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Oh really? Tell that to the GM employees who would have lost their pensions if Romney won

The Obama administration's 2009 General Motors (GM) bailout was a massive federal intervention that injected roughly \(\$51\) billion into the company through the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). In exchange, the government briefly took a 60% ownership stake, restructured the automaker, and successfully brought the company back to profitability before selling off its remaining shares in 2013.

If you want to take that as evidence the government will save you, go right ahead.
 
If you want to take that as evidence the government will save you, go right ahead.
And if you don't want to take the evidence I showed you that a good government will save you, keep voting GOP with Hafar the condescending rich white dude. You two have a lot in common in fact I'm surprised you two are bickering.
 
And if you don't want to take the evidence I showed you that a good government will save you, keep voting GOP with Hafar the condescending rich white dude. You two have a lot in common in fact I'm surprised you two are bickering.
It doesn't matter who you vote for. None of this matters. The only thing that matters is taking care of your business.
 
They vote overwhelmingly for liberals/leftists.
That's not rational. That's emotion.
You still are not explaning
Is this a personal opinion
or you have some actual info?
( ps computer acting up can not fix typos sorry.
 
If you want to take that as evidence the government will save you, go right ahead.
A good government will send out stimulus checks when times get tough.

A Republican governor in MI during the Bush Great Recession lowered the time you can collect unemployment from 6 months down to 5 months. Can you believe that? Instead of giving people MORE time to find a job when the job market sucked, he gave us LESS time.

So forget about saving me. One government, a Republican one, tried to **** me. That's all the evidence I need.

I wonder how many farmers are getting bailed out after Trump screwed them? I know they won't get everything they lost back from Trump

More than 560,000 farmers received federal economic assistance from the Emergency Commodity Assistance Program, with tens of thousands of additional specialty crop producers participating in supplemental relief.

The total number of recipients for the most recent $12 billion Farmer Bridge Assistance Program (slated for row-crop and specialty crop farmers impacted by trade policies and low prices) is determined by applicants who fall under individual payment caps of \(\$155,000\) and Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) limits.

There are approximately 3.4 million agricultural producers (farmers and decision-makers) operating about 1.9 million farms across the United States. [1, 2]
 
A good government will send out stimulus checks when times get tough.

A Republican governor in MI during the Bush Great Recession lowered the time you can collect unemployment from 6 months down to 5 months. Can you believe that? Instead of giving people MORE time to find a job when the job market sucked, he gave us LESS time.

So forget about saving me. One government, a Republican one, tried to **** me. That's all the evidence I need.

I wonder how many farmers are getting bailed out after Trump screwed them? I know they won't get everything they lost back from Trump

More than 560,000 farmers received federal economic assistance from the Emergency Commodity Assistance Program, with tens of thousands of additional specialty crop producers participating in supplemental relief.

The total number of recipients for the most recent $12 billion Farmer Bridge Assistance Program (slated for row-crop and specialty crop farmers impacted by trade policies and low prices) is determined by applicants who fall under individual payment caps of \(\$155,000\) and Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) limits.

There are approximately 3.4 million agricultural producers (farmers and decision-makers) operating about 1.9 million farms across the United States. [1, 2]
And you wonder why the debt is climbing. There's going to be a reckoning one day and you're going to kick yourself for being such a dupe.
 
It doesn't matter who you vote for. None of this matters. The only thing that matters is taking care of your business.

So then it doesn't matter what country you live in? You'd be exactly the same successful that you are here and now if you were in the Congo, Canada or Mexico? Bullshit.

It doesn't matter. LOL. How simplistic. None of this matters? Nothing matters? So it doesn't really matter that our greatest generation fought so you can be free? That's all bullshit? People in Canada have it just as good as us and the government doesn't matter? Bullshit.

Go to Canada and you'll see all of this matters.

Also realize CapitalISM is just another ISM. Properly regulated, it's great. Let the rich take over the government, then yes, none of this matters. Which is where we are at. Is this what you mean by it doesn't matter? You've given up? Why because you are realizin Trump is exactly like Bush? Are you starting to realize you got duped? I'm proud of you DING.
 
So then it doesn't matter what country you live in? You'd be exactly the same successful that you are here and now if you were in the Congo, Canada or Mexico? Bullshit.

It doesn't matter. LOL. How simplistic. None of this matters? Nothing matters? So it doesn't really matter that our greatest generation fought so you can be free? That's all bullshit? People in Canada have it just as good as us and the government doesn't matter? Bullshit.

Go to Canada and you'll see all of this matters.

Also realize CapitalISM is just another ISM. Properly regulated, it's great. Let the rich take over the government, then yes, none of this matters. Which is where we are at. Is this what you mean by it doesn't matter? You've given up? Why because you are realizin Trump is exactly like Bush? Are you starting to realize you got duped? I'm proud of you DING.
No matter what country I lived in I would take care of my business and not rely on anyone to save me because they aren't coming anyway.
 
And you wonder why the debt is climbing. There's going to be a reckoning one day and you're going to kick yourself for being such a dupe.

Debt doesn't matter. Remember you said it yourself. Nothing matters.

It only matters when they want it to matter. The Dollar isn't backed by anything. So the value of the dollar might go down. I can see that happening.

I know exactly when it's going to happen. I'm going to pull my money out before it does. I turn 62 in 7 years.

The Social Security trust funds are projected to be depleted between 2032 and 2035
Exactly when I'm supposed to retire. Will they cut mine 20% too or just screw younger people? I think they will just screw younger people. I hope. But they will use this as the reason for the next Great Recession. They will cut everyone's ss 20% in order to save the program.
And I suspect that will crash the stock market
You should move your 401(k) to safer investments (like bonds or cash equivalents) 3 to 5 years before you plan to retire, or if your personal risk tolerance has changed. Shifting too early risks losing ground to inflation

I will lose a lot of interest if I pull out 3 years before I retire but this whole ss going broke thing has me worried.
 
Debt doesn't matter. Remember you said it yourself. Nothing matters.

It only matters when they want it to matter. The Dollar isn't backed by anything. So the value of the dollar might go down. I can see that happening.

I know exactly when it's going to happen. I'm going to pull my money out before it does. I turn 62 in 7 years.

The Social Security trust funds are projected to be depleted between 2032 and 2035
Exactly when I'm supposed to retire. Will they cut mine 20% too or just screw younger people? I think they will just screw younger people. I hope. But they will use this as the reason for the next Great Recession. They will cut everyone's ss 20% in order to save the program.
And I suspect that will crash the stock market
You should move your 401(k) to safer investments (like bonds or cash equivalents) 3 to 5 years before you plan to retire, or if your personal risk tolerance has changed. Shifting too early risks losing ground to inflation

I will lose a lot of interest if I pull out 3 years before I retire but this whole ss going broke thing has me worried.
Trust me. YOUR debt matters. But it seems you have taken what I said out of context. Feel free to bury your head in the sand and carry on.
 
No matter what country I lived in I would take care of my business and not rely on anyone to save me because they aren't coming anyway.

Yea but the results would be much different in another country. Why is that?

An average Russian worker earns significantly less in nominal wages and has lower overall labor productivity compared to a U.S. worker. However, the difference in everyday purchasing power is much narrower because basic housing and utility costs are considerably lower in Russia.

Seems like the Russian government needs to save their citizens.

A good government "saves" you. A bad government screws you. Take for example liberal democracy in America "saved" the middle class by supporting unions. But not just any unions. Unions with power. So liberal government "saved" the middle class. Actually created it.

Yes, labor unions are legal in Russia. The Russian Constitution and the Labor Code of the Russian Federation guarantee workers the right to associate, form trade unions to protect their interests, and bargain collectively.
However, the environment for unions is highly controlled, and independent union activity faces major obstacles in practice:

. While US unions function as independent, adversarial bargainers aiming to secure better wages and working conditions, Russian unions are largely state-aligned, historically serving administrative roles rather than acting as independent labor advocates.

I'll leave you with this. If you are in a red state in America, you are correct. No one is going to save you. You are on your own. That's because Republicans suck. They don't believe in Government. How can you run government when you don't even believe in Government?
 
Yea but the results would be much different in another country. Why is that?
Because each situation is different. Why do you think that negates your obligation to take care of your own business?
 
Trust me. YOUR debt matters. But it seems you have taken what I said out of context. Feel free to bury your head in the sand and carry on.
Social Security was created to combat the devastating poverty and economic insecurity exposed by the Great Depression, particularly among the elderly. Signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt as part of the New Deal in 1935, its goal was to provide a foundational safety net through old-age pensions and unemployment insurance.

Don't expect Republicans to save you.

Social Security is the largest anti-poverty program in the U.S. It lifts approximately 23 million to 29 million people out of poverty annually.
 
Republican voters think "we" are over regulated. Because corporations tell them they are. And then they point to 1 or 2 ridiculous regulations that do seem like too much. But then they go and undo regulations that are very much necessary.

They never talk specifics. Regulations should be discussed one regulation at a time. But Republicans have been brainwashed to think all regulations are bad. So they defend Republican politicians whenever they deregulate. Even if it doesn't seem like a good idea. Environmental regulations especially. I don't even want to get into it but Trump deregulations are going to cause a lot of harm long after he's gone. And they already are.
I stopped reading at over-regulated. I worked govt.. for a long time. 1 hr. private would complete what government "does" in 100 hours at well north of $100 an hour only to do it wrong. I'm averaging, as the closer to welfare the more progressive the hours "required" to get the job "done".

For examples, the tax was run by Republicans. Primarily great people under weight of socialist and bureaucrat outsiders. We didn't see eye to eye at first, primarily because the position I held before them was in an agency that had literally failed, done, gone, and failed bigly - big fking money man, just neglect and bad policy. That agency had literally failed under the weight of socialist govt., and a monopoly at the power of two.....FACTS. In time I streamlined the position, and fixed stuff. The head, with who we we initially didn't hit off said I could return to the agency any time, open invitation. In other terms thanks, good job. I cleaned up and streamlined the position to a 10 hour work week over 1.5 yrs, then promoted elsewhere. I like my old boss a lot too, saw her the other day. Smart nice Republican lady and does much for the community.

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Last place fell under spell of Obamacare and Woke, quite the fking liberal, getting progressively worse, HOSTILE work environment, poisoned as woke do. I actually worked there twice, it was a nice place, I returned a second time for another promotion. For instance, over two weeks I turned a FT job to 10 minutes a week, with template for future data, fail-safe. The job was held by an engineer for 1.5 years, dude wasn't anywhere near retirment, maybe 35 yrs old. Only thing I heard from a boss (not mine) was she wanted more statistics, easy peazy.... my end. She was a lesbian, and wanted to **** me, it's complicated, she was a liberal, but we got along fine even when she was insecure. Actually a very intelligent woman, just complicated and psycho as lib do.

They didn't even know what they had until I gave it to them, and had to cut it down by 90%. Easy peazy my end, it's a template. I'm not even "a programmer". The libs saw me as a threat - too late, can't leave, "Bush" recession aka fkd over by Obama-care. I turned jobs to easy and effective by nature, while they fought me over it so often, with egg on their faces making it worse for them, as lib do. A bunch of fking bitches really, but of course quite a few great people in some areas, and effective even. Eventually the head admin. saw into their BS as I was concerned, too late, want nothing to do with how that turd was ran, leave me in the corner alone, five more years, just five more years. My boss wanted to fk me too, and golly she was so worthless, a regular bureaucrat mascot, and fake. I could have fucked her over, because she was harassing me on two different levels. I learned to ignore her "instructions", she knew it too, but what are you going to do about it when you're an insecure liberal for good reasons. I tried to save them many many millions of dollars for instance too, simple accounting they were neglecting. They didn't listen cuz they're "experts", and paid tons for it, with delays as lib do, and had to hire out to fix it.

Note the difference, bolded. I've had at least a dozen positions in govt., but come from private, and that's where my blood runs.

Libs. always apply false labels on shit as they narrate. "Under-regulation" by lib-terms is technically a bureaucratic turd.
 
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Social Security was created to combat the devastating poverty and economic insecurity exposed by the Great Depression, particularly among the elderly. Signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt as part of the New Deal in 1935, its goal was to provide a foundational safety net through old-age pensions and unemployment insurance.

Don't expect Republicans to save you.

Social Security is the largest anti-poverty program in the U.S. It lifts approximately 23 million to 29 million people out of poverty annually.
I don't expect anyone to save me.
 
  • Free or very affordable Healthcare
  • Working public transport which is a game changer in economic movement
  • Way better roads,
  • Free third level education,
  • a proper social safety net,
  • way better air and water quality
  • Lower Crime rate (United States homicide rate is roughly 5 to 6 times higher than Germany's)
  • many other things
You get none of those things and any private property you have becomes the socialists. Free health care ends up no healthcare. You will own nothing to use on the "way better" roads. And they have decided that we don't deserve water, air, soil, rain. Open borders invite crime. Did you see Paris burning?
 

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