by the Germans.....the German army sure had a lot of them......

And in the week commemorating the liberation of the nazi death camps.....let's never forget....we know exactly what happens to a disarmed people when the government decides to murder them......just look at the history of the world....plenty of examples.....

How about we try arming the people before the government turns bad....and see if that changes the equation........and saves lives.....

 

[Wry Catcher]

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

a hunter does not need them

Why are you even a member of a message board the discusses US politics? Why would you presume to tell someone in a foreign country how to run their homeland?

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

But the Jews in Germany in the 1930s could have used a whole bunch of them.....dittos all the countries invaded, occupied and brutalized by the Germans.....the German army sure had a lot of them......

And in the week commemorating the liberation of the nazi death camps.....let's never forget....we know exactly what happens to a disarmed people when the government decides to murder them......just look at the history of the world....plenty of examples.....

How about we try arming the people before the government turns bad....and see if that changes the equation........and saves lives.....

Right, I imagine you feel a need for a shoulder fired missile, anti tank gun and maybe a few land mines around your home. Never can tell when those black copters will be on the way to murder you in your sleep.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If you succeed in outlawing guns, better outlaw most common household chemicals along with it or you're gonna see an increase in improvised bombs since people can't get a gun to settle grudges any more.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

Our Government must take care of our children and protect them from guns. I am afraid that My children may get acquaintance with weapon too early. This situation is a real danger for our society.

The real danger to our society is government.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

a hunter does not need them

Again...we dont care how things are done in germany.
And after what you did to the Jews it's probably a good idea to keep firearms out of the hands of german citizens.

 

[2aguy]

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

a hunter does not need them

Why are you even a member of a message board the discusses US politics? Why would you presume to tell someone in a foreign country how to run their homeland?

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

But the Jews in Germany in the 1930s could have used a whole bunch of them.....dittos all the countries invaded, occupied and brutalized by the Germans.....the German army sure had a lot of them......

And in the week commemorating the liberation of the nazi death camps.....let's never forget....we know exactly what happens to a disarmed people when the government decides to murder them......just look at the history of the world....plenty of examples.....

How about we try arming the people before the government turns bad....and see if that changes the equation........and saves lives.....

Right, I imagine you feel a need for a shoulder fired missile, anti tank gun and maybe a few land mines around your home. Never can tell when those black copters will be on the way to murder you in your sleep.

So....you are saying that Germany didn't murder it's own citizens.....how about the collusion between the current Mexican government and the drug cartels that murder thousands of disarmed Mexican citizens each year....or how about the fact that the government of Kenya can't protect it's people from muslim terrorists in boko haram....or how about when the government in Rwanda sanctioned the machete deaths of 800,000 of it's citizens........

Or how about the city of Detroit being unable to protect it's ctiizens.....

You anti gunners think these things don't happen....but they have in the past, are happening now, and will happen in the future....talk about being delusional........do you think it could never happen here.....that Germany didn't go from a modern nation state in the 1920s to a Country that murdered some 12 million people....or the socialists in Russia, and China, Cambodia.....Cuba......all disarmed their citzens and went on to murder or imprison them.....

 

[2aguy]

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

 

[2aguy]

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

a hunter does not need them

Why are you even a member of a message board the discusses US politics? Why would you presume to tell someone in a foreign country how to run their homeland?

in germany semiautomatic weapons are illegal

But the Jews in Germany in the 1930s could have used a whole bunch of them.....dittos all the countries invaded, occupied and brutalized by the Germans.....the German army sure had a lot of them......

And in the week commemorating the liberation of the nazi death camps.....let's never forget....we know exactly what happens to a disarmed people when the government decides to murder them......just look at the history of the world....plenty of examples.....

How about we try arming the people before the government turns bad....and see if that changes the equation........and saves lives.....

Right, I imagine you feel a need for a shoulder fired missile, anti tank gun and maybe a few land mines around your home. Never can tell when those black copters will be on the way to murder you in your sleep.

I don't think we need shoulder fired missles....just rifles and pistols...especially whatever rifle or pistols are used by our military and police.....that is the absolute minimum.....but not the limit.....rifles, and pistols should all be readily available to legal citizens....and felons should get 25 years if they have them illegally......that is how you stop most gun crime.....

 

[Papageorgio]

But, but, but it is the right of the shooter to own, possess and have in his or her custody and control the gun used to shoot and kill. Don't you know the 2nd A. is sacrosanct, an no amount of murder, carnage or the death of children will ever convince elected officials dependent on the NRA to fund their campaign to ever consider gun control.

What's more important to an elected official, his or her reelection, or the life of a child?

We don't know anything about the shooter.
We don't know if it is his gun.
We don't know his history.
We don't know if the gun was legally by the shooter.
We do know you make stupid uninformed comments.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

 

[2aguy]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

I think for non violent crimes, you should have your gun rights restored after 5 years....as long as you don't have any previous violent crimes in your record...and you keep your record clean for that 5 year period....

 

[2aguy]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

I heard John Lott interviewed on the Dana Loesch radio show at the 2015 SHOT show...he told about a senior citizen who had a misdemeanor in his 20s, went to buy a gun for his wife....filled out the paperwork forgetting he had the misdemeanor, and got himself arrested for perjury on the gun form.....the antis will do anything to make it harder for people to protect themselves....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

I heard John Lott interviewed on the Dana Loesch radio show at the 2015 SHOT show...he told about a senior citizen who had a misdemeanor in his 20s, went to buy a gun for his wife....filled out the paperwork forgetting he had the misdemeanor, and got himself arrested for perjury on the gun form.....the antis will do anything to make it harder for people to protect themselves....

Thats messed up.
Although I have heard it's pretty rare that they actually prosecute for lying on the form. The courts would be full of such cases if they did.

 

[bucs90]

Yet when cops confront these dangerous thugs....we scold and condemn almost everything the cops do.

 

[Ernie S.]

Of course not, but they are vastly more likely to become criminals because of their circumstances. That coupled with thed fact that a well educated person with a strong work ethic and strong moral values will likely earn enough so that he can live outside the inner city where most murders occur.
No criminal intent on my part at all. I am not a criminal, nor am I likely to commit a crime because I was raised in a 2 parent family, developed a strong work ethic and strong value system and got a decent education.

However, if someone who does not possess my values decides to enter my home without permission or assaults me on the street or in my place of business, I will defend myself. Thus, just leave me alone and everything's cool.

Not everyone is lucky enough to be raised by two parents, have you considered the numbers of men and women killed in combat this century, and wondered how many of their children will be raised in a single parent home?

What are your values, I don't need detail but you're so sure you have "strong values" makes me wonder. My values are framed by the Golden Rule, can you explain yours as concisely?

IMO, the use of a gun in the manner suggested in your post, suggests you have already decided your use of deadly force is both justified and acceptable within the structure of your "strong moral values". Comment?

WTF does combat have to do with a teenager shot on the way to school?

My values? I treat everyone with respect until they show me that they have nothing about them that deserves respect. If someone enters my house without permission, I have to assume that they deserve no respect and are there to at the least, take my property, if not my life.
I will protect myself, my family, my possessions and my business with deadly force and not lose sleep.

WTF? Think about it (it has nothing to do with the murder of the child, it has to do with your rant!)

Several years ago my door bell rang and a neighbor I didn't know - he lived behind our home - barged in. You would have shot and killed him, being an armed paranoid. I simply stopped him with an open hand to the chest, and said in so many words, "What's up"?

It turned out his cat had gotten under our house and he was trying to rescue it.

Luck for him a gun nut didn't live in my home, lucky for you, you haven't shot some kid trick or treating.

BTW, my LE experience suggests to me you're a punk. I can remember the bravado from my early years of tough guys, safely secured in the back seat cage, not much different than the punks on this message board safely secured behind their keyboard.

Trick or treat is one night per year, idiot.

Regarding your neighbor anecdote... Lucky for you, it was just a neighbor looking for his cat.

Yes he's lucky he didn't barge into my house. He most likely would have died BECAUSE HE ENTERED MY HOUSE WITHOUT PERMISSION. Anyone who does that, I would have to assume, is up to no good. At the least he is after my property At most, he is after my family.
I am a husband and a father and grandfather. I have a personal responsibility to keep my family safe. I take that responsibility very seriously.

Just remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

I've never before met a LEO so terrified by guns. Makes me think that you're f... .. ....

Nice try, I too am a father, a parent and have never been terrified by guns and nothing I posted has suggested that to be true.

The trick or treating comment was based on the murder by a gun owner who shot and killed a kid on Halloween. I have other anecdotes of murders too, one sticks out when an older man shot at a car full of kids who were knocking down mail boxes with a baseball bat - one shot found its mark and a 16 year old white, Catholic student from a local Catholic High School Died.

The man, in his 60's was tried, convicted of Second Degree Murder and sent to prison; he was not a criminal before he acted, he is today.

You response is typical of someone unwilling or unable to respond or rebut my post. Your rights (in your mind) are more important than the life of another, so much so that you reject even a discussion on efforts which might keep guns out of the hand of those who are not sober, sane, responsible, and suggest you are willing (eager?) to prove your manhood from a dozen or more feet away.

Thus, as I suspected an intelligent debate with you is beyond hope.

Your posts are generally unworthy of rebuttal. Halloween anecdotes... We can all find an anecdote to support our position.
You cite 2 out of 40 or 50 million legal gun owners and call that intelligent debate?
My point is that the vast majority of gun deaths are committed by people who shouldn't already own guns.
Not that I advocate this, but if you could somehow remove all guns in the hands of blacks in this country, you would cut gun deaths in half.
Drastic measure, right? Illegal, right? A violation of Constitutional rights, right? But it WOULD be effective. Further limiting the rights of law abiding citizens WOULD NOT be effective as shown by myriad attempts to control criminals with laws that infringe on the rights of non criminals.

 

[Wry Catcher]

A 17-year-old boy that police said was fatally shot early Monday morning in the parking lot of the Forest Park Apartments, in Algiers, was a student at Landry-Walker High School, the chief of the Algiers Charter School Association confirmed.
The victim, whom authorities did not immediately identify, appeared to be on his way to school when he was gunned down at approximately 7:45 a.m., New Orleans police said. Witnesses said he was wearing a school uniform, and a blue backpack was strewn on the ground at the crime scene in the 3700 block of Garden Oaks Drive. The apartment complex is about 2.5 miles from the victim’s school.
NOPD spokesman Officer Garry Flot said the teen sustained multiple gunshot wounds and died shortly after being transported to Interim LSU hospital. Police homicide detectives searched for clues around the parking lot, which remained cordoned off until 10:20 a.m. Several shell casings were recovered.
Algiers teen fatally shot on way to school was student at Landry-Walker High NOLA.com
This sh#t happens in America every day. What will we say? "Oh, it's awfull - find the killers..." But don't you consider that this kind of incidents happens too often.
The Government must revise the 2nd Amendment and reduce guns' selling. We are not living in Somalia where schoolchildren may be shot easily at any time.

We need to quit elevating victims of gun violence to saint-status. If he was shot "multiple times" I dare say the shooters knew him and were upset with him for something. Thus he's probably not an innocent who took one accidental hit or got caught in a crossfire. Before we bemoan the incident how about we find out why someone was so pissed with him they shot him. Coulda be a total pile of crap who got what he deserved. Not saying he was, but instead of treating every such incident like Mother Theresa was gunned down let's find out a bit first.

Do you believe a women wearing a tight sweater deserves to be raped? Capital punishment is used after due process, and even when so sentenced the Innocents Project has demonstrated the wrong person was convicted. The shooter is the criminal no matter what the victim did in this case (there is no evidence he was armed).

Road rage incidents have lead to drive-by shootings, has cutting someone off been elevated from reckless driving and a fine to a capital crime? Let's be real, and have an intelligent debate on guns and gun control.

I believe if someone's shot multiple times their attacker knew them. And you don't shoot people multiple times unless you're rather irked with them about something. And I can think of pleanty of offenses that'd provoke someone to coming after you to kill you. Victim coulda spread amalicious lie about the shooter's sister calling her a slut or ruining her reputation at school. While murder isn't legally justified in retaliation it'd certainly explain the incident. So before we try to use murder victims in our own misguided crusades against the tools of defense and offense let's wait for the facts so we're not saying how horrible it is Mata Hari was gunned down, or the equivilent.

The guy may have owed money for fronted drugs for all we know.

in germany if you are found having a gun

you go to jail for 3-10 years

if you use it its 20--50 years

in germany with 85 million people we have about 2-3 shootings a year

Not that I give a shit how you do things in Germany...
The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.
But with liberals being soft on crime what are we to do?

The twenty five year sentence if you commit a crime with a gun is a good idea that I have championed many times.

that is how you stop gun crime.....you put long sentences on gun crimes.....you scare away the thinking criminals, and for the idiots who have zero impulse control, they are off the streets for a long, long time......

How about if you are a convicted felon and you have a gun...you get 25 years.....wether you shoot it or not.......

That would depend on the felony in my mind.
If you been convicted of a violent felony for sure. But I dont want to stop someone from having the ability to protect themselves in their homes if he/she pulled some white collar crime thirty years ago and has had a clean record since.
In some states like Louisiana they will restore gun rights to people who keep a clean record for I believe 15 or 20 years. I for one dont have a problem with that.

I heard John Lott interviewed on the Dana Loesch radio show at the 2015 SHOT show...he told about a senior citizen who had a misdemeanor in his 20s, went to buy a gun for his wife....filled out the paperwork forgetting he had the misdemeanor, and got himself arrested for perjury on the gun form.....the antis will do anything to make it harder for people to protect themselves....

I suppose it's a good thing not to forget an arrest. If it was only one, that's kind of hard to forget. I also doubt a Petty Theft or FTA on an infraction would lead to a felony charge - well unless there is institutional racism or a failure of the attitude test.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Not everyone is lucky enough to be raised by two parents, have you considered the numbers of men and women killed in combat this century, and wondered how many of their children will be raised in a single parent home?

What are your values, I don't need detail but you're so sure you have "strong values" makes me wonder. My values are framed by the Golden Rule, can you explain yours as concisely?

IMO, the use of a gun in the manner suggested in your post, suggests you have already decided your use of deadly force is both justified and acceptable within the structure of your "strong moral values". Comment?

WTF does combat have to do with a teenager shot on the way to school?

My values? I treat everyone with respect until they show me that they have nothing about them that deserves respect. If someone enters my house without permission, I have to assume that they deserve no respect and are there to at the least, take my property, if not my life.
I will protect myself, my family, my possessions and my business with deadly force and not lose sleep.

WTF? Think about it (it has nothing to do with the murder of the child, it has to do with your rant!)

Several years ago my door bell rang and a neighbor I didn't know - he lived behind our home - barged in. You would have shot and killed him, being an armed paranoid. I simply stopped him with an open hand to the chest, and said in so many words, "What's up"?

It turned out his cat had gotten under our house and he was trying to rescue it.

Luck for him a gun nut didn't live in my home, lucky for you, you haven't shot some kid trick or treating.

BTW, my LE experience suggests to me you're a punk. I can remember the bravado from my early years of tough guys, safely secured in the back seat cage, not much different than the punks on this message board safely secured behind their keyboard.

Trick or treat is one night per year, idiot.

Regarding your neighbor anecdote... Lucky for you, it was just a neighbor looking for his cat.

Yes he's lucky he didn't barge into my house. He most likely would have died BECAUSE HE ENTERED MY HOUSE WITHOUT PERMISSION. Anyone who does that, I would have to assume, is up to no good. At the least he is after my property At most, he is after my family.
I am a husband and a father and grandfather. I have a personal responsibility to keep my family safe. I take that responsibility very seriously.

Just remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

I've never before met a LEO so terrified by guns. Makes me think that you're f... .. ....

Nice try, I too am a father, a parent and have never been terrified by guns and nothing I posted has suggested that to be true.

The trick or treating comment was based on the murder by a gun owner who shot and killed a kid on Halloween. I have other anecdotes of murders too, one sticks out when an older man shot at a car full of kids who were knocking down mail boxes with a baseball bat - one shot found its mark and a 16 year old white, Catholic student from a local Catholic High School Died.

The man, in his 60's was tried, convicted of Second Degree Murder and sent to prison; he was not a criminal before he acted, he is today.

You response is typical of someone unwilling or unable to respond or rebut my post. Your rights (in your mind) are more important than the life of another, so much so that you reject even a discussion on efforts which might keep guns out of the hand of those who are not sober, sane, responsible, and suggest you are willing (eager?) to prove your manhood from a dozen or more feet away.

Thus, as I suspected an intelligent debate with you is beyond hope.

Your posts are generally unworthy of rebuttal. Halloween anecdotes... We can all find an anecdote to support our position.
You cite 2 out of 40 or 50 million legal gun owners and call that intelligent debate?
My point is that the vast majority of gun deaths are committed by people who shouldn't already own guns.
Not that I advocate this, but if you could somehow remove all guns in the hands of blacks in this country, you would cut gun deaths in half.
Drastic measure, right? Illegal, right? A violation of Constitutional rights, right? But it WOULD be effective. Further limiting the rights of law abiding citizens WOULD NOT be effective as shown by myriad attempts to control criminals with laws that infringe on the rights of non criminals.

Wow.

 

[Ernie S.]

WTF does combat have to do with a teenager shot on the way to school?

My values? I treat everyone with respect until they show me that they have nothing about them that deserves respect. If someone enters my house without permission, I have to assume that they deserve no respect and are there to at the least, take my property, if not my life.
I will protect myself, my family, my possessions and my business with deadly force and not lose sleep.

WTF? Think about it (it has nothing to do with the murder of the child, it has to do with your rant!)

Several years ago my door bell rang and a neighbor I didn't know - he lived behind our home - barged in. You would have shot and killed him, being an armed paranoid. I simply stopped him with an open hand to the chest, and said in so many words, "What's up"?

It turned out his cat had gotten under our house and he was trying to rescue it.

Luck for him a gun nut didn't live in my home, lucky for you, you haven't shot some kid trick or treating.

BTW, my LE experience suggests to me you're a punk. I can remember the bravado from my early years of tough guys, safely secured in the back seat cage, not much different than the punks on this message board safely secured behind their keyboard.

Trick or treat is one night per year, idiot.

Regarding your neighbor anecdote... Lucky for you, it was just a neighbor looking for his cat.

Yes he's lucky he didn't barge into my house. He most likely would have died BECAUSE HE ENTERED MY HOUSE WITHOUT PERMISSION. Anyone who does that, I would have to assume, is up to no good. At the least he is after my property At most, he is after my family.
I am a husband and a father and grandfather. I have a personal responsibility to keep my family safe. I take that responsibility very seriously.

Just remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

I've never before met a LEO so terrified by guns. Makes me think that you're f... .. ....

Nice try, I too am a father, a parent and have never been terrified by guns and nothing I posted has suggested that to be true.

The trick or treating comment was based on the murder by a gun owner who shot and killed a kid on Halloween. I have other anecdotes of murders too, one sticks out when an older man shot at a car full of kids who were knocking down mail boxes with a baseball bat - one shot found its mark and a 16 year old white, Catholic student from a local Catholic High School Died.

The man, in his 60's was tried, convicted of Second Degree Murder and sent to prison; he was not a criminal before he acted, he is today.

You response is typical of someone unwilling or unable to respond or rebut my post. Your rights (in your mind) are more important than the life of another, so much so that you reject even a discussion on efforts which might keep guns out of the hand of those who are not sober, sane, responsible, and suggest you are willing (eager?) to prove your manhood from a dozen or more feet away.

Thus, as I suspected an intelligent debate with you is beyond hope.

Your posts are generally unworthy of rebuttal. Halloween anecdotes... We can all find an anecdote to support our position.
You cite 2 out of 40 or 50 million legal gun owners and call that intelligent debate?
My point is that the vast majority of gun deaths are committed by people who shouldn't already own guns.
Not that I advocate this, but if you could somehow remove all guns in the hands of blacks in this country, you would cut gun deaths in half.
Drastic measure, right? Illegal, right? A violation of Constitutional rights, right? But it WOULD be effective. Further limiting the rights of law abiding citizens WOULD NOT be effective as shown by myriad attempts to control criminals with laws that infringe on the rights of non criminals.

Wow.

Thus, as I suspected an intelligent debate with you is beyond hope.