Wow...................in post 176 you said this....................
Hey Morosa, NOBODY FUCKING CARES. Nobody is arguing anything. What electric power a gas car uses is IMMATERIAL. GO SOAK YOUR FUCKING HEAD YOU LOSER. I'M NOT BUYING A FUCKING EV car, and just because my car uses a tiny amount of electricity to start the motor DOES NOT MEAN I DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR YOU ASSHOLE!
YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT. DROP DEAD you idiot!
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Asshole.
Then in post 177, you said this....................
Hey asshole, TECHNOLOGY dictates that we operate this electric stuff with electricity not "market forces," and there is a big difference between a washing machine spinning a drum and moving a 9000 pound EV car up a hill accelerating with batteries. And Diesel locomotioves have a BIG DIESEL GENERATOR to create the electricity to power its drive wheels!
Whaddan asshole.
All of the ELECTRIC ones use ELECTRICITY, dummfuk. Still has nothing to do with this thread. Take your EV car, turn it sideways with its $25,000 battery and shove it up your ass!
Yeah I would. Why don't you list them, moron.
The link you posted in 176 clearly stated that EV batteries are between 2,500 and 50,000 to replace (depending on the auto model and the capacity), so why do you stick to the 25,000 figure for car batteries? And, because of the advances in technology, the cost of battery replacement for vehicles is steadily dropping. Yes, several years ago, the price MIGHT have been 25,000, but today, it's at a top end of 20,000, with many being replaced for free if they are still under warranty.
When it comes to electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids, many shoppers wonder how long it will be until they have to replace their battery. Then what will it cost to replace that battery?
www.recurrentauto.com
How Much Does an EV Battery Cost to Replace?
Replacement ranges from $0 to $20,000 based on dozens of factors. If a battery is within its manufacturer warranty, typically 8 years and 100,000 miles, then you should get a replacement battery at no extra cost. But what if it is out of warranty?
Battery replacements are still rare so up-to-date data on costs can be difficult to find. As battery prices continue to decline, the price you would pay today is different than the price you would pay next year or in 5 years. in 2019, the Mack Institute for Innovation Management at the Wharton School for Business aggregated data found across academia, news, search engines, experts within the industry, and public statements by manufacturers.
They found a 16% decline in battery pack cost between 2007 and 2019. The authors estimated in 2019 that the average cost of battery packs was $161/kWh. With that estimate, in 2019, the cost of an out-of-warranty 100 kWh battery, as is common in Tesla long range vehicles, would be at least $16,100 before labor, taxes, etc. If the trend in battery price reduction stays constant, then by 2025 the price in 2019$ should be ~$56/kWh, or $5,600 to replace a 100 kWh battery. That’s a big change in overall cost.
Might wanna quit using outdated information.
As far as the weight of a vehicle? Yes, electric cars weigh more than ICE vehicles, but they aren't at the 9,000 lb point that you are claiming. And, depending on the vehicle, there are ICE vehicles out there that can weigh significantly more than average vehicles as well.
Electric sedan weights generally range from one of the lightest, the BMW i3, which weighs around 2,961 pounds to one of the heaviest, the Mercedes-Benz EQS, weighing in at 5,888 pounds.
The extra weight of an electric vehicle comes from the battery pack, which generally weighs more than 1,000 pounds. Manufacturers such as Tesla try to keep the total weight of the vehicle down by using lightweight aluminum bodies.
Vehicle manufactures have already figured in the weight of the vehicles battery (around 1,000 lbs), and have used lightweight materials in other places to help compensate.
What are you doing, looking at the absolute heaviest and most expensive things out there and using it for your figures? Not very honest, you should use the AVERAGE weights and costs, as well as the current things since advances are continually being made.
And.............if you don't want an EV, don't buy one. Nobody is forcing you to do so, and nobody will for a very long time. But, realize that as the tech gets better and better, and the cost keeps dropping lower and lower, eventually cars will become mostly EV's. Do you still drive around in a 1950's car? No? Why not? Hint: It's because the newer ones have better features and are safer, which is a significant factor in what figures into a person buying a new car.
