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America pays more because our healthcare is better and we can afford more. Its not even close. We have mental healthcare for minors, short wait times, modern drugs, more and better DRs and nurses. Do you know why a Mercedes coats more then a KIA? Its better.
You need real life experience not some failed ideology you cant defend. When you believe in failure it defines who you are

Get real...


US 15th


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US ranked 69th in Heath... Beaten by Armenia and Albania...

You seriously haven't much of a clue... Where are you getting your information from... Please give us your source, I need the laugh
 
We pay more because of the highly regulated market - for both health care and insurance. The kind of regulations socialists want more of.
But Europe pays less and yet are more regulated than US....

EU Insurance market is very highly regulated... The Health Insurance market in Ireland everyone pays the same for them same plan no matter if there age, sex, previous medical history,... Everyone pays the same, the insurers then pay each other to equalise the risk...
Health Insurance for a family of 4 starts at around $1,300 in Ireland and that has you paying nothing if you end up in Hospital...
 
They are struggling today and it's Trump's doing.

And the struggles we faced under Biden were Trump's doing. He handed Joe that mess. He sent out the first stimulus check. Now you can pretend Trump would have handled the pandemic better but you also said he'd end the Ukraine war in a day. Has he?

Oh I'm sure you believe Trump would have handled things better than Joe did. Isn't that right? Like I bet you believe Trump would have solved the pandemic in a day just like he said he'd do Iran. Remember he said that? Trump said a lot of things that turned out not to be true.

Did you hear this?

The Trump administration has developed a plan to send American citizens exposed to Ebola while abroad to a new quarantine and treatment facility in Kenya, rather than flying them back to the United States for care.

Imagine if Joe Biden proposed sending people with Covid to Kenya. LOL
Remember Trump cut the supply of oil globally by 12.5% around the day Biden came into office...

Oil went through the roof.

Trump wanted US to fail while he wasn't in charge, he wasn't in it for America.
 
German tax brackets:
  • Up to€12,348 0%
  • €12,349 – €69,878 14% to 42% (The rate increases smoothly as income rises)
  • €69,879 – €277,825 42%
  • Over €277,826 (45\%
This would be a -gigantic- tax increase for everyone in the US except those who pay no federal income tax.


Ah. Good. Numbers. Concrete.
How much revenue will this generate?
How do you know? Show your math.

How much will these things cost?
How do you know? Show your math.
How does this cost compare to the revenue generated in the previous step?
CowboyTed
No response?
Show us your evidence... Sorry but we are getting constant claims from LW but very little evidence...
 
Get real...


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US ranked 69th in Heath... Beaten by Armenia and Albania...

You seriously haven't much of a clue... Where are you getting your information from... Please give us your source, I need the laugh
You google charts dont mean a damn thing. The UK is ranked 3 when its a disaster. I know I go there every year and know the system well. These rankings are made by pro socialized medicine nations and have no credibility. Like you
 
All that you keep doing is presenting your opinions as fact and painting a glorified picture of the economic realities of capitalism. Granted , there are others who subscribe to your views but that does not make them right, and they are in the minority , You, and they are expounding a theory of how things should work in a just and rational world. The reality, which you ignore is far different

Click here for source data:




Proponents argue that leaving more money in the hands of the wealthy and corporations encourages investment, expansion, and job creation, which ultimately benefits everyone.

In practice, the additional capital retained by high earners is largely not spent in ways that cascade down. Instead, it tends to stay concentrated at the top through stock dividends, executive bonuses, and asset accumulation

What the Data Shows

No Trickle-Down Effect:
A major London School of Economics study analyzing 50 years of tax cuts in 18 wealthy nations found that they consistently resulted in higher income inequality but had no statistically significant effect on unemployment or economic growth.

Wage Stagnation: Research shows that instead of generating wealth for lower and middle classes, tax cuts frequently led to trillions of dollars in wage growth being redistributed away from average workers directly to the top 1% of earners.

Bottom-Up Growth: Leading institutions like the IMF have found the reverse to be true: increasing the income share of the poor and middle class is what actually drives sustainable economic growth. [1]

You said that “The economy grows so its not zero sum” Yes the economy groes in terms of GDP and the stock market, but that does not benefit all or even most people who do not have investments.

You said that “wealth is built by creating ideas that society wants. Then create a business plan that works.” So? Your point is what exactly? Are our socialistic programs and policies somehow putting a damper on that? More importantly, does it benefit working people- of just those on top ?

As far as job creations goes, the wealth are not going to create jobs just because they have some extra case sitting around . They would just as soon buy another yacht or put it in a Swiss bank. They will only create jobs if there is a market for their good or services and if people do not have money, there is no market

You said that “Anyone can invest and make capitals gains. Just do it.” Totally ridiculous !!! That right there shows how pathetically far out of touch with reality you are. Many people do not have anything left to invest after meeting basic needs…..many cant even do that and thanks to Trumps Tariffs and War it’s getting worse . You have destroyed all credibility , if in fact you ever had any

There is no Mathew effect education is free.??? EDUCATION IS FEE???? More evidence of your tenuous hold on reality . High school is free/ If you want to go to trade school or college you pay….and then you drown in debt. The Mathew effect is very real indeed and it’s not just about education. .

You said “Socialism doesnt level the playing field. It creats two class sosiety Rich elites and the poor.”?? CAPITALISM creates two class society rich elites and the poor.”??

“Examples, Cuba, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela before Maduro was arrested” More evidence of how confused you are. Actually, this explains a lot. You’re simply too entrenched in your narrow, ridged , binary thought process where everything is either good or bad . You’re clearly unable to discern the subtle- or not so subtle- differences between Socialism in the context of a Marxist dictatorship and Democratic Socialism.

You said “Lower income families will aways exist. Not enough skills, not enough ambition, poor choices etc. What you earn is based on your value to society.” and “ If you don’t earn enough that’s your problem” .

Classic blaming the victim bullshit! The victims of unchecked capitalism. Poverty and unemployment are structurally built into the capitalist system. Inequality of opportunity is standard. You really don’t understand much, do you? What planet do you live on??
Name one socialist nation thats a success.
 
I had to quit reading early cuz you don't know how the world works. Those who know recognize.

A. Europe protects their people at the expense of business. It's very hard and expensive to do business there, so people don't.
Sort of agree with you.. Europe put people first and business second.
They don't allow corporations to lobby the government and basically have the Government working for lobbyists..
B. USA is far more free and much cheaper to do business, on condition it's not California for instance. The USA is business friendly and why we're #1.
Corporations got what they paid for...

Lower environmental laws, so they can pollute more

"The research, published July 15 in the journal Environmental Science and Technology Letters, finds that air pollution from sources in the United States leads to 100,000 deaths in the U.S. each year."

I showed how Corporations are paying way less taxes
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The difference is Europeans believe Corporations should serve them, You believe Americans are there to serve Corporations...

A lot of Americans don't want to be subject to the will of Corporations and are starting to see that they are running things using there lobbying...

We can thank Trump for making it blatant
 
Trump isn't deregulating. He's re-regulating, to benefit himself and his supporters at the taxpayers expense. That's how regulations work in reality.
Trump epitomises crony capitalism at its worst..

He sees Putin getting a cut from every Oligarch and thinks that should be him too..
 
Sort of agree with you.. Europe put people first and business second.
They don't allow corporations to lobby the government and basically have the Government working for lobbyists..

Corporations got what they paid for...

Lower environmental laws, so they can pollute more

"The research, published July 15 in the journal Environmental Science and Technology Letters, finds that air pollution from sources in the United States leads to 100,000 deaths in the U.S. each year."

I showed how Corporations are paying way less taxes
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The difference is Europeans believe Corporations should serve them, You believe Americans are there to serve Corporations...

A lot of Americans don't want to be subject to the will of Corporations and are starting to see that they are running things using there lobbying...

We can thank Trump for making it blatant
Manufacturing is leaving Europe primarily due to crushing energy costs, stiff global competition (particularly from China), and heavy regulatory burdens. The combination of these factors is forcing companies to relocate, especially energy-intensive industries like chemicals, steel, and automotive manufacturing. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The main drivers behind this industrial decline include:
  • Energy Costs: European electricity and gas prices remain significantly higher than in regions like the United States. This structural disadvantage makes it economically unviable for heavy industrial plants to operate. [1, 2]
  • Chinese Overcapacity & Subsidies: European markets are being flooded with cheaper, often state-subsidized manufactured goods—such as electric vehicles and green tech—which makes it difficult for domestic European manufacturers to compete on price. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Strict Regulation & Bureaucracy: Companies cite complex environmental compliance (such as the EU’s Emissions Trading System) and general bureaucratic red tape as reasons that stunt profitability and slow down long-term planning. [1, 2, 3]
  • Shifting Global Subsidies: Aggressive programs from other economic powers—such as the United States' Inflation Reduction Act—have enticed European companies to build their new factories and facilities abroad to take advantage of lucrative green energy subsidies. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Shift to a Service Economy: While the absolute value of manufacturing has grown over the last few decades, its overall share of the economy has shrunk because Europe’s service and tech sectors have expanded at a much faster pace. [1, 2]
 
You get none of those things and any private property you have becomes the socialists. Free health care ends up no healthcare. You will own nothing to use on the "way better" roads. And they have decided that we don't deserve water, air, soil, rain. Open borders invite crime. Did you see Paris burning?
The Healthcare system in Western Europe performs way better than US...

Europe has a mixed economy just like US, difference they don't let corporations run it...

Europe is run for the people, US is run for Corporations (Lobbyists)
 
I stopped reading at over-regulated. I worked govt.. for a long time. 1 hr. private would complete what government "does" in 100 hours at well north of $100 an hour only to do it wrong. I'm averaging, as the closer to welfare the more progressive the hours "required" to get the job "done".

For examples, the tax was run by Republicans. Primarily great people under weight of socialist and bureaucrat outsiders. We didn't see eye to eye at first, primarily because the position I held before them was in an agency that had literally failed, done, gone, and failed bigly - big fking money man, just neglect and bad policy. That agency had literally failed under the weight of socialist govt., and a monopoly at the power of two.....FACTS. In time I streamlined the position, and fixed stuff. The head, with who we we initially didn't hit off said I could return to the agency any time, open invitation. In other terms thanks, good job. I cleaned up and streamlined the position to a 10 hour work week over 1.5 yrs, then promoted elsewhere. I like my old boss a lot too, saw her the other day. Smart nice Republican lady and does much for the community.

Vs

Last place fell under spell of Obamacare and Woke, quite the fking liberal, getting progressively worse, HOSTILE work environment, poisoned as woke do. I actually worked there twice, it was a nice place, I returned a second time for another promotion. For instance, over two weeks I turned a FT job to 10 minutes a week, with template for future data, fail-safe. The job was held by an engineer for 1.5 years, dude wasn't anywhere near retirment, maybe 35 yrs old. Only thing I heard from a boss (not mine) was she wanted more statistics, easy peazy.... my end. She was a lesbian, and wanted to **** me, it's complicated, she was a liberal, but we got along fine even when she was insecure. Actually a very intelligent woman, just complicated and psycho as lib do.

They didn't even know what they had until I gave it to them, and had to cut it down by 90%. Easy peazy my end, it's a template. I'm not even "a programmer". The libs saw me as a threat - too late, can't leave, "Bush" recession aka fkd over by Obama-care. I turned jobs to easy and effective by nature, while they fought me over it so often, with egg on their faces making it worse for them, as lib do. A bunch of fking bitches really, but of course quite a few great people in some areas, and effective even. Eventually the head admin. saw into their BS as I was concerned, too late, want nothing to do with how that turd was ran, leave me in the corner alone, five more years, just five more years. My boss wanted to fk me too, and golly she was so worthless, a regular bureaucrat mascot, and fake. I could have fucked her over, because she was harassing me on two different levels. I learned to ignore her "instructions", she knew it too, but what are you going to do about it when you're an insecure liberal for good reasons. I tried to save them many many millions of dollars for instance too, simple accounting they were neglecting. They didn't listen cuz they're "experts", and paid tons for it, with delays as lib do, and had to hire out to fix it.

Note the difference, bolded. I've had at least a dozen positions in govt., but come from private, and that's where my blood runs.

Libs. always apply false labels on shit as they narrate. "Under-regulation" by lib-terms is technically a bureaucratic turd.
You know what I don't like about Trumpanomics? Like Corporate CEO's, they live too lavishly. Even when the country is suffering, he's going around balling. Literally, building a ball room. Talk about bad optics. Talk about being clueless or just not giving a F.

Or like when Fortune 500 companies pay went up 1322% from 1978 to Now and at the same time our pay went up only 18%. And no coincidence, union membership went from 35% to 10% of our work force. I guess unions are important huh? Because no way the CEO's would have gotten away with giving themselves such raises while F'ing us the last 50 years if we had a seat at the table.

This is why we only pay the President $300K a year. Do you think the POTUS should make $20 million dollars like a CEO makes? Why not?
 
You google charts dont mean a damn thing. The UK is ranked 3 when its a disaster. I know I go there every year and know the system well. These rankings are made by pro socialized medicine nations and have no credibility. Like you
So we got your word on that... You don't have any actual proof...

You know we have a number of various organisations that track health systems around the world...

So can we ask what were you treated for in the UK?
 
Putin thanks you for your service
Trump is just stealing a page right out of Putin's playbook.

I told you Trump gets a cut of everything just like a mafia boss. Kristi Noem ripped us off for $210 million dollars? Trump will get his 10% of that.

And every other racket Trump is pulling. He's going to get so rich in the next 2 years.

He's only been stopped once. Mike Pence had to go privately tell him he can not take $1.776 BILLION from tax payers. Even Republicans aren't that stupid. I say they are.
 
Name one socialist nation thats a success.
There is no pure Socialist country in the world...

As there is no pure Capitalist country in the world...

they are all mixed economies...

Could you rephrase your question?
 
The Healthcare system in Western Europe performs way better than US...

Europe has a mixed economy just like US, difference they don't let corporations run it...

Europe is run for the people, US is run for Corporations (Lobbyists)
I go there and know the system well. You have no idea what your talking about. Why have millions of Europeans left and came to America. Why are businesses fleeing and coming here. Why dont you go live there. See how you like it. The food is great.
 
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Exactly. So if you do that does it matter what the government does?

If you were born poor in India you'd be stuck there. You can't move up. Their political and economic system is designed that way. So don't expect the India government to help you. That I would agree.

So not all government's are equal. Some are better than others. And it absolutely does matter. You may not know it but our government saved your unappreciative ass a long time ago. Before you were even born.
 
If you were born poor in India you'd be stuck there. You can't move up. Their political and economic system is designed that way. So don't expect the India government to help you. That I would agree.

So not all government's are equal. Some are better than others. And it absolutely does matter. You may not know it but our government saved your unappreciative ass a long time ago. Before you were even born.
Life is unfair. Expect to make sacrifices.
 
Manufacturing is leaving Europe primarily due to crushing energy costs, stiff global competition (particularly from China), and heavy regulatory burdens. The combination of these factors is forcing companies to relocate, especially energy-intensive industries like chemicals, steel, and automotive manufacturing. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The main drivers behind this industrial decline include:
  • Energy Costs: European electricity and gas prices remain significantly higher than in regions like the United States. This structural disadvantage makes it economically unviable for heavy industrial plants to operate. [1, 2]
  • Chinese Overcapacity & Subsidies: European markets are being flooded with cheaper, often state-subsidized manufactured goods—such as electric vehicles and green tech—which makes it difficult for domestic European manufacturers to compete on price. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Strict Regulation & Bureaucracy: Companies cite complex environmental compliance (such as the EU’s Emissions Trading System) and general bureaucratic red tape as reasons that stunt profitability and slow down long-term planning. [1, 2, 3]
  • Shifting Global Subsidies: Aggressive programs from other economic powers—such as the United States' Inflation Reduction Act—have enticed European companies to build their new factories and facilities abroad to take advantage of lucrative green energy subsidies. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Shift to a Service Economy: While the absolute value of manufacturing has grown over the last few decades, its overall share of the economy has shrunk because Europe’s service and tech sectors have expanded at a much faster pace. [1, 2]
Again, Why do we want Manufacturing Jobs...

We have close to total employment, approx 4%...

Why would we tell people with better paying service jobs to take shitty manufacturing jobs?

How dumb do you think we are? Sorry we are going to keep our better jobs...
 
There is no pure Socialist country in the world...

As there is no pure Capitalist country in the world...

they are all mixed economies...

Could you rephrase your question?
Name one socialist nation thats a success like Cuba Russia North Korea pre Maduro Venezuela. Nicaragua. You canr beause none exists. They are all oppressive failures.
Have you ever asked yourself why you believe in failure and change the meaning of words to avoid the facts. What have you accomplished.
 
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