Supreme Court to rule on Trump's tariffs, my guess is

You ignored the various laws that congress delegated authority to the president. Read this:

Congressional and Presidential Authority to Impose Import Tariffs​

Sections 232, 201, 301, 122, 338, IEEPA

Actually, not only have I studied Congressional and Presidential Authority to Impose Import Tariffs, but also have studied Legal Authority for the President to Impose Tariffs Under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)

Now, explain your specific disagreements with what I posted, and your reasoning why you disagree.
 
Actually, not only have I studied Congressional and Presidential Authority to Impose Import Tariffs, but also have studied Legal Authority for the President to Impose Tariffs Under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)
Now, explain your specific disagreements with what I posted, and your reasoning why you disagree.
Your OP does not go into detail as to which tariffs are valid under sections other than IEEPA.
See the following link and that tariffs can be valid under many sections other than IEEPA.
One of my favorite arguments is from Justice Kavanaugh, who said something like:
"if the president can completely stop commerce from a country, why couldn't he impose a 1% tariff?"
The decision hinges on what the word "regulate" means, does regulate include tariffs or not?

Congressional and Presidential Authority to Impose Import Tariffs​

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Your OP does not go into detail as to which tariffs are valid under sections other than IEEPA.


Correct. And that is because, in case you missed it, the OP focuses on who, by the terms of our Constitution, is to decide if the President’s actions exceed the policy making authority placed in his hands by Congress.
 
It is Congress’s prerogative to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the IEEPA
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It is an irrefutable fact that Congress, by the terms of our Constitution, is granted exclusive power to lay and collect imposts and duties (tariffs), and is also vested with exclusive power to “Regulate Commerce with foreign Nations”. As such, ownership of these exclusive powers gives enormous credibility to the argument that Congress, our elected Representatives and Senators, by necessary extension likewise has the power to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, and not a judge or a majority of Justices on our Supreme Court.

Should a majority on the Supreme Court meddle in the making of foreign policy via Congress’s exclusive powers mentioned above would in effect be negating the very reason of having a written constitution and elections . . . elections which are intentionally intended to accommodate for change in public policy, as opposed to unelected judges and Justices imposing their whims, fancies and personal predilections as the rule of law.

Seems crystal clear to me that our courts are not vested with authority to sit in judgement over policy making decisions, and certainly not foreign policy making decisions.

In regard to Congress’s policy making power carried out through the laying and collecting of taxes, and regulating commerce, let me once again note what our Supreme Court has emphatically concluded with respect to policy making authority “…..we are not at liberty to second-guess congressional determinations and policy judgments of this order, however debatable or arguably unwise they may be…The wisdom of Congress’ action, however, is not within our province to second guess.”
_________ELDRED et al. v. A S H C R O F T, ATTORNEY GENERAL (2003)

And, Justice Stone reminds all of us that:

“The power of courts to declare a statute unconstitutional is subject to two guiding principles of decision which ought never to be absent from judicial consciousness. One is that courts are concerned only with the power to enact statutes, not with their wisdom. The other is that while unconstitutional exercise of power by the executive and legislative branches of the government is subject to judicial restraint, the only check upon our own exercise of power is our own sense of self-restraint. For the removal of unwise laws from the statute books appeal lies, not to the courts, but to the ballot and to the processes of democratic government.” U.S. v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 78-79 (1936)

In consideration of the above, it seems more than just obvious that our Supreme Court is obligated by the terms of our Constitution to yield to Congress’s exclusive taxing and regulatory power over commerce, and by extension must confirm it is likewise Congress’s prerogative to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.

JWK

Why have a written constitution approved by the people if those who it is meant to control and regulate are free to make it mean whatever they want it to mean?
Why assume that a Supreme Court, except for three of its members--those three are sociopolitical activists instead of competent associate justices--will choose unwisely on the tariff issue after all their really good judgments following the law and intent of the Constitution?

I always said when I voted for Trump 45, that if he accomplished no more than saving the High Court from dangerous and unconstitutional leftist political activism it would be worth my vote. He did exactly that.

In the matter of tariffs, in several pieces of legislation over the years, Congress has authorized various authority for the Executive Branch to administer. I do not believe President Trump has exceeded that authority.

I am willing to wait and see what happens here. But again, given the track record of the current SCOTUS, I am not too concerned.
 
Why assume that a Supreme Court, except for three of its members--those three are sociopolitical activists instead of competent associate justices--will choose unwisely on the tariff issue after all their really good judgments following the law and intent of the Constitution?

I'm not sure why you ask me that question. I simply pointed out that It is Congress’s prerogative to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the IEEPA, not the Supreme Court's job.
 
I'm not sure why you ask me that question. I simply pointed out that It is Congress’s prerogative to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the IEEPA, not the Supreme Court's job.
Why assume a rhetorical question was directed at you personally?

Or possibly you think my post didn't say Congress had the authority to assign permissions/powers/authority re tariffs to the Executive Branch and therefore needed a very wordy essay on that subject to inform me?

Or like me, you were just participating in a discussion on the topic?
 
Well, you did quote what I posted, and then asked the question.
Yes, just as you quoted my post that said Congress could assign and had assigned the Executive Branch authority re tariffs and then, without acknowledging what I had said, proceeded to lecture on how/why Congress could assign that authority as if I had not already said that.

All it would have taken to clarify intent with a post is a short word or statement that I was right or wrong and then proceed to provide good information as to why.
 
Yes, just as you quoted my post that said Congress could assign and had assigned the Executive Branch authority re tariffs and then, without acknowledging what I had said, proceeded to lecture on how/why Congress could assign that authority as if I had not already said that.

All it would have taken to clarify intent with a post is a short word or statement that I was right or wrong and then proceed to provide good information as to why.
I answered your question.

Let us not belabor something so irrelevant to the topic of the thread.
 
Correct. And that is because, in case you missed it, the OP focuses on who, by the terms of our Constitution, is to decide if the President’s actions exceed the policy making authority placed in his hands by Congress.
Yep. The Supreme Court can rule on them, and/or congress can rule on them.
I would expect a GOP majority in congress would strongly support Trump's "regulating trade and foreign policy" using tariffs.
 
I answered your question.

Let us not belabor something so irrelevant to the topic of the thread.
No. Yyou didn't. The topic of the thread you started is tariffs and how SCOTUS might rule on that. I have been consistently addressing that.

But I'm moving on now. I've said what I think needed to be said. Do have a lovely day.
 
Yep. The Supreme Court can rule on them, and/or congress can rule on them.

Seems to me, by the terms of our federal Constitution, it is Congress’s prerogative to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the IEEPA, and not within the Supreme Court's function.

It is an irrefutable fact that Congress, by the terms of our Constitution, is granted exclusive power to lay and collect imposts and duties (tariffs), and is also vested with exclusive power to “Regulate Commerce with foreign Nations”. As such, ownership of these exclusive powers gives enormous credibility to the argument that Congress, our elected Representatives and Senators, by necessary extension, likewise has the power to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, and not a judge or a majority of Justices on our Supreme Court.

If a majority on the Supreme Court meddles in the making of foreign policy, which is within Congress’s exclusive powers, that would, in effect, be negating the very reason of having a written constitution and elections . . . elections which are intentionally intended to accommodate for change in public policy, as opposed to unelected judges and Justices imposing their whims, fancies and personal predilections as the rule of law.
 
Seems to me, by the terms of our federal Constitution, it is Congress’s prerogative to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the IEEPA, and not within the Supreme Court's function.

It is an irrefutable fact that Congress, by the terms of our Constitution, is granted exclusive power to lay and collect imposts and duties (tariffs), and is also vested with exclusive power to “Regulate Commerce with foreign Nations”. As such, ownership of these exclusive powers gives enormous credibility to the argument that Congress, our elected Representatives and Senators, by necessary extension, likewise has the power to clarify, limit, or possibly augment the President’s authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, and not a judge or a majority of Justices on our Supreme Court.

If a majority on the Supreme Court meddles in the making of foreign policy, which is within Congress’s exclusive powers, that would, in effect, be negating the very reason of having a written constitution and elections . . . elections which are intentionally intended to accommodate for change in public policy, as opposed to unelected judges and Justices imposing their whims, fancies and personal predilections as the rule of law.
Quick responses:
1. The Constitution says precisely what the Supreme Court says it says, it is the final word on the Constitution.
2. There are several laws passed by congress that gives authority to the president as shown in post #23.
3. The supreme court interprets the various laws and will make a decision by June on Trump's tariffs.
4. If congress decides, in its infinite wisdom to clarify the intent of or removal of tariffs or to regulate commerce it would need to pass a new law in both the House and Senate, and have the president sign it. Congress can never agree on anything, which is why the US trade system was so unfair to the US before Trump took the initiative.
5. Congress should just agree to what Trump wants regarding trade, tariffs, and foreign affairs. If not, be clear as to why and how to proceed. Congress is not made to do tariffs, they are too easily bought off.
 
Quick responses:
1. The Constitution says precisely what the Supreme Court says it says, it is the final word on the Constitution.
2. There are several laws passed by congress that gives authority to the president as shown in post #23.
3. The supreme court interprets the various laws and will make a decision by June on Trump's tariffs.
4. If congress decides, in its infinite wisdom to clarify the intent of or removal of tariffs or to regulate commerce it would need to pass a new law in both the House and Senate, and have the president sign it. Congress can never agree on anything, which is why the US trade system was so unfair to the US before Trump took the initiative.
5. Congress should just agree to what Trump wants regarding trade, tariffs, and foreign affairs. If not, be clear as to why and how to proceed. Congress is not made to do tariffs, they are too easily bought off.

Your misdirection's and opinions are noted.
 
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So besides overspending by trillions, what Constitutional duties has Congress decided to retain?
 
Actually, not only have I studied Congressional and Presidential Authority to Impose Import Tariffs, but also have studied Legal Authority for the President to Impose Tariffs Under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)

Now, explain your specific disagreements with what I posted, and your reasoning why you disagree.
You're lost. The court determines what powers are granted by a bill that was passed if there is a dispute due to lack of clarity in the law or in cases, like this one, where there is purposeful misuse of the law.

This congress didnt pass the law. Another one did. It doesnt matter what this congress thinks about the law. If they dont like the courts ruling they can get 60 senators to pass a new law.
 
You're lost. The court determines what powers are granted by a bill that was passed if there is a dispute due to lack of clarity in the law or in cases, like this one, where there is purposeful misuse of the law.
Our Supreme Court members would have to sit in judgement over the merits of a foreign policy making decision of the President enacted under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, by which Congress gave the green light allowing the President to “deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States”

It seems only too clear to me that Congress, and not our Supreme Court, may rightfully terminate the President’s action via enactment of a joint resolution of disapproval if the President’s policy making decision is not in harmony with the objective for which the intended policy making authority is placed in the hands of the President by Congress.

I think it is contrary to the limits of our Republican Form of Government for unelected Supreme Court Justices to meddle with policy making decisions, when such authority has obviously and rightfully been placed in the hands of the people’s elected representatives (our President, House and Senate members).

To allow a judge or Justice to meddle in policy making decisions negates the very reason for us having a written constitution and elections . . . elections which in this case are intentionally designed to allow for change of foreign public policy, by and with consent of the people through their elected representatives.

JWK

Shall we bend to our Supreme Court usurping legislative functions, setting itself up as an unelected, omnipotent and unreviewable, policy making branch of government, and pretending our Constitution means whatever it chooses it to mean?

 
Our Supreme Court members would have to sit in judgement over the merits of a foreign policy making decision of the President enacted under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, by which Congress gave the green light allowing the President to “deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States”

It seems only too clear to me that Congress, and not our Supreme Court, may rightfully terminate the President’s action via enactment of a joint resolution of disapproval if the President’s policy making decision is not in harmony with the objective for which the intended policy making authority is placed in the hands of the President by Congress.

I think it is contrary to the limits of our Republican Form of Government for unelected Supreme Court Justices to meddle with policy making decisions, when such authority has obviously and rightfully been placed in the hands of the people’s elected representatives (our President, House and Senate members).

To allow a judge or Justice to meddle in policy making decisions negates the very reason for us having a written constitution and elections . . . elections which in this case are intentionally designed to allow for change of foreign public policy, by and with consent of the people through their elected representatives.

JWK

Shall we bend to our Supreme Court usurping legislative functions, setting itself up as an unelected, omnipotent and unreviewable, policy making branch of government, and pretending our Constitution means whatever it chooses it to mean?
First a president can only execute actions he has been granted by the constitution and law. Raising import taxes on Americans who want to purchase Canadian goods which has no emergency going on requires a law be passed. Not Trump declaring he has poop streaks in his pants so there is suddenly an emergency for him to do whatever he wants.

Secondly, no emergency ever was solved by taxing Americans. An emergency is solved by barring trade totally which the President can do according to the Act.

The Supreme Court is the one to tell us that you are FOS and I am right. Or vice versa.
 
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