State challenging birthright citizenship order confident it can still win in court

[jackflash]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/supreme-court-decisions-06-27-25

One of the states challenging President Donald Trump’s bid to end birthright citizenship lamented the Supreme Court’s decision Friday that makes it harder to block government policies nationwide but nonetheless appeared confident that it could still prevail in stymying Trump’s effort.

New Jersey Democratic Attorney General Matthew Platkin, who was among several state attorneys general challenging Trump’s executive order, said in a statement that “we are glad the Court recognized that nationwide orders can be appropriate to protect the plaintiffs themselves from harm—which is true, and has always been true, in our case.”

“We are confident that his flagrantly unconstitutional order will remain enjoined by the courts. And in the meantime, our fight continues: we will keep challenging President Trump’s flagrantly unlawful order, which strips American babies of citizenship for the first time since the Civil War, and we look forward to a decision in the coming months that holds this disgraceful order unlawful for good,” he said.

While the Supreme Court’s conservative supermajority limited the power of plaintiffs to seek nationwide orders that temporarily halt the government from enforcing a policy, it left unresolved what will happen with Trump’s birthright citizenship order, sending a set of cases over it back to lower courts for further review. Those lower courts could halt the policy on a broad basis again through other legal mechanisms, like class action lawsuits.

While the magats crow and cheer, the question of birthright citizenship is still unresolved. What the order did is create chaos in lower courts. There is still no answer on trump's effort to limit birthright citizenship. Instead, the order appears to give the executive more latitude to implement it's agenda and less ability of lower courts to issue nationwide injunctions. The Repub Congress is an arm of maga and now the courts have been nearly neuters. The US is perilously close to becoming Hungary 2.0.

Pres Trump & the RNC candidates are on a roll meaning the birthright citizen issue has already been settled. The lower courts, fed district court etc. will be dancing to pres. Trump's tune for the next 11.5 years.

 

[Kilroy2]

not rocket science here, you come here illegally, you give birth you are still illegal and your child should be too.

this country has a long standing issues with anchor babies and nobody would do anything about it until trump said, stop this bullshit, obey our laws or get out, you are not welcome here

many other countries have this same policy, why should be any different?

oh right, try to slip into china, N korea who are shot dead before they can drop a kid and claim it's legal

except the constitution says they are citizens if they were born on US soil.

Supreme court has ruled on this issue 3 times in the past and each time, birthright citizenship has been upheld

This question comes up commonly and the answer is always the same

For U.S.-born citizens, the protection is straightforward—you can’t be deported. I’ve met with clients worried about rumors or misunderstandings, but the law is clear as stated by an immigration lawyer and other lawyers who deal specifically with immigration. IMMIGRATION LAWYER run into this issue constantly and the answer is always the same.

US is built on immigrants as the only native American is the Indian.

FINALLY EVEN DONALD TRUMP IS A CITIZEN BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN THE US. HIS DAD AND MOTHER WERE IMMIGRANTS

SMOKE THAT ONE

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Three key Supreme Court rulings on birthright citizenship

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[egp320i]

except the constitution says they are citizens if they were born on US soil.

Supreme court has ruled on this issue 3 times in the past and each time, birthright citizenship has been upheld

This question comes up commonly and the answer is always the same

For U.S.-born citizens, the protection is straightforward—you can’t be deported. I’ve met with clients worried about rumors or misunderstandings, but the law is clear as stated by an immigration lawyer and other lawyers who deal specifically with immigration. IMMIGRATION LAWYER run into this issue constantly and the answer is always the same.

US is built on immigrants as the only native American is the Indian.

FINALLY EVEN DONALD TRUMP IS A CITIZEN BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN THE US. HIS DAD AND MOTHER WERE IMMIGRANTS

SMOKE THAT ONE

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Three key Supreme Court rulings on birthright citizenship

Those seeking to undo Donald Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship are looking at past legal cases

www.newsweek.com

you think the founders ever thought we would have invaders from mexico who have a kid here to become a citizen?

they are illegal.......anything they DO after that is also illegal, have a kid, shoplift, murder, rape.....

why should they take advantage of a LOOPHOLE? close it, problem solved

want to live in the land of the free, do it legally, apply and if you are a decent person get accepted.

think of the USA as college, many apply not everybody gets accepted

 

[Care4all]

Not really.
Steve Miller made the case that since births of diplomats are not US citizens since they are not under the jurisdiction of the US government that illegals are similarly not legally under the jurisdiction either, so their kids should not be citizens as well.

And that is a blissfully ignorant assumption by Steven Miller!!! Every immigrant is not a Diplomat...a third grader can understand that....

Diplomatic immunity is a well defined legal status dating back to ancient civilizations.

(The Vienna Convention Treaty in 1961 established a modern framework for diplomatic relations and formally codified it internationally)

 

[MayorQuimby]

Sure, one is drop-dead gorgeous and the other a genius. Anyway, there is no way I'd take your word for that.

I am not agreeing with the lefty, but I don't think you should base it on whether the immigrant is hot or smart. If someone broke the immigration law, then he/she needs to go.

Slaves were illegal immigrants.

No. Slaves were non-citizens, and immigrants, but they weren't "illegal", in the sense that the way they were brought over was legal. It was OK for them to be here.

The importation of slaves into the United States was made illegal on January 1, 1808, with the passage of the "Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves". This act was passed by Congress in March 1807
Any slave imported between 1808 and 1865 were illegal aliens.

Yet the 14th amendment clearly gave citizenship to their children, of all former slaves independent of their legal status.

The law said the importation of slaves was illegal, however it said nothing about the status of the slaves themselves. You would need a separate law to determine the status of slaves. This law was merely outlawing the bringing in of slaves.

Working on a student or visitors visa is a violation of immigration law.


DUH !!!!!!

Yeah, that's the thing I don't understand about the US, how they forbid international students from working. I mean, how are they gonna survive? A lot of students are poor, unless they are from a rich country like China, they almost certainly need to work on a part-time basis, in order to sustain themselves and to have the money for tuition, living expenses...etc. Here we allow international students to work 20 hours a week, which I think is reasonable. It gives them money to live on, plus they gain some Canadian work experience.

Who granted George Washington citizenship?

Not sure why you continue to ask this question as if you were making a point.

It doesn't matter how George Washington became a citizen, because his was a special case. At the time when he became a president, the conditions were very different, and they did not apply to everybody else who came after him. But to answer your question, he probably made himself citizen through the powers that he had as one of the Founding Fathers. Do you think something like this happens very frequently?

Actually it's a matter that it takes more time. And in the interim they can do tremendous damage, that can't be reversed.
Such as child separation.

Child separation. Look at the lefty playing on people's heart-strings shamelessly.

Question for you: When you put a regular, citizen criminal in jail, he/she is also separated from his/her child. Do you shed tears over this, too?

trump could shoot someone on a NY street and walk away with no charges.

If this is true, then it's that thing I heard about your country, where the POTUS is above law and can literally commit any crimes and not get sent to jail. If this is true, then it's something that's wrong with your country. It has nothing to do with Trump as an individual POTUS.

Not before, or since the 14th amendment.

Does the federal government issue birth certificatess?

AI Overview

No, there are no federal birth certificates issued in the United States. Birth certificates are issued by individual states and territories. While the federal government provides guidance and a standard application form (U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth), it does not issue the actual birth certificates that individuals use for identification.

Birth certificate is different from citizenship card/paper.

The Constitution does not empower the Office of the President to end birthright citizenship.,

I'm sure it doesn't, however, doesn't the POTUS get some sort of special power in a national emergency? Say during times of war. And I think this illegal problem is serious enough to be called an emergency.

They would need to pass a Constitutional amendment. That ain't gonna happen.

Why not? What's so difficult about amending the Constitution?

We understand that you know very little.

You think you are being cool but all you are doing is disrupting the discussion and reinforcing on us how much we hate lefties.

Birthright based on being born in the US is still in the constitution. So Trumps is not going to be able to change it and the SC with its conservative majority cannot change it as it clear as day.

Why not? IF the SC is conservative then it should reflect what the Republicans want, right?

He is the Jewish version of Josef Goebbels.

Illegals are being arrested for deportation. Yes, they are under the jurisdiction of our government. kyzr is just not very well put together mentally.

Immigrants have rights. The Constitution says their kids are citizens. Not one birthright citizen will lose it, and birthright citizenship will not end.

Except nobody is asking you to make a prediction, you ******* dipshit. We are debating (essentially), whether birthright citizenship SHOULD end. Shut your worthless lefty mouth, after you rinse out all the cum, you useless ******* *****.

End of story.

STFU *****.

except the constitution says they are citizens if they were born on US soil.

Supreme court has ruled on this issue 3 times in the past and each time, birthright citizenship has been upheld

This question comes up commonly and the answer is always the same

For U.S.-born citizens, the protection is straightforward—you can’t be deported. I’ve met with clients worried about rumors or misunderstandings, but the law is clear as stated by an immigration lawyer and other lawyers who deal specifically with immigration. IMMIGRATION LAWYER run into this issue constantly and the answer is always the same.

US is built on immigrants as the only native American is the Indian.

FINALLY EVEN DONALD TRUMP IS A CITIZEN BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN THE US. HIS DAD AND MOTHER WERE IMMIGRANTS

SMOKE THAT ONE

Can a US Citizen Be Deported? Common Myths and Facts Insight!

Can a US Citizen Be Deported? Common Myths and Facts are explained insights by the top immigration attorney Alicia Morgan. Click to explore!

immigrationlawyersusa.com

Three key Supreme Court rulings on birthright citizenship

Those seeking to undo Donald Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship are looking at past legal cases

www.newsweek.com

The whole thing just doesn't sound right to me, I mean, granting citizenship to the children of those who are clearly illegal invaders, just based on a technicality. It's almost like, let's say the Germans marched over here, invaded US, raped American women, and the women gave birth to babies. According to the law, yes, they are American citizens. However, it doesn't sound right. This is how I feel about illegals children gaining citizenship.

 

[AZrailwhale]

There hadn’t been a single slave imported into the USA since 1808. Since the life expectancy of a slave was less than forty years, by 1865 imported slaves were almost non-existent. So they certainly couldn’t be counted as either legal or illegal immigrants. It’s not important any since slaves were property legally.

 

[Care4all]

It doesn't matter how George Washington became a citizen, because his was a special case. At the time when he became a president, the conditions were very different, and they did not apply to everybody else who came after him. But to answer your question, he probably made himself citizen through the powers that he had as one of the Founding Fathers. Do you think something like this happens very frequently?

At the time of the founder's lives, anyone a resident and providing a living here for 5 years became or could and would become citizens. People were packing ships to come here and help populate America because they knew they could become citizens and knew their children born here would be citizens at birth....it was a lure to draw immigrants during their period, from what I've read on it.

 

[Care4all]

There hadn’t been a single slave imported into the USA since 1808. Since the life expectancy of a slave was less than forty years, by 1865 imported slaves were almost non-existent. So they certainly couldn’t be counted as either legal or illegal immigrants. It’s not important any since slaves were property legally.

FYI...There was an illegal slave "black market" after 1808 that continued bringing in slaves.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There is slavery today in the US, as illegal as importation of slaves after 1808.

 

[Kilroy2]

you think the founders ever thought we would have invaders from mexico who have a kid here to become a citizen?

they are illegal.......anything they DO after that is also illegal, have a kid, shoplift, murder, rape.....

why should they take advantage of a LOOPHOLE? close it, problem solved

want to live in the land of the free, do it legally, apply and if you are a decent person get accepted.

think of the USA as college, many apply not everybody gets accepted

Yeah it was just Europeans, Germans and even Trumps mother and father. Who had a child who became a citizen. Was Trump a citizen because he was born in the US or because his parents were Europeans?

According to your logic Repubicans elected an illegal alien
Trump was a birth right citizen because he was born here in the US. His father was German and his Mother was from another foreign country Scotland

How is Donald Trump an American. Answer that question. And the became american citizens after giving birth to Donald.

President Donald Trump’s first wife, Ivana, became a U.S. citizen in 1988 — years after the last of the couple’s three children, Eric, was born in 1984.

I am not agreeing with the lefty, but I don't think you should base it on whether the immigrant is hot or smart. If someone broke the immigration law, then he/she needs to go.



No. Slaves were non-citizens, and immigrants, but they weren't "illegal", in the sense that the way they were brought over was legal. It was OK for them to be here.



The law said the importation of slaves was illegal, however it said nothing about the status of the slaves themselves. You would need a separate law to determine the status of slaves. This law was merely outlawing the bringing in of slaves.


Yeah, that's the thing I don't understand about the US, how they forbid international students from working. I mean, how are they gonna survive? A lot of students are poor, unless they are from a rich country like China, they almost certainly need to work on a part-time basis, in order to sustain themselves and to have the money for tuition, living expenses...etc. Here we allow international students to work 20 hours a week, which I think is reasonable. It gives them money to live on, plus they gain some Canadian work experience.


Not sure why you continue to ask this question as if you were making a point.

It doesn't matter how George Washington became a citizen, because his was a special case. At the time when he became a president, the conditions were very different, and they did not apply to everybody else who came after him. But to answer your question, he probably made himself citizen through the powers that he had as one of the Founding Fathers. Do you think something like this happens very frequently?





Child separation. Look at the lefty playing on people's heart-strings shamelessly.

Question for you: When you put a regular, citizen criminal in jail, he/she is also separated from his/her child. Do you shed tears over this, too?




If this is true, then it's that thing I heard about your country, where the POTUS is above law and can literally commit any crimes and not get sent to jail. If this is true, then it's something that's wrong with your country. It has nothing to do with Trump as an individual POTUS.




Birth certificate is different from citizenship card/paper.

I'm sure it doesn't, however, doesn't the POTUS get some sort of special power in a national emergency? Say during times of war. And I think this illegal problem is serious enough to be called an emergency.



Why not? What's so difficult about amending the Constitution?



You think you are being cool but all you are doing is disrupting the discussion and reinforcing on us how much we hate lefties.




Why not? IF the SC is conservative then it should reflect what the Republicans want, right?







Except nobody is asking you to make a prediction, you ******* dipshit. We are debating (essentially), whether birthright citizenship SHOULD end. Shut your worthless lefty mouth, after you rinse out all the cum, you useless ******* *****.




STFU *****.

The whole thing just doesn't sound right to me, I mean, granting citizenship to the children of those who are clearly illegal invaders, just based on a technicality. It's almost like, let's say the Germans marched over here, invaded US, raped American women, and the women gave birth to babies. According to the law, yes, they are American citizens. However, it doesn't sound right. This is how I feel about illegals children gaining citizenship.

Your just looking at the negativity of it all

ignoring that there is positive points

anyway the son should not carry the burden of the sins of the parents. As this will just be history repeating itself.

The son may or may not overcome this burden.

Trump's father was German yet he overcame that stigma (German world war) and built a business empire in the US even with German ancestory. I guess that is why they change their name from Drumph to Trump

well anyway the constitution does allow birth rights to those born on US soil

Birthright citizenship stems from the 14th Amendment which says, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Trump this week proposed ending that status.

So Trump father was naturalized and Trump being born in the US is a US citizen. Yet now he wants to band something he has no authority over. How stupid can he be and then he does something more stupider.

He wants to close the door on future people when he got thru that same door

Still this requires changing the constitution and is not an executive order. Good luck with changing the constitution as it requires more than the president to want it.

 

[egp320i]

Yeah it was just Europeans, Germans and even Trumps mother and father. Who had a child who became a citizen. Was Trump a citizen because he was born in the US or because his parents were Europeans?

According to your logic Repubicans elected an illegal alien
Trump was a birth right citizen because he was born here in the US. His father was German and his Mother was from another foreign country Scotland

How is Donald Trump an American. Answer that question. And the became american citizens after giving birth to Donald.

President Donald Trump’s first wife, Ivana, became a U.S. citizen in 1988 — years after the last of the couple’s three children, Eric, was born in 1984.

Your just looking at the negativity of it all

ignoring that there is positive points

anyway the son should not carry the burden of the sins of the parents. As this will just be history repeating itself.

The son may or may not overcome this burden.

Trump's father was German yet he overcame that stigma (German world war) and built a business empire in the US even with German ancestory. I guess that is why they change their name from Drumph to Trump

well anyway the constitution does allow birth rights to those born on US soil

Birthright citizenship stems from the 14th Amendment which says, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Trump this week proposed ending that status.

So Trump father was naturalized and Trump being born in the US is a US citizen. Yet now he wants to band something he has no authority over. How stupid can he be and then he does something more stupider.

He wants to close the door on future people when he got thru that same door

Still this requires changing the constitution and is not an executive order. Good luck with changing the constitution as it requires more than the president to want it.

Sorry but you must be dense, people who immigrated here from Europe LEGALLY their children are legal, why can't you understand this basic concept??

if you slip into this country ILLEGALLY everything you do hence forth is now illegal

good golly a child could figure this one out

Putting your entire life on the line to travel months on a boat across the Atlantic vs paying a coyote to slip you across the mexican border.

If you can't understand the difference then you are hopeless

You know, Ellis island where they vetted you? illegal mexicans don't go that route, they slip across the border illegally.

I guess I should say illegally again as you can't figure out meaning in your mind

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Birthright citizenship will not be overturned.

 

[JimH52]

Also in the past the Supreme court has ruled 3 times on Birthright citizenship and it has been in tune with the constitution.

So even the rubber stamping Supreme court today would just have to "Know when to fold them". There place in history is already known.

Lower court have ruled similarly

Three key Supreme Court rulings on birthright citizenship

Those seeking to undo Donald Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship are looking at past legal cases

www.newsweek.com

I hope you are right, but there are 2 no votes right now on the high court. Alito and Thomas are 2 definite rubber stamps for the Felon in Chief.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Birthright citizenship will not be overturned.

Why do lefties love making proclamations like this in public so much? I think it has to do with their tendency to just assume themselves to be the authority.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Why do lefties love making proclamations like this in public so much? I think it has to do with their tendency to just assume themselves to be the authority.

Your dear leader never stops.

 

[Kilroy2]

Why do lefties love making proclamations like this in public so much? I think it has to do with their tendency to just assume themselves to be the authority.

Why do righties worship a president that cannot understand what the constitution says and beliefs that because he is the president he can do whatever he decides even if it goes against what the constitution says?

 

[MayorQuimby]

Why do righties worship a president that cannot understand what the constitution says and beliefs that because he is the president he can do whatever he decides even if it goes against what the constitution says?

Yeah yeah yea, immediately shifting to focus to the other side. I guess you lefties simply can't handle it when people point out your absurdities.

Btw, I am not American. So cry more, *****.

 

[Kilroy2]

Not really.
Steve Miller made the case that since births of diplomats are not US citizens since they are not under the jurisdiction of the US government that illegals are similarly not legally under the jurisdiction either, so their kids should not be citizens as well.

Okay let me sum up what you wrote
birth of diplomats are not US citizenss

Diplomat by definition is an adult, why would they be born here as diplomats?

Children of diplomats born in the US would have birth right citizen ship as the constitution says.

It does not mean that they want US citizenship as they have parents who would be leaving the US at some point in time.

The children are not diplomats. Since they have parents , they would go back with their parents to their native country.

 

[Kilroy2]

Yeah, and the Ayatollah declared an astonishing victory for Iran this week.

Makes no sense
A child is either a citizen or not

He can’t be a citizen in one state but illegal in a neighboring state

States wants to duck and hide on this issue

pass that buck along to the next higher court.

Still I think that the federal courts need to stop Trump in his actions on this issue. Then the Supreme court can dodge a bullet and just uphold the federal court ruling if its the right one.

IT will be fun to watch which republicans follow the Trump blowing his flute

 

[Kilroy2]

It would seem to me that Trump is not upholding or defending the constitution when he denies birth right citizenship as stated in the constitution.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 8 provides that the President must swear or affirm to faithfully execute the Office of President and preserve, protect and defend the Constitution to the best of the President’s ability.

even policemen, judges, military, and others have made a oath of allegence to the constitution.

It is a contract

Trump should be impeached if he cannot uphold the constitution
Its not his job to interpret it. It is his job to uphold it as he sweared to it.