Stimulus Checks 2? Or "Go Forth and DIE!"

[Papageorgio]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Where does the money come from????

The same place it comes from now. Pretend land. Our fiat currency is probably over 20 trillion in debt. It doesn't matter if it is 40 trillion. Though before the coronavirus thing hit, the U.S. was paying around 420 billion dollars a year just on the interest of our national debt. Which is basically money flushed down the toilet. And we just burrow more money to pay that. We need to just tell whoever we owe interest to to suck it! Apart from the national debt, we also have around 61 trillion worth of unfunded obligations. And I don't want to split the hair between a debt and an obligation.

We need to just tell whoever we owe interest to to suck it!

But you want to borrow more money for handouts to you?

You're not real bright, are you?

Usury is for suckers and slaves.

Well ok....

But understand that if you eliminate Usury, then you are not going to borrow anymore.

That means if you don't have money for a car, then you simply don't get a car.

And if there isn't money for Social Security, then there is no Social Security.

If you don't have money for education, then you simply don't get education.

If there is no money for Medicare, then you simply don't get Medicare.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to the concept of banning Usury. But you need to understand what that means. No credit cards. If you want to go out to eat, because some friends came into town unexpected, and you don't have money.... you don't go out to eat.

Are you ok with this?

You don't need usury to have any of that. When inflation heats up, the fed increases interests payments. If the economy is doing poorly, the fed nearly eliminates interest payments-usury.

Without Usury, it does not matter what the Fed does.... if you don't have the money to buy something... then you are not going to be able to buy it. No matter what the Fed does.

You don't make any sense.

If you want to buy a house.... and there is no Usury... why would anyone lend you the money to buy a house? They wouldn't.

Doesn't matter what the Fed does. Why would I loan you $100,000 to buy a house, if I can't earn a profit off of loaning you the money? Without Usury, I would get back $100,000 on my $100,000 loan.

Why would I do this? I wouldn't.

If I'm a bank, I'm not going to give you a mortgage, because why would I do something that earns me nothing? Has nothing to do with the Fed. Fed has zero influence on this choice.

I'm simply not going to loan you the money. It would be better for me to invest that $100,000 in stocks. At least with stocks I'll get a return on my investment.

No Usury, means no money for you. If you don't have the cash, you don't get the stuff.

If you are ok with that, so am I. I'm all for banning Usury. But you need to understand... no house unless you have cash. No car unless you have cash. Doesn't matter what the Fed does. No one is going to loan you money, if they can't make a profit.

Face it. Capitalism is a farce. Everything should be provided by the government. Taking care of the people is their job. (At least, it should be) Not kissing hands and shaking babies. Housing, health care, education and transportation should be free. Free Free FREEEEEEEEEE!!!! Healthcare should apply equally to anybody. But as far as everything else goes, it would have to depend on your station in life. Those who are doctors or scientists for example should have better housing and transportation than a laborer. In return, people give their labor to support society.

In my town they have a plan to make the bridges toll bridges. In other words, privatize them. But those people are in it to make a profit. If you want something done as cheaply as possible, providing companies with profit isn't the way to go. No doubt one way they would do it is by paying their workers less and giving them fewer benefits than a city worker would get. Which is a race to the bottom. Screw that.

Who would work? Why work? Why invent? Why produce? Why research? Why do anything but sit around?

Your opinion of humanity is delusional. People are inventive. Producing gives them a sense of pride and worth.

Nah, give me what I want, new car, new motorhome, new home, all the money I want, free healthcare, free food, free electric, free campsites when I travel. Hell, if you can get it why not me? I’ve worked hard all my life. The government owes me tons!

What if you were given all those things. But for a price. That price being that you do whatever part you can in seeing to it that everybody else can receive those things too. (Which wouldn't mean working people to death) Would you sign on for that? Or are you so brainwashed that you think that greed and accumulating as much as you can at any negative cost to society is the best option for society.

Greed goes both ways, you want to exploit people and tell them what they can make.

Given those things for a price? Sounds like you want slavery.

My point is, I have worked so in time I can retire and do what I want to do. I don't want government to give me a home, a job, I don't want free food, free campsites, that is not government's role in this country and never has been. You want government to set you up and when that happens, then you owe government, who is very greedy, in fact, probably greedier than most of corporate America.

I work long hours and I don't mind it, I find my job rewarding.

 

[WEATHER53]

Why do libs always promote that we should adopt the living procedures of lesser lands?

 

[Papageorgio]

Why do libs always promote that we should adopt the living procedures of lesser lands?

They seem to have guilt for our living standards.

 

[Andylusion]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

A lower standard of living, smaller cars, smaller homes, a smaller economy.

Last year's happiness report shows most of the top countries are in Europe.

USA is 19th; you dont get out much do you.

My grandparents were poor and happy too...….
is that supposed to sell me on the lower European standard of living?

The happiness index is from 2019, not from 70 years ago.

The Happiness index is ridiculous and stupid.

Interestingly, if people actually read the report, they admit in their own report, that it is a "subjective measure of well-being".

Happiness is subjective. Nothing in this world can "MAKE" you happy. Happiness is on your part. You chose to make the best of life. Because the reality is, people in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, all face the same troubles in this world, that all of us do. They just make a choice as human beings, to be happy in the face of adversity that is ubiquitous in all human life.

Now that doesn't mean there are not some things to learn from this, it's just that typically the lesson that should be learned, is the exact opposite of what the left-wingers claim.

Let's take "Perceptions of Corruption". Now I love this one, because right in the name, it says this isn't data based, just perception based. Denmark is 3rd place behind Singapore and Rwanda, on lowest levels of Perceived corruption.

Now interesting is the fact, that the Danish government just had a huge multi-level scandal.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20190311/danish-tax-agency-was-warned-about-embezzlement-but-shelved-case

The not only did officials embezzle 111 Million Krone, but the tax agency was warned of the embezzlement, and simply chose to not investigate.

But.... the perception.... the PERCEPTION of corruption is low.

Meanwhile in the US, we had a clearly, and empirically proven false claims of corruption between Trump and the Russians, but simply because the media hounded this false notion throughout the country, there is a PERCEPTION of corruption.

Now you may ask yourself, why is it that the Danish media is acting so differently than the US media, and why is the perception so different between countries.

Well Canada may have the answer from a recent article.

Jack Mintz: Actually, evidence shows âdiversityâ makes countries weaker â not stronger

Canada faces a real test in maintaining national identity when so many come from disparate backgrounds, and in avoiding problems that occur with ethnic conflict

business.financialpost.com

What they found is that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity, leads to distrust, and distrust leads to the perception of corruption.

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On the cultural diversity index, Denmark Finland, Netherlands and so on, are ranked 9th through 17th, as least culturally diverse. While the US, is 75th, or much more culturally diverse.

The lesson here, is that cultural homogeneity is beneficial to society. The exact opposite of what left-wing people push.

The next statistical crap used for the Happiness Index, is generosity.

How do I know it's crap? Just look at the top 5, highest rated countries according to their data.

Myanmar
Indonesia
Haiti
Kenya
Bhutan

Do tell: Which of these gleaming examples of generosity would you like the US to be more like?

Let's take the 1# winner, top of the list, Myanmar.

Whoops. | Virgin

www.virgin.com

Even generally left-wing media outlets, look in disbelief at the claim. Myanmar, where have had on and off, civil wars going for years. Military rule, child soldiers, human trafficking, enslavement, roughly 300K dead, lists of human rights violations, and just recently attempted a complete extermination and genocide of a Muslim sect. So much for the eternally peaceful Buddhists.

Yet somehow according to the Happiness Index, the US is ranked 20th, and the genocidal civil war ravaged Myanmar... is number 1.

Utter garbage. Any other non-politically motivated ranking, finds Americans are the most generous of all people on Earth.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-12-20/the-worlds-most-generous-countries

United States #1.

The next is Social Support.

Now in this, you see that Iceland is ranked #1 with most of the Nordic countries in the top slots, and the United States is ranked 37th.

But is that really all that accurate?

Iceland No Longer Following Nordic Welfare Model

According to Harpa Njálsdóttir, who has been analysing the development of the Icelandic welfare system for the past decade, recently told RÚV that Iceland is no longer following the Nordic welfare model.

grapevine.is

No Nordic Welfare System | IceNews - Daily News

Harpa Njálsdóttir has been analysing the Icelandic welfare system and its development for the past ten years says that Iceland is no longer following ...

www.icenews.is

Iceland has moved away from welfare, into programs similar to the US. In that, they require you to work.

In fact, many people on the left would be shocked to know that nearly all Nordic countries do not have welfare programs. They have unemployment insurance. If you work for a full year at least, and are not fired with cause, then you can collect unemployment insurance. But even then that is limited, and if you decline a job offer, your benefits are reduced or even canceled.

Denmark in particular, if you refuse to relocate to a new town or city, where a job is offered, then you lose you unemployment benefits.

Finland to end basic income trial after two years

Government rejects request for funds to expand scheme and plans stricter benefits rules

www.theguardian.com

Finland ended their 'living wage' plan after 2 years, for exactly the same reason Conservatives like myself were against them. Because people simply didn't work. Why work, if you are paid to stay home? And that's exactly what the government of Finland found.

If you want the US to adopt some of the policies of Finland, then I'm all for it. Let's end all welfare immediately, to be more like Finland, and Iceland, and all these Nordic countries.

And that by the way, leads me to question the validity of the stats used, because Iceland doesn't have people who have been living off of government welfare, and food stamps, and public housing their entire lives. We do. So based on what, are they saying Iceland has more social support?

Again, the lesson that should be learned, is the exact opposite of what left-wingers claim.

Now let's look at life expectancy.

This is dumb for a couple of reasons. One, is because it has to do with life expectancy. And I know this might come as a complete shock, but biology has something to do with that.

Japan, has some of the lowest rates of cancer on Earth. Then simply have less incidences of cancer.

It's not because they detect cancer early, it's that they simply have cancer at a much much lower rate.

Global cancer data by country | World Cancer Research Fund International

Explore rates of cancer according to country, including statistics for men and women, and discover which country has the highest cancer rates

www.wcrf.org

Statistically, the US has the 5th highest in a list of 50 nations, while Japan is 43rd. Your life span has something to do with your biology. Doesn't matter what nation you are in.

In fact, if you look at Singapore, they have numbers based on ethnicity and some ethnic groups have higher rates, and some have lower rates. Your biology has a large factor on how long you live.

So making a comparison on a factor no country has control of, is dumb.

Second, the factors we can control, are factors like crime. Murder, and drug use, are major factors in "Healthy life expectancy".

Now the irony here is, that the left-wing stands against everything that would improve those factors.

There is a reason that Singapore is number one on the list. They kill criminals. That's why Singapore is routinely rated in the top 5, if not number one, safest city in the world for travelers.

The last execution as a guy who brought drugs into Singapore in 2014, was convicted 2016 (roughly), and executed 2018.

That's how you control a drug problem.

The last murderer I read up on, was a guy who kidnapped a young girl at a mall, raped her, and murdered her. Two years from the crime, he was convicted. Two years from the conviction, he was executed.

That's how you control crime. You name any city in the US, with 5.7 Million people, that records fewer than 10 murders a year, and sometimes zero? Can you?

Last execution that was supposed to happen in Ohio, on the 15th of April got a repreive. The guy was seen at the crime, where a mother and daughter were murdered together, and his blood was found with the bodies. That was 1999. It's now 2020, and they still have not executed this guy. Singapore, 4 years tops. United States, 20 years later, still no justice.

But the left-wing wants to do the exact opposite. They oppose the death penalty, they oppose incarceration screaming about private prisons and 'incarceration nation', and they want to legalize drug use which clearly results in more crime.

Every single thing we should learn from the stats used in the Happiness Index, are the exact opposite of what the left-wing stands for.

 

[Andylusion]

Why do libs always promote that we should adopt the living procedures of lesser lands?

There are Three reasons.

1. Mythology. They believe things about other nations that are not true. Like living wages in Finland, when the Finland experiment failed, and they ended it.

The grass is always greener, if you are only dreaming about it, instead of seeing it.

Just like the dumb guy, who is always dreaming about a super model, when he could be with the perfectly good looking woman who actually likes him.

Everyone thinks that someone else should pick up the bill. Someone else will pay the fees. Someone else will pay the taxes. It is all mythology based.

2. Hate and Envy. They simply hate what they have, because they are filled with hate. They see others doing better than themselves, and hate them for it.

It's much easier for pathetic people, to blame the system, or blame society, because that takes away the burden of looking at themselves in the mirror, and seeing what is really wrong with themselves.

It's the ball-less cowards ideology, that says "no it can't be anything I'm doing wrong. It *Must* be everything else that is at fault.

Years ago, I had a co-worker that as going on his 9th divorce. We were eating at a restaurant, and I couldn't help but ask.... "Is it possible you might be doing something to cause all these marriages to fail?"

He looked at me like I just beamed down from pluto. "Of course not! Of course not at all."

That's left-wing ideology to it's very core. Everything in their lives that isn't the way they want, it must be the rich people's fault, or societies fault, or the economic system's fault. But it simply can't be their fault.

3. Political partisan crap.

The bottom line is, there are people who just flat out believe whatever their favorite idiot says. It's that simple.

And others who simply oppose whatever the other idiot says, no matter what.

This is how you get Democrats defending MS-13, because Trump said they were animals... when they are in fact animals.

This is why you get people supporting AOC after she said she was going to spend the money from a "tax break" on schools and hospitals.

My grandmother was a life long Democrat. No one in the entire family every talked to her about politics for anything. Because there was no point. She was a Democrat, and she voted Democrat, and a Democrat could drive an intern into a lake, and drowned her, and it didn't matter. Grandma was a Democrat, and that's who she voted for.

There are people like that in our culture on both sides. Nothing we can do about it.

 

[dudmuck]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

A lower standard of living, smaller cars, smaller homes, a smaller economy.

Last year's happiness report shows most of the top countries are in Europe.

USA is 19th; you dont get out much do you.

My grandparents were poor and happy too...….
is that supposed to sell me on the lower European standard of living?

The happiness index is from 2019, not from 70 years ago.

The Happiness index is ridiculous and stupid.

Interestingly, if people actually read the report, they admit in their own report, that it is a "subjective measure of well-being".

Happiness is subjective. Nothing in this world can "MAKE" you happy. Happiness is on your part. You chose to make the best of life. Because the reality is, people in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, all face the same troubles in this world, that all of us do. They just make a choice as human beings, to be happy in the face of adversity that is ubiquitous in all human life.

Now that doesn't mean there are not some things to learn from this, it's just that typically the lesson that should be learned, is the exact opposite of what the left-wingers claim.

Let's take "Perceptions of Corruption". Now I love this one, because right in the name, it says this isn't data based, just perception based. Denmark is 3rd place behind Singapore and Rwanda, on lowest levels of Perceived corruption.

Now interesting is the fact, that the Danish government just had a huge multi-level scandal.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20190311/danish-tax-agency-was-warned-about-embezzlement-but-shelved-case

The not only did officials embezzle 111 Million Krone, but the tax agency was warned of the embezzlement, and simply chose to not investigate.

But.... the perception.... the PERCEPTION of corruption is low.

Meanwhile in the US, we had a clearly, and empirically proven false claims of corruption between Trump and the Russians, but simply because the media hounded this false notion throughout the country, there is a PERCEPTION of corruption.

Now you may ask yourself, why is it that the Danish media is acting so differently than the US media, and why is the perception so different between countries.

Well Canada may have the answer from a recent article.

Jack Mintz: Actually, evidence shows âdiversityâ makes countries weaker â not stronger

Canada faces a real test in maintaining national identity when so many come from disparate backgrounds, and in avoiding problems that occur with ethnic conflict

business.financialpost.com

What they found is that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity, leads to distrust, and distrust leads to the perception of corruption.

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On the cultural diversity index, Denmark Finland, Netherlands and so on, are ranked 9th through 17th, as least culturally diverse. While the US, is 75th, or much more culturally diverse.

The lesson here, is that cultural homogeneity is beneficial to society. The exact opposite of what left-wing people push.

The next statistical crap used for the Happiness Index, is generosity.

How do I know it's crap? Just look at the top 5, highest rated countries according to their data.

Myanmar
Indonesia
Haiti
Kenya
Bhutan

Do tell: Which of these gleaming examples of generosity would you like the US to be more like?

Let's take the 1# winner, top of the list, Myanmar.

Whoops. | Virgin

www.virgin.com

Even generally left-wing media outlets, look in disbelief at the claim. Myanmar, where have had on and off, civil wars going for years. Military rule, child soldiers, human trafficking, enslavement, roughly 300K dead, lists of human rights violations, and just recently attempted a complete extermination and genocide of a Muslim sect. So much for the eternally peaceful Buddhists.

Yet somehow according to the Happiness Index, the US is ranked 20th, and the genocidal civil war ravaged Myanmar... is number 1.

Utter garbage. Any other non-politically motivated ranking, finds Americans are the most generous of all people on Earth.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-12-20/the-worlds-most-generous-countries

United States #1.

The next is Social Support.

Now in this, you see that Iceland is ranked #1 with most of the Nordic countries in the top slots, and the United States is ranked 37th.

But is that really all that accurate?

Iceland No Longer Following Nordic Welfare Model

According to Harpa Njálsdóttir, who has been analysing the development of the Icelandic welfare system for the past decade, recently told RÚV that Iceland is no longer following the Nordic welfare model.

grapevine.is

No Nordic Welfare System | IceNews - Daily News

Harpa Njálsdóttir has been analysing the Icelandic welfare system and its development for the past ten years says that Iceland is no longer following ...

www.icenews.is

Iceland has moved away from welfare, into programs similar to the US. In that, they require you to work.

In fact, many people on the left would be shocked to know that nearly all Nordic countries do not have welfare programs. They have unemployment insurance. If you work for a full year at least, and are not fired with cause, then you can collect unemployment insurance. But even then that is limited, and if you decline a job offer, your benefits are reduced or even canceled.

Denmark in particular, if you refuse to relocate to a new town or city, where a job is offered, then you lose you unemployment benefits.

Finland to end basic income trial after two years

Government rejects request for funds to expand scheme and plans stricter benefits rules

www.theguardian.com

Finland ended their 'living wage' plan after 2 years, for exactly the same reason Conservatives like myself were against them. Because people simply didn't work. Why work, if you are paid to stay home? And that's exactly what the government of Finland found.

If you want the US to adopt some of the policies of Finland, then I'm all for it. Let's end all welfare immediately, to be more like Finland, and Iceland, and all these Nordic countries.

And that by the way, leads me to question the validity of the stats used, because Iceland doesn't have people who have been living off of government welfare, and food stamps, and public housing their entire lives. We do. So based on what, are they saying Iceland has more social support?

Again, the lesson that should be learned, is the exact opposite of what left-wingers claim.

Now let's look at life expectancy.

This is dumb for a couple of reasons. One, is because it has to do with life expectancy. And I know this might come as a complete shock, but biology has something to do with that.

Japan, has some of the lowest rates of cancer on Earth. Then simply have less incidences of cancer.

It's not because they detect cancer early, it's that they simply have cancer at a much much lower rate.

Global cancer data by country | World Cancer Research Fund International

Explore rates of cancer according to country, including statistics for men and women, and discover which country has the highest cancer rates

www.wcrf.org

Statistically, the US has the 5th highest in a list of 50 nations, while Japan is 43rd. Your life span has something to do with your biology. Doesn't matter what nation you are in.

In fact, if you look at Singapore, they have numbers based on ethnicity and some ethnic groups have higher rates, and some have lower rates. Your biology has a large factor on how long you live.

So making a comparison on a factor no country has control of, is dumb.

Second, the factors we can control, are factors like crime. Murder, and drug use, are major factors in "Healthy life expectancy".

Now the irony here is, that the left-wing stands against everything that would improve those factors.

There is a reason that Singapore is number one on the list. They kill criminals. That's why Singapore is routinely rated in the top 5, if not number one, safest city in the world for travelers.

The last execution as a guy who brought drugs into Singapore in 2014, was convicted 2016 (roughly), and executed 2018.

That's how you control a drug problem.

The last murderer I read up on, was a guy who kidnapped a young girl at a mall, raped her, and murdered her. Two years from the crime, he was convicted. Two years from the conviction, he was executed.

That's how you control crime. You name any city in the US, with 5.7 Million people, that records fewer than 10 murders a year, and sometimes zero? Can you?

Last execution that was supposed to happen in Ohio, on the 15th of April got a repreive. The guy was seen at the crime, where a mother and daughter were murdered together, and his blood was found with the bodies. That was 1999. It's now 2020, and they still have not executed this guy. Singapore, 4 years tops. United States, 20 years later, still no justice.

But the left-wing wants to do the exact opposite. They oppose the death penalty, they oppose incarceration screaming about private prisons and 'incarceration nation', and they want to legalize drug use which clearly results in more crime.

Every single thing we should learn from the stats used in the Happiness Index, are the exact opposite of what the left-wing stands for.

wow, of course happiness is subjective, but its influenced greatly by your environment.
Myanmar is actually 131st on the list, not very happy. But it gets high rating on generosity because of large participation in theravda buddism, which is very generous.
Rwanda likewise is practically the least happiest at 152nd. But it makes considerable effort in rooting out corruption

There are 14 different metrics of happiness, and corruption and generosity are only two of them.

Corruption in US is objective. One example is congressional oversight of bailout loans, or lack thereof.
Perhaps the best example of corruption is Trump's pardoning of corrupt officials, normalizing corruption.
Another example is Trump accusing mail-in-voting as corrupt, when it actually is not.
Emoluments violations, etc.

United States happiness ranking
2016: 13th
2017: 14th
2018: 18th
2019: 19th

The U.S. Is the Unhappiest It’s Ever Been

The 2019 World Happiness Report says the U.S. has a business-driven culture of addiction.

fortune.com

Certainly was happier under Obama.

 

[WEATHER53]

Why do libs always promote that we should adopt the living procedures of lesser lands?

They seem to have guilt for our living standards.

I think it’s more that they can’t achieve a good standard of living therefore out of frustration and jealousy they try to declare a good standard of living as not good.

 

[Norman]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

The elderly were not thrown down the hole by capitalism, that was Cuomo.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do libs always promote that we should adopt the living procedures of lesser lands?

Because they've never lived in these lesser lands. It all looks good on paper, but very few Americans could live in such places for long periods of time and be happy. We are all products of our environment.

I'm a fool for the city, but I was born and always lived in the city. Moving out to the country where everything virtually stands still would drive me insane. Nice for a vacation once in a while, but at the end of those two weeks, I'd be glad when I got home. Most people who live in the country feel the same way about moving into a city. They could never be happy.

In the winter and when it's raining over here, I spend a lot of time watching HGTV. I've seen many episodes of Americans who moved to someplace in Europe. The vintage architecture is amazing and romantic, the in town areas very inviting. The apartments or houses there are like camping. They are very primitive and tiny. It's only good for sleeping, eating and getting a bath or shower.

 

[Andylusion]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

A lower standard of living, smaller cars, smaller homes, a smaller economy.

Last year's happiness report shows most of the top countries are in Europe.

USA is 19th; you dont get out much do you.

My grandparents were poor and happy too...….
is that supposed to sell me on the lower European standard of living?

The happiness index is from 2019, not from 70 years ago.

The Happiness index is ridiculous and stupid.

Interestingly, if people actually read the report, they admit in their own report, that it is a "subjective measure of well-being".

Happiness is subjective. Nothing in this world can "MAKE" you happy. Happiness is on your part. You chose to make the best of life. Because the reality is, people in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, all face the same troubles in this world, that all of us do. They just make a choice as human beings, to be happy in the face of adversity that is ubiquitous in all human life.

Now that doesn't mean there are not some things to learn from this, it's just that typically the lesson that should be learned, is the exact opposite of what the left-wingers claim.

Let's take "Perceptions of Corruption". Now I love this one, because right in the name, it says this isn't data based, just perception based. Denmark is 3rd place behind Singapore and Rwanda, on lowest levels of Perceived corruption.

Now interesting is the fact, that the Danish government just had a huge multi-level scandal.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20190311/danish-tax-agency-was-warned-about-embezzlement-but-shelved-case

The not only did officials embezzle 111 Million Krone, but the tax agency was warned of the embezzlement, and simply chose to not investigate.

But.... the perception.... the PERCEPTION of corruption is low.

Meanwhile in the US, we had a clearly, and empirically proven false claims of corruption between Trump and the Russians, but simply because the media hounded this false notion throughout the country, there is a PERCEPTION of corruption.

Now you may ask yourself, why is it that the Danish media is acting so differently than the US media, and why is the perception so different between countries.

Well Canada may have the answer from a recent article.

Jack Mintz: Actually, evidence shows âdiversityâ makes countries weaker â not stronger

Canada faces a real test in maintaining national identity when so many come from disparate backgrounds, and in avoiding problems that occur with ethnic conflict

business.financialpost.com

What they found is that multiculturalism and ethnic diversity, leads to distrust, and distrust leads to the perception of corruption.

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On the cultural diversity index, Denmark Finland, Netherlands and so on, are ranked 9th through 17th, as least culturally diverse. While the US, is 75th, or much more culturally diverse.

The lesson here, is that cultural homogeneity is beneficial to society. The exact opposite of what left-wing people push.

The next statistical crap used for the Happiness Index, is generosity.

How do I know it's crap? Just look at the top 5, highest rated countries according to their data.

Myanmar
Indonesia
Haiti
Kenya
Bhutan

Do tell: Which of these gleaming examples of generosity would you like the US to be more like?

Let's take the 1# winner, top of the list, Myanmar.

Whoops. | Virgin

www.virgin.com

Even generally left-wing media outlets, look in disbelief at the claim. Myanmar, where have had on and off, civil wars going for years. Military rule, child soldiers, human trafficking, enslavement, roughly 300K dead, lists of human rights violations, and just recently attempted a complete extermination and genocide of a Muslim sect. So much for the eternally peaceful Buddhists.

Yet somehow according to the Happiness Index, the US is ranked 20th, and the genocidal civil war ravaged Myanmar... is number 1.

Utter garbage. Any other non-politically motivated ranking, finds Americans are the most generous of all people on Earth.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-12-20/the-worlds-most-generous-countries

United States #1.

The next is Social Support.

Now in this, you see that Iceland is ranked #1 with most of the Nordic countries in the top slots, and the United States is ranked 37th.

But is that really all that accurate?

Iceland No Longer Following Nordic Welfare Model

According to Harpa Njálsdóttir, who has been analysing the development of the Icelandic welfare system for the past decade, recently told RÚV that Iceland is no longer following the Nordic welfare model.

grapevine.is

No Nordic Welfare System | IceNews - Daily News

Harpa Njálsdóttir has been analysing the Icelandic welfare system and its development for the past ten years says that Iceland is no longer following ...

www.icenews.is

Iceland has moved away from welfare, into programs similar to the US. In that, they require you to work.

In fact, many people on the left would be shocked to know that nearly all Nordic countries do not have welfare programs. They have unemployment insurance. If you work for a full year at least, and are not fired with cause, then you can collect unemployment insurance. But even then that is limited, and if you decline a job offer, your benefits are reduced or even canceled.

Denmark in particular, if you refuse to relocate to a new town or city, where a job is offered, then you lose you unemployment benefits.

Finland to end basic income trial after two years

Government rejects request for funds to expand scheme and plans stricter benefits rules

www.theguardian.com

Finland ended their 'living wage' plan after 2 years, for exactly the same reason Conservatives like myself were against them. Because people simply didn't work. Why work, if you are paid to stay home? And that's exactly what the government of Finland found.

If you want the US to adopt some of the policies of Finland, then I'm all for it. Let's end all welfare immediately, to be more like Finland, and Iceland, and all these Nordic countries.

And that by the way, leads me to question the validity of the stats used, because Iceland doesn't have people who have been living off of government welfare, and food stamps, and public housing their entire lives. We do. So based on what, are they saying Iceland has more social support?

Again, the lesson that should be learned, is the exact opposite of what left-wingers claim.

Now let's look at life expectancy.

This is dumb for a couple of reasons. One, is because it has to do with life expectancy. And I know this might come as a complete shock, but biology has something to do with that.

Japan, has some of the lowest rates of cancer on Earth. Then simply have less incidences of cancer.

It's not because they detect cancer early, it's that they simply have cancer at a much much lower rate.

Global cancer data by country | World Cancer Research Fund International

Explore rates of cancer according to country, including statistics for men and women, and discover which country has the highest cancer rates

www.wcrf.org

Statistically, the US has the 5th highest in a list of 50 nations, while Japan is 43rd. Your life span has something to do with your biology. Doesn't matter what nation you are in.

In fact, if you look at Singapore, they have numbers based on ethnicity and some ethnic groups have higher rates, and some have lower rates. Your biology has a large factor on how long you live.

So making a comparison on a factor no country has control of, is dumb.

Second, the factors we can control, are factors like crime. Murder, and drug use, are major factors in "Healthy life expectancy".

Now the irony here is, that the left-wing stands against everything that would improve those factors.

There is a reason that Singapore is number one on the list. They kill criminals. That's why Singapore is routinely rated in the top 5, if not number one, safest city in the world for travelers.

The last execution as a guy who brought drugs into Singapore in 2014, was convicted 2016 (roughly), and executed 2018.

That's how you control a drug problem.

The last murderer I read up on, was a guy who kidnapped a young girl at a mall, raped her, and murdered her. Two years from the crime, he was convicted. Two years from the conviction, he was executed.

That's how you control crime. You name any city in the US, with 5.7 Million people, that records fewer than 10 murders a year, and sometimes zero? Can you?

Last execution that was supposed to happen in Ohio, on the 15th of April got a repreive. The guy was seen at the crime, where a mother and daughter were murdered together, and his blood was found with the bodies. That was 1999. It's now 2020, and they still have not executed this guy. Singapore, 4 years tops. United States, 20 years later, still no justice.

But the left-wing wants to do the exact opposite. They oppose the death penalty, they oppose incarceration screaming about private prisons and 'incarceration nation', and they want to legalize drug use which clearly results in more crime.

Every single thing we should learn from the stats used in the Happiness Index, are the exact opposite of what the left-wing stands for.

wow, of course happiness is subjective, but its influenced greatly by your environment.
Myanmar is actually 131st on the list, not very happy. But it gets high rating on generosity because of large participation in theravda buddism, which is very generous.
Rwanda likewise is practically the least happiest at 152nd. But it makes considerable effort in rooting out corruption

There are 14 different metrics of happiness, and corruption and generosity are only two of them.

Corruption in US is objective. One example is congressional oversight of bailout loans, or lack thereof.
Perhaps the best example of corruption is Trump's pardoning of corrupt officials, normalizing corruption.
Another example is Trump accusing mail-in-voting as corrupt, when it actually is not.
Emoluments violations, etc.

United States happiness ranking
2016: 13th
2017: 14th
2018: 18th
2019: 19th

The U.S. Is the Unhappiest It’s Ever Been

The 2019 World Happiness Report says the U.S. has a business-driven culture of addiction.

fortune.com

Certainly was happier under Obama.

Myanmar is actually 131st on the list, not very happy. But it gets high rating on generosity because of large participation in theravda buddism, which is very generous.

Congrats. You made my point.

My entire point, if you missed it, was that I analyzed each of their criteria for how they determined what country was the most Happy, and destroyed each one.

Yes, they have a statistically high level of generosity, and yet they are miserable. The entire point is... their criteria for being "Happy", is crap.

So when you look at where countries are on the "happiness index", that ranking is trash, because the criteria used in the ranking is trash.

Corruption in US is objective. One example is congressional ovrsight of bailout loans, or lack thereof.

And yet Denmark, which placed extremely high, had clear clear documented, undeniable, uncontested, total corruption. Officials were embezzling money from the welfare system. And the government body that should be tasked to deal with that, simply didn't even investigate.

And by the way.... unlike your claim.... this is documented corruption, whereas right now all you have is a complaint that there was no oversight. What if it turns out all the bailout loans were all made legitimately?

Do you see what you just did? You made an assumption of corruption, with zero evidence, which that in itself, makes my point. You made my point. My point was, the word "Perception" is key.

Denmark, even with clearly documented and proven corruption, is perceived to be least corrupt. You looking at someone just asking for oversight, assumed there was corruption... you 'perceived' there is corruption, even when there is not yet a single shred of evidence proving such.

Again, you made my whole point. You just proved what I said true.

United States happiness ranking
2016: 13th
2017: 14th
2018: 18th
2019: 19th

The U.S. Is the Unhappiest It’s Ever Been

The 2019 World Happiness Report says the U.S. has a business-driven culture of addiction.

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Certainly was happier under Obama.

Again, only based on flawed criteria that I proved, and you then proved, as being false.

I proved it was flawed. You proved it was flawed with your own post. So... yeah only based on this garbage ranking, is the US least happy.

Now again, I actually think the US is becoming less happy... and it was because of Obama, and left-wingers.

We need to stamp out crime. We could do this, but left-wingers oppose it.
We need to stamp out drug use. We could do this, but left-wingers oppose it.
We need to eliminate multiculturalism. We could do this, but left-wingers oppose it.

I agree, things have gotten worse, thanks to the left wing.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

A lower standard of living, smaller cars, smaller homes, a smaller economy.

That may be true. I've never been there. But the point is that they get. We don't. They may have to pay a little more in taxes. But they get WAY more for their money. Also, the size of their economy doesn't matter. During the great depression, from what I hear, poverty was easier to take. Because everybody was in the same boat. So even if things are to a lesser degree in Europe, nobody cares because everybody is in the same boat. Also, I saw some really poor people in Africa being interviewed. They have way less in material goods than people in the U.S. They were asked if they were happy. From what I remember, everybody said they were. And isn't that what really matters? Whether or not you are happy?

Here is something else to consider. The U.S. has much arable land and far more natural resources than Germany. We also have around 319 million people. Germany is much smaller and only has around 81 million people. For one particular year not long ago, the value of our exports for that year were around 1 trillion, 600 billion. The value of Germany's exports for that year were around 1 trillion, 400 billion. Economically, we are practically a third world nation compared to Germany.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

A lower standard of living, smaller cars, smaller homes, a smaller economy.

That may be true. I've never been there. But the point is that they get. We don't. They may have to pay a little more in taxes. But they get WAY more for their money. Also, the size of their economy doesn't matter. During the great depression, from what I hear, poverty was easier to take. Because everybody was in the same boat. So even if things are to a lesser degree in Europe, nobody cares because everybody is in the same boat. Also, I saw some really poor people in Africa being interviewed. They have way less in material goods than people in the U.S. They were asked if they were happy. From what I remember, everybody said they were. And isn't that what really matters? Whether or not you are happy?

Here is something else to consider. The U.S. has much arable land and far more natural resources than Germany. We also have around 319 million people. Germany is much smaller and only has around 81 million people. For one particular year not long ago, the value of our exports for that year were around 1 trillion, 600 billion. The value of Germany's exports for that year were around 1 trillion, 400 billion. Economically, we are practically a third world nation compared to Germany.

They may have to pay a little more in taxes.

A lot more.

But they get WAY more for their money

No, their stuff is more expensive. That means they get LESS for their money.

Also, the size of their economy doesn't matter.

Really? DURR.

And isn't that what really matters? Whether or not you are happy?

But you're poor AND miserable. So you've got that going for you.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

To be honest, I not only find Moorecrap appalling, but also hypocritical. He runs around talking about how great all these other places are, but never moves to one of them himself. He made his millions here because if he lived in these other places, he would have never made it to be a single millionaire yet alone multi-millionaire.

I love this capitalist country. It allows even the average Joe to become successful with a lot of dedication, a lot of hard work, sometimes a lot of education, and a lot of risk taking. One of the reasons so many people want to come here is because we are a capitalist system, an opportunity their former country never presented to them.

Did you watch the documentary? Are you to afraid to? Are you too stupid to judge for yourself? I said that there were things in the documentary that I didn't agree with. I was disgusted by his pro-negro stance. It was sickening to see German school children being taught lies about the "holocaust." But you have to give the devil his due. He made some very good points in the documentary. I watched it again last night. Seeing how I was discussing it here. Turns out it wasn't Norway who had the best educated children. It was Finland. It was also interesting that their school tests didn't involve multiple choice answers.

Michael more made another documentary that is well worth seeing. It is called "Sicko." I don't remember if I got this information from it. But I don't think so. This information is that as a percentage of our GDP, Americans pay far more for medical coverage than countries that provide it for free.

It is with shit like this going on that pisses me off about everybody screaming about the economy being destroyed because of the coronavirus shutdown. Our capitalist economy is a joke to begin with. And your views on it are equally as stupid. For the most part, the only way to get ahead in this country is to basically fuck other people up the ass. Americans work harder and longer than the people of any other developed country. And receive far less for their efforts.

Also, in the "Where to invade next" documentary, Michael Moore was talking to an Italian couple. The man brought up how many Italians think it would be great to move to the U.S. But these were people who, among other things, got one month's paid vacation each year. (Maybe two) Like other Italian workers. They got their minds changed when he told them that in the U.S., you got zero! Or if you were really lucky, maybe two weeks. And even then, in most cases, I doubt if you would be paid while you were on vacation.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Your intellectual superior.

Total fail. Right there.

Listen... A: No one listens to people who are arrogant, because if you actually were intellectually superior, you wouldn't be arrogant about it. People are actually smart, are smart enough to realize the limits of what they know, and thus are not arrogant.

Arrogance is universally reserved for the people who are dumb, and don't know it.

B: As a general rule of all human kind.... if you have tell everyone that you are superior... the fact you have to tell them "I am intellectually superior"... proves you are not.

If you were.... you wouldn't have to tell us. This is why only crap cars have "Sport" written on them. Because you would never know they were sporty, unless it said "Sport" on the side of the car.

No one needs "Sport" written on the side of a Porche Boxster or Chevy Corvette, or Audi R8. Just by looking... you know it's a sports car.

The very fact that you had to try and 'tell us' that you are "intellectually superior"... proves conclusively that you are not.

You just destroyed yourself in your own post. Now I know as fact, that I am dealing with an arrogant idiot.

You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) all of the various kinds of insults I have received from many people at other forums. So as far as I'm concerned, they can all suck my ass. I will tell people up front what intellectual worms they are compared to me. And get banned as I go about proving it.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Your intellectual superior.

Total fail. Right there.

Listen... A: No one listens to people who are arrogant, because if you actually were intellectually superior, you wouldn't be arrogant about it. People are actually smart, are smart enough to realize the limits of what they know, and thus are not arrogant.

Arrogance is universally reserved for the people who are dumb, and don't know it.

B: As a general rule of all human kind.... if you have tell everyone that you are superior... the fact you have to tell them "I am intellectually superior"... proves you are not.

If you were.... you wouldn't have to tell us. This is why only crap cars have "Sport" written on them. Because you would never know they were sporty, unless it said "Sport" on the side of the car.

No one needs "Sport" written on the side of a Porche Boxster or Chevy Corvette, or Audi R8. Just by looking... you know it's a sports car.

The very fact that you had to try and 'tell us' that you are "intellectually superior"... proves conclusively that you are not.

You just destroyed yourself in your own post. Now I know as fact, that I am dealing with an arrogant idiot.

In one post he insults me by professing his superior intellect to mine, and in another making claim how he never made any good money, and even referred to himself as poor, so to the point he used welfare at one time in his life.

I never claim to be superior to anybody, and I made a decent living, have investments that are now paying off, and never collected welfare. The closest I came to welfare was being on unemployment for four months over 30 years ago. Immediately after that, I secured my CDL, then upgraded that to a class A (tractor-trailer) and did okay with that given my lack of intellect.

Money doesn't mean intelligent. Just look at that silver spoon, affluenza suffering piece of capitalist shit president Chump.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

Why not watch the documentary, "Where to invade next" and find out. You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't. Though as Michael Moore says, things over there aren't perfect. But he's there to pick the flowers. Not the weeds. He was there to invade those countries and take back to the U.S. the spoils of his invasion. As in the good ideas. The things that have been demonstrated to work. At least over there. But maybe with out large negro and mexican population, they wouldn't work here. But it would be well worth impaling and deporting the hindrance for many other reasons. Also, I wasn't trying to degrade you. Just some of the things you talk about. Even a genius could probably be brainwashed. (But not me)

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

A lower standard of living, smaller cars, smaller homes, a smaller economy.

They also have 8 bucks a gallon for gasoline.

But their societies weren't structures around the automobile. Unlike ours. Here, we have a lot of suburban sprawl. People live so way far out that if there was ever an EMP that killed cars, they would find it very difficult to get food.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

People live so way far out that if there was ever an EMP that killed cars, they would find it very difficult to get food.

People who use public transportation will find it easier to get food......how exactly?

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

No, actually I wouldn't, because I know people who lived in Europe, and now in the US. I have been to Europe myself, and I have seen first hand how people live.

They live in small homes, a fraction the size of American homes. A fraction of the size. Not only are European homes tiny, but they have far fewer amenities than US homes.

This picture is from a hotel... HOTEL, not motel, from Sweden.

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Yes, that's right, the bathroom, is the same room, as the bedroom. Note the size of the toilet compared to the shower. That's right. Shower is about the same size as the toilet.

Most people in Europe in general, do not have Air Conditioning. Even to this day, Air Condition is reserved only for the elite and rich.

Most people simply can't afford to run air conditioning, even if they had it.

One lady who married a guy from France, wrote in her editorial, that she was laying on the couch in summer, drenched in sweat from it being 100ºF, and even then the husband wasn't sure if he could afford to turn on the A/C.

As I said, I've been to Europe. I've seen the clothes lines strung up inside homes, to let clothes dry, because they can't afford a clothes drier.

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Drying racks like these, are normal in Europe. People simply can't afford to actually dry their clothes.

Electricity is horrendously expensive in Europe. Denmark and Germany, both have costs that exceed 30¢ per/kWh. That's compared to the US, where in Ohio it is 9¢ per/kWh.

Also keep in mind, they lose more than half their income in taxes, and they earn less money than US employees do.

So they earn less, and keep less of what they earn, and then they pay many times higher prices.

This is why when one of our Chemical Engineers that went to our church, when he moved to Germany, between the pay cut, and the higher taxes, and the much higher cost of fuel, he and his wife, both ended up not being able to afford a car. She had to ride a bike to the store, and ended up dumping her purchases as few times trying to ride back home. He had to spend an extra half hour, commuting to work on a bicycle.

It wasn't because they enjoyed spending hours getting anywhere. It wasn't because they loved getting blown off the road by high wind, or rained on all the way to work and back.

It was because the cost $5.80 per gallon in Germany. And Germany has "cheap" gasoline. Norway was charging $7.30 per gallon. That was the last quarter of 2019, when prices had already fallen quite a bit.

Now prices are down to 'almost'.... $4 a gallon.

And by the way, the doesn't include the $20 eco-stickers required to drive on German roads.

Driving in Germany

Roads in Germany. Main traffic rules and fines in Germany. Map of roads and the cost of gasoline in Germany. Across Europe on a car.

autotraveler.ru

Traveling in Germany has tolls all over the country. You want to take your family on a vacation, you could spend $100 to $200 just getting there, not including fuel costs.

This is why you see tiny 3-wheeled cars in Europe.
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Very common in Europe. I saw them when I was there. This isn't some clown car SNL skit... this is how people can afford to own a car, by buying one so tiny, you could almost walk faster than it.

Now that isn't to say that there are no really high quality cars in Europe... there are of course. They are just reserved for the rich. You don't see middle class people buying those cars in Europe. Can't afford it.

And I could go on and on. Most Europeans don't own Microwaves. Too expensive.

Many places like France, or the UK, most people only own one TV set, because you are taxed on how many TV sets you own. If you buy 3 TVs in the UK, they charge you three times the TV tax.

TV Licence - GOV.UK

You need a TV Licence to watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they're broadcast, and to watch on-demand BBC programmes on iPlayer

www.gov.uk

You have a family room, and a living room, and a bedroom? Cough up $200 per TV, per year.

Europeans are rich compared to 3rd world countries. Compared to most of South American, and Africa, and south east Asia.... Europe is a freakin dream world of wealth and bliss. No question about it.

But when you compare Europe to the US.... no sir. No. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Our poorest working people in this country, live a better life, than the middle class of Europe.

You can deny that, but that is the truth. I've seen it. The statistics show it. Everything supports that conclusion.

Well the U.S. is a much larger country than all of Europe. With far more natural resources. So I wouldn't go spouting off about American superiority in material goods. Also, if we gave people a free college education, free medical coverage, higher pay, paid vacations, etc etc etc, the sizes of houses here wouldn't shrink. Deny that, if you dare.

 

[quarantine]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Your intellectual superior.

Total fail. Right there.

Listen... A: No one listens to people who are arrogant, because if you actually were intellectually superior, you wouldn't be arrogant about it. People are actually smart, are smart enough to realize the limits of what they know, and thus are not arrogant.

Arrogance is universally reserved for the people who are dumb, and don't know it.

B: As a general rule of all human kind.... if you have tell everyone that you are superior... the fact you have to tell them "I am intellectually superior"... proves you are not.

If you were.... you wouldn't have to tell us. This is why only crap cars have "Sport" written on them. Because you would never know they were sporty, unless it said "Sport" on the side of the car.

No one needs "Sport" written on the side of a Porche Boxster or Chevy Corvette, or Audi R8. Just by looking... you know it's a sports car.

The very fact that you had to try and 'tell us' that you are "intellectually superior"... proves conclusively that you are not.

You just destroyed yourself in your own post. Now I know as fact, that I am dealing with an arrogant idiot.

In one post he insults me by professing his superior intellect to mine, and in another making claim how he never made any good money, and even referred to himself as poor, so to the point he used welfare at one time in his life.

I never claim to be superior to anybody, and I made a decent living, have investments that are now paying off, and never collected welfare. The closest I came to welfare was being on unemployment for four months over 30 years ago. Immediately after that, I secured my CDL, then upgraded that to a class A (tractor-trailer) and did okay with that given my lack of intellect.

There is nothing lacking in intelligence with you, Ray. I find your posts well informed and well thought out. Quarantine just happens to be self indulged with his delusional
political fantasies. I'm not sure he/her is even worth the effort.

Point out anything I said anywhere that is wrong. Willing to make the effort?

 

[Andylusion]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He didn't call it a hoax, he called what Democrats were trying to do with it another one of their hoaxes. Of course this was before we had any idea how this thing would impact us. But lets say he never made that statement. How would that have changed our current plight?

He called it a hoax. Next, it would have changed our current plight by taking it seriously from the beginning. And there would be over 30,000 fewer dead people.

President Trump is a former businessman, not a former scientist or medical expert. He took the advice from our various health agencies and his medical team to make decisions. Even in late February, Dr. Fauci made a public statement that this virus was nothing of great concern; go out and live life as you always have, and there is no need to use gloves or masks.

When the WHO made a public statement about their concern of this virus in late January, President Trump took action the next day. No, he didn't shutdown the country, but he did take a few precautionary measures, and increased those measures as new information because available, and his team and agencies were able to form a better opinion.

Today the CDC made an announcement that 35% of the Covid cases were with asymptomatic people. That means this virus likely has been with us much longer than we thought. Asymptomatic people have the virus and don't become ill because of it. However they are just as contagious as those that did get ill. That means these people were hugging their friends and family, shaking hands with strangers, drinking at bars and eating at restaurants, squeezing fruit and vegetables at their grocery store.

As for the non-asymptomatic people, the symptoms are similar to a bad cold or early flu, which a lot of people never seek medical attention for.

Therefore your theory about saving 30,000 people is your opinion, not fact.

Saving over 30,000 people with earlier action is what they said on the news last night. But admittedly, you can't always believe the news. For example, they say that Armaud Arbery was murdered. Though like it or not, president Chump started out by calling the whole thing a hoax. And it seems every step of the way, he has been dragging his feet. As for his "experts," they are on his payroll. They will basically say what they're told to say. Including the CDC. Don't believe it? Watch the documentary, "What lies upstream."

Your documentaries are not Gospel. They are trying to get you to watch their programming for profit.

Yes, if we started in September of last year, we could have saved tens of thousands of lives, but who knew what could happen back then? Trump didn't drag his feet. Our agencies are mired in red tape, and they practice these unnecessary prolonged actions that the President is not in control of.

In late February of this year, Cuomo was urging people to not worry about this silly virus. Go out, shop, dine, and carry on with your normal life. DeBlazio sent the same message to NYC residents around that same time. Piglosi was telling people to visit Chinatown. NOBODY KNEW!!!! The first two weeks of March, the House Democrats were trying to pass a bill stripping the President of his exclusive right to issue travel bans.

Bottom line is armchair quarterbacks like yourself can make any claim they desire. I always said if you want to hit todays lottery, buy tomorrows newspaper. Easier said than done.

Did you see any of those documentaries? Until you do, you can't have any kind of opinion about them. Next, nobody said anything about September. They were talking about early March.

You leftists always pull this stunt. So let me be clear up front: If I had to watch every documentary a leftists tells me to watch, watch every movie, read every book you people read, I wouldn't have time to come here and discuss politics. If you have a short article, sure, if I have time, I'll go through it. But I'm not going to spend hours and hours to reply to each and every leftist comment. You wouldn't read any book or watch any documentary I suggest either. Nobody has that kind of time.

You should listen to me. Your intellectual superior. I have no interest in steering you wrong. And you shouldn't assume I'm trying to do so. Take the documentary I mentioned called, "What lies upstream." I will tell you some of what you don't want to find out about yourself. First, companies aren't required to tell what the toxic effects of any chemical they make are. And the can lie about it! The CDC is fine with this because their leadership is appointed by the pro-business leadership of the government. Republican or democrat. Also, do you know how chemical companies get rid of their toxic waist? Basically, they flush it down the toilet! And it is perfectly legal!!! So what is the point of you having the time to say things here when all you have to speak about is shit to begin with.

Oh please, so you watch these "documentaries" and conclude they are all Gospel? WTF would make you think that? I always question what's told to me from somebody trying to make money by getting my attention, even if it's something that leans towards my political persuasion.

Facebook is loaded with conspiracy theories that after enough attention, is proven false by another entity. And as my intellectual superior, you should know by now that what you call toxic waist is spelled W-A-S-T-E, not W-A-I-S-T.

Thanks for letting me know about a typo. But as far as I can see, correcting my grammar is the best you've got. As for the conspiracy angle, they talked to the experts. People with PhD's in their particular fields. Top experts. As in there being just about no other people on the planet that may know more. You may not think so. But such people are well worth listening to.

Another documentary I mentioned to you was, "Where to invade next." Here is a piece of information from it that you can consider to be bullshit at your leisure. Apparently, Norway has the most highly educated students in the world. At the very least, they are in the top three. You might find how they accomplished this to be interesting. They eliminated homework. It seems counterintuitive. But it is a reality. In school, how much homework did you do. I didn't do any. Maybe that explains my intelligence.

Since you studied it so intensely, tell me, does Norway have anything comparable to our teachers unions? Does Norway have three months of vacation from school every year?

Somebody being an expert does not mean they are not biased. We have scientist who believe in global warming, and others who believe it's BS. We have "experts" who believe there is life on other planets, and others who do not. We have engineers who said that 911 was an inside job. Others say those people are FOS.

Being an expert doesn't mean you are always right. Speaking of which, I was never a spellcheck cop. But when somebody tires to degrade me by claiming their intellectual superioriority, the least you can do is proofread your post.

You would be dumbfounded, absolutely blown away by what people in European countries get that we don't.

No, actually I wouldn't, because I know people who lived in Europe, and now in the US. I have been to Europe myself, and I have seen first hand how people live.

They live in small homes, a fraction the size of American homes. A fraction of the size. Not only are European homes tiny, but they have far fewer amenities than US homes.

This picture is from a hotel... HOTEL, not motel, from Sweden.

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Yes, that's right, the bathroom, is the same room, as the bedroom. Note the size of the toilet compared to the shower. That's right. Shower is about the same size as the toilet.

Most people in Europe in general, do not have Air Conditioning. Even to this day, Air Condition is reserved only for the elite and rich.

Most people simply can't afford to run air conditioning, even if they had it.

One lady who married a guy from France, wrote in her editorial, that she was laying on the couch in summer, drenched in sweat from it being 100ºF, and even then the husband wasn't sure if he could afford to turn on the A/C.

As I said, I've been to Europe. I've seen the clothes lines strung up inside homes, to let clothes dry, because they can't afford a clothes drier.

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Drying racks like these, are normal in Europe. People simply can't afford to actually dry their clothes.

Electricity is horrendously expensive in Europe. Denmark and Germany, both have costs that exceed 30¢ per/kWh. That's compared to the US, where in Ohio it is 9¢ per/kWh.

Also keep in mind, they lose more than half their income in taxes, and they earn less money than US employees do.

So they earn less, and keep less of what they earn, and then they pay many times higher prices.

This is why when one of our Chemical Engineers that went to our church, when he moved to Germany, between the pay cut, and the higher taxes, and the much higher cost of fuel, he and his wife, both ended up not being able to afford a car. She had to ride a bike to the store, and ended up dumping her purchases as few times trying to ride back home. He had to spend an extra half hour, commuting to work on a bicycle.

It wasn't because they enjoyed spending hours getting anywhere. It wasn't because they loved getting blown off the road by high wind, or rained on all the way to work and back.

It was because the cost $5.80 per gallon in Germany. And Germany has "cheap" gasoline. Norway was charging $7.30 per gallon. That was the last quarter of 2019, when prices had already fallen quite a bit.

Now prices are down to 'almost'.... $4 a gallon.

And by the way, the doesn't include the $20 eco-stickers required to drive on German roads.

Driving in Germany

Roads in Germany. Main traffic rules and fines in Germany. Map of roads and the cost of gasoline in Germany. Across Europe on a car.

autotraveler.ru

Traveling in Germany has tolls all over the country. You want to take your family on a vacation, you could spend $100 to $200 just getting there, not including fuel costs.

This is why you see tiny 3-wheeled cars in Europe.
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Very common in Europe. I saw them when I was there. This isn't some clown car SNL skit... this is how people can afford to own a car, by buying one so tiny, you could almost walk faster than it.

Now that isn't to say that there are no really high quality cars in Europe... there are of course. They are just reserved for the rich. You don't see middle class people buying those cars in Europe. Can't afford it.

And I could go on and on. Most Europeans don't own Microwaves. Too expensive.

Many places like France, or the UK, most people only own one TV set, because you are taxed on how many TV sets you own. If you buy 3 TVs in the UK, they charge you three times the TV tax.

TV Licence - GOV.UK

You need a TV Licence to watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they're broadcast, and to watch on-demand BBC programmes on iPlayer

www.gov.uk

You have a family room, and a living room, and a bedroom? Cough up $200 per TV, per year.

Europeans are rich compared to 3rd world countries. Compared to most of South American, and Africa, and south east Asia.... Europe is a freakin dream world of wealth and bliss. No question about it.

But when you compare Europe to the US.... no sir. No. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Our poorest working people in this country, live a better life, than the middle class of Europe.

You can deny that, but that is the truth. I've seen it. The statistics show it. Everything supports that conclusion.

Well the U.S. is a much larger country than all of Europe. With far more natural resources. So I wouldn't go spouting off about American superiority in material goods. Also, if we gave people a free college education, free medical coverage, higher pay, paid vacations, etc etc etc, the sizes of houses here wouldn't shrink. Deny that, if you dare.

Yeah, of course housing sizes will shrink. There is (obviously), a direct connection between the cost of the house, and plot of land, and the price thereof.

If you give people free stuff, like everything you mentioned, people will have less money because of taxes. Much less money. And therefore they won't be able to afford larger homes.

The reason I saw a family of four, in the UK, living in a house that had a smaller Sq.Ft size to my first college apartment, of 900 sqft.... is because that's what they could afford.

And why could they only afford that? Because they are paying 50% to 60% of their income in taxes, and they earn less to start with. And by the way, they pay a 20% sales tax on top of that.

Yes, housing sizes will shrink.

It's so baffling to me, that you would think otherwise. If you earn less money for the same job.... and you lose half your income in taxes.... do you think you can afford the same size house or apartment you have today, on that much less money?

I know for a fact, that I could not. I would have to down size my living space.