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Next up for Texas pro-abortion lawmakers: banning companies that help employees obtain abortions outside the state.
Elon Musk is going to be peeved! Tesla just finished their multibillion dollar plant and were moving their headquarters here.

With Texas poised to automatically ban abortion if the U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, some Republicans are already setting their sights on the next target to fight the procedure: businesses that say they’ll help employees get abortions outside the state.

Fourteen Republican members of the state House of Representatives have pledged to introduce bills in the coming legislative session that would bar corporations from doing business in Texas if they pay for abortions in states where the procedure is legal.
 

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Kav and Comy both said RvW was established precedent that should be respected. Until they were confirmed of course.

That is a direct lie, as I have already proven with citations. They REFUSED to kiss your ring.

I'm curious about your handle, "Alan G?" Was "Adolf H" already taken?
 
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Well, that sure makes it easier to justify killing people, doesn't it?

Especially when there is a buck to be made.

Margret Sanger and Adolf Hitler are the mother and father of eugenics and abortion. But Alan Guttmacher is the one who turned abortion into a cash cow, creating the hundred billion dollar Abortion Industrial Complex that eats up so many federal dollars.

Guttmacher made himself an obscenely rich man on that mountain of dead babies.
 
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So something crossed my mind today: Let's assume the leak is genuine and next month Roe vs Wade is gone. Now (as everybody says) abortion will be left up to the states. Liberal states of course will keep abortion, conservative states make it illegal, and swing states may have abortion up to X amount of weeks. Fine.

My question is what happens if the country swings hard right on the federal level as in what is being setup now? Could our federal legislatures make it illegal for the entire country to have any kind of abortions? And if so, would the GOP risk losing leadership for decades down the road?

I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way? So the question is, could this decision actually lead to outlawing abortions on a national level?
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It really depends on how the Court's Decision is written and where they base the reasoning behind possible reversal.

Should the Decision indicate it is under State's Rights (Tenth Amendment), they would be separating the issue of Abortion from the Federal Government.
Should the Decision vary, and address other concerns or Rights, they still may leave some kind of open door back to the Federal level.

Some states have 'trigger laws" already ... Legislators in those states have already passed legislation that may outlaw or limit Abortion.
Those laws will be triggered and go into effect the moment Roe v Wade may be overturned.

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If a person (clearly evil and mad) was standing before a huge fire holding an infant in one hand and a test tube with an embryo in tbe other, and threatened to chuck them in…you can only save one…which would it be and why?

You don't actually grasp how the whole pregnancy thing works, do you?

Despite what the Temple of Moloch (Planned Parenthood) might tell you, embryos are not grown in test tubes, and the stork doesn't bring babies. The ritual sacrifice you love so dearly actually kills babies.
 

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How does any human get the right to use someone else's body without expressed and ongoing consent?
Sex is expressed consent.

Sorry ghoul.
 

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Gorsuch bowed to you ghouls, slightly.

You lied that Kavanaugh and Barrett did. Both refused to kiss your ring.

{During Senate confirmation hearings yesterday, Judge Brett Kavanaugh refused to state that having an abortion is a right that women have.}

{ Kavanaugh wrote: “I am not sure that all legal scholars refer to Roe as the settled law of the land at the Supreme Court level since [the] Court can always overrule its precedent, and three current Justices on the Court would do so.”}


You are a total fucking liar.
 

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I really believe they want to rid blacks , the poorer blacks, the rich ones can afford a fly over or take off from work. They want the rich and poor. Republicans are also poorer , who want an abortion.
 

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Gorsuch bowed to you ghouls, slightly.

You lied that Kavanaugh and Barrett did. Both refused to kiss your ring.

{During Senate confirmation hearings yesterday, Judge Brett Kavanaugh refused to state that having an abortion is a right that women have.}

{ Kavanaugh wrote: “I am not sure that all legal scholars refer to Roe as the settled law of the land at the Supreme Court level since [the] Court can always overrule its precedent, and three current Justices on the Court would do so.”}


You are a total fucking liar.
Kavanaugh affirmed that Roe was an important precedent and now seems to have done a 180 on that point.

Roe v. Wade is 'precedent,' Kavanaugh says, but there's more to the future of abortion | CNN Politics
 

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They all lied, even thomas.

Fuck off Ahmed. You're irrelevant to what happens in America. Stick to trying to kill Jews over in Gaza.
 

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Bullshit, as already demonstrated, Kavanaugh REFUSED to take a loyalty oath to your ghoul cult. That's why you filthy fascist vermin did the Ford attack - BECAUSE he refused to bow to you.
You really don't know much about the law?
 

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You really don't know much about the law?

You really lie profusely.

Kavanaugh did not lie during confirmation, but you sure lie a lot.

You ghouls demand that all SCOTUS nominees bow and scrape to you cult. You were OUTRAGED that the last two refused.

And what you did to Kavanaugh when he defied you fascist vermin is treason - you interfered in the peaceful transfer of judicial power with your insurrection when you stormed and occupied the capitol.

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When you have government being brought down to local levels, you actually have smaller government. You have more control over your representatives.

Our founders designed this country so that states could operate like tiny countries, and only have the federal government involved on federal issues. They didn't want to see what we currently have today which is an all powerful federal government that a majority depend upon to live life.
Still we see Republicans ultimately want to give a lot of authority to their local government and to Trump.
 

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He hired foreigners but they weren't actually illegal. From one of your own, CNN:

The U.S. Department of Labor has confirmed to CNN that between 2013 and fall 2015, Trump's Mar-a-Lago club posted 250 seasonal job openings and filled just 4 of those jobs with American workers. The club requested the rest of the staff be temporarily imported through the Federal government's H-2B visa process. Basically, Mar-a-Lago brings in its seasonal staff from overseas.

What do Trump's employees who have H-2B visas have to do with the undocumented workers who work for him?
 

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He hired foreigners but they weren't actually illegal. From one of your own, CNN:

The U.S. Department of Labor has confirmed to CNN that between 2013 and fall 2015, Trump's Mar-a-Lago club posted 250 seasonal job openings and filled just 4 of those jobs with American workers. The club requested the rest of the staff be temporarily imported through the Federal government's H-2B visa process. Basically, Mar-a-Lago brings in its seasonal staff from overseas.


Nicknamed the "Einstein Visa", the EB-1 is reserved for people who are highly acclaimed in their field - the government cites Pulitzer, Oscar, and Olympic winners as examples - as well as respected academic researchers and multinational executives.

Mrs Trump began applying for the visa in 2000, when she was Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model working in New York and dating Donald Trump. She was approved in 2001

Becoming a citizen in 2006 gave her the right to sponsor her parents, Viktor and Amalija Knavs, who are now in the US and in the process of applying for citizenship.

The reports of how Mrs Trump obtained her EB-1 visa will rankle with some, at a time when her husband is railing against immigrants and attempting to scrap the right of new citizens to sponsor family members. And questions have been raised about her suitability for the extraordinary ability category.
 

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So as long as the BIG government is local, you're ok with being told what to do? What's the difference? Are you an American or an Ohioian?
Most women who are pro-life see abortion in the abstract; that is murder of babies by evil doctors and bad women, prostitutes and women who frequent abortion mills as just another means of contraception. It is not a personal issue. However, when their pregnant teen says I'm going to kill myself rather than give birth, the state says you're going have to give birth to a malformed fetus and care for it as long as it lives, or you'll have prove to the state that you were actually raped before you can get an abortion, then the issue becomes personnel, very personnel.

This is going to be a big problem for republicans in solid red states with strict abortion laws. While republican men overwhelming support pro-life, about 38% of republican women are not near as supportive. They want to see the abusive use of abortion stopped but still have abortion available when it is really needed. And there lies the problem. The law can not take into account all the issues surrounding the pregnancy and need for the abortion. That can only be done by the woman, her doctor, and her family.
 
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