If you want to take that as evidence the government will save you, go right ahead.
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And if you don't want to take the evidence I showed you that a good government will save you, keep voting GOP with Hafar the condescending rich white dude. You two have a lot in common in fact I'm surprised you two are bickering.
It doesn't matter who you vote for. None of this matters. The only thing that matters is taking care of your business.
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You still are not explaning
Is this a personal opinion
or you have some actual info?
( ps computer acting up can not fix typos sorry.
A good government will send out stimulus checks when times get tough.
A Republican governor in MI during the Bush Great Recession lowered the time you can collect unemployment from 6 months down to 5 months. Can you believe that? Instead of giving people MORE time to find a job when the job market sucked, he gave us LESS time.
So forget about saving me. One government, a Republican one, tried to **** me. That's all the evidence I need.
I wonder how many farmers are getting bailed out after Trump screwed them? I know they won't get everything they lost back from Trump
More than 560,000 farmers received federal economic assistance from the Emergency Commodity Assistance Program, with tens of thousands of additional specialty crop producers participating in supplemental relief.
The total number of recipients for the most recent $12 billion Farmer Bridge Assistance Program (slated for row-crop and specialty crop farmers impacted by trade policies and low prices) is determined by applicants who fall under individual payment caps of \(\$155,000\) and Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) limits.
There are approximately 3.4 million agricultural producers (farmers and decision-makers) operating about 1.9 million farms across the United States. [1, 2]
And you wonder why the debt is climbing. There's going to be a reckoning one day and you're going to kick yourself for being such a dupe.
So then it doesn't matter what country you live in? You'd be exactly the same successful that you are here and now if you were in the Congo, Canada or Mexico? Bullshit.
It doesn't matter. LOL. How simplistic. None of this matters? Nothing matters? So it doesn't really matter that our greatest generation fought so you can be free? That's all bullshit? People in Canada have it just as good as us and the government doesn't matter? Bullshit.
Go to Canada and you'll see all of this matters.
Also realize CapitalISM is just another ISM. Properly regulated, it's great. Let the rich take over the government, then yes, none of this matters. Which is where we are at. Is this what you mean by it doesn't matter? You've given up? Why because you are realizin Trump is exactly like Bush? Are you starting to realize you got duped? I'm proud of you DING.
No matter what country I lived in I would take care of my business and not rely on anyone to save me because they aren't coming anyway.
Debt doesn't matter. Remember you said it yourself. Nothing matters.
It only matters when they want it to matter. The Dollar isn't backed by anything. So the value of the dollar might go down. I can see that happening.
I know exactly when it's going to happen. I'm going to pull my money out before it does. I turn 62 in 7 years.
The Social Security trust funds are projected to be depleted between 2032 and 2035
Exactly when I'm supposed to retire. Will they cut mine 20% too or just screw younger people? I think they will just screw younger people. I hope. But they will use this as the reason for the next Great Recession. They will cut everyone's ss 20% in order to save the program.
And I suspect that will crash the stock market
You should move your 401(k) to safer investments (like bonds or cash equivalents) 3 to 5 years before you plan to retire, or if your personal risk tolerance has changed. Shifting too early risks losing ground to inflation
I will lose a lot of interest if I pull out 3 years before I retire but this whole ss going broke thing has me worried.
Trust me. YOUR debt matters. But it seems you have taken what I said out of context. Feel free to bury your head in the sand and carry on.
Yea but the results would be much different in another country. Why is that?
An average Russian worker earns significantly less in nominal wages and has lower overall labor productivity compared to a U.S. worker. However, the difference in everyday purchasing power is much narrower because basic housing and utility costs are considerably lower in Russia.
Seems like the Russian government needs to save their citizens.
A good government "saves" you. A bad government screws you. Take for example liberal democracy in America "saved" the middle class by supporting unions. But not just any unions. Unions with power. So liberal government "saved" the middle class. Actually created it.
Yes, labor unions are legal in Russia. The Russian Constitution and the Labor Code of the Russian Federation guarantee workers the right to associate, form trade unions to protect their interests, and bargain collectively.
However, the environment for unions is highly controlled, and independent union activity faces major obstacles in practice:
. While US unions function as independent, adversarial bargainers aiming to secure better wages and working conditions, Russian unions are largely state-aligned, historically serving administrative roles rather than acting as independent labor advocates.
I'll leave you with this. If you are in a red state in America, you are correct. No one is going to save you. You are on your own. That's because Republicans suck. They don't believe in Government. How can you run government when you don't even believe in Government?
Because each situation is different. Why do you think that negates your obligation to take care of your own business?
Social Security was created to combat the devastating poverty and economic insecurity exposed by the Great Depression, particularly among the elderly. Signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt as part of the New Deal in 1935, its goal was to provide a foundational safety net through old-age pensions and unemployment insurance.
Don't expect Republicans to save you.
Social Security is the largest anti-poverty program in the U.S. It lifts approximately 23 million to 29 million people out of poverty annually.
It doesn't. No matter what country you live in you have to TCoyoB
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I stopped reading at over-regulated. I worked govt.. for a long time. 1 hr. private would complete what government "does" in 100 hours at well north of $100 an hour only to do it wrong. I'm averaging, as the closer to welfare the more progressive the hours "required" to get the job "done".
For examples, the tax was run by Republicans. Primarily great people under weight of socialist and bureaucrat outsiders. We didn't see eye to eye at first, primarily because the position I held before them was in an agency that had literally failed, done, gone, and failed bigly - big fking money man, just neglect and bad policy. That agency had literally failed under the weight of socialist govt., and a monopoly at the power of two.....FACTS. In time I streamlined the position, and fixed stuff. The head, with who we we initially didn't hit off said I could return to the agency any time, open invitation. In other terms thanks, good job. I cleaned up and streamlined the position to a 10 hour work week over 1.5 yrs, then promoted elsewhere. I like my old boss a lot too, saw her the other day. Smart nice Republican lady and does much for the community.
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Last place fell under spell of Obamacare and Woke, quite the fking liberal, getting progressively worse, HOSTILE work environment, poisoned as woke do. I actually worked there twice, it was a nice place, I returned a second time for another promotion. For instance, over two weeks I turned a FT job to 10 minutes a week, with template for future data, fail-safe. The job was held by an engineer for 1.5 years, dude wasn't anywhere near retirment, maybe 35 yrs old. Only thing I heard from a boss (not mine) was she wanted more statistics, easy peazy.... my end. She was a lesbian, and wanted to **** me, it's complicated, she was a liberal, but we got along fine even when she was insecure. Actually a very intelligent woman, just complicated and psycho as lib do.
They didn't even know what they had until I gave it to them, and had to cut it down by 90%. Easy peazy my end, it's a template. I'm not even "a programmer". The libs saw me as a threat - too late, can't leave, "Bush" recession aka fkd over by Obama-care. I turned jobs to easy and effective by nature, while they fought me over it so often, with egg on their faces making it worse for them, as lib do. A bunch of fking bitches really, but of course quite a few great people in some areas, and effective even. Eventually the head admin. saw into their BS as I was concerned, too late, want nothing to do with how that turd was ran, leave me in the corner alone, five more years, just five more years. My boss wanted to fk me too, and golly she was so worthless, a regular bureaucrat mascot, and fake. I could have fucked her over, because she was harassing me on two different levels. I learned to ignore her "instructions", she knew it too, but what are you going to do about it when you're an insecure liberal for good reasons. I tried to save them many many millions of dollars for instance too, simple accounting they were neglecting. They didn't listen cuz they're "experts", and paid tons for it, with delays as lib do, and had to hire out to fix it.
Note the difference, bolded. I've had at least a dozen positions in govt., but come from private, and that's where my blood runs.
Libs. always apply false labels on shit as they narrate. "Under-regulation" by lib-terms is technically a bureaucratic turd.
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I don't expect anyone to save me.
Exactly. So if you do that does it matter what the government does?
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You get none of those things and any private property you have becomes the socialists. Free health care ends up no healthcare. You will own nothing to use on the "way better" roads. And they have decided that we don't deserve water, air, soil, rain. Open borders invite crime. Did you see Paris burning?
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All that you keep doing is presenting your opinions as fact and painting a glorified picture of the economic realities of capitalism. Granted , there are others who subscribe to your views but that does not make them right, and they are in the minority , You, and they are expounding a theory of how things should work in a just and rational world. The reality, which you ignore is far different
Click here for source data:
Proponents argue that leaving more money in the hands of the wealthy and corporations encourages investment, expansion, and job creation, which ultimately benefits everyone.
In practice, the additional capital retained by high earners is largely not spent in ways that cascade down. Instead, it tends to stay concentrated at the top through stock dividends, executive bonuses, and asset accumulation
What the Data Shows
No Trickle-Down Effect: A major London School of Economics study analyzing 50 years of tax cuts in 18 wealthy nations found that they consistently resulted in higher income inequality but had no statistically significant effect on unemployment or economic growth.
Wage Stagnation: Research shows that instead of generating wealth for lower and middle classes, tax cuts frequently led to trillions of dollars in wage growth being redistributed away from average workers directly to the top 1% of earners.
Bottom-Up Growth: Leading institutions like the IMF have found the reverse to be true: increasing the income share of the poor and middle class is what actually drives sustainable economic growth. [1]
You said that “The economy grows so its not zero sum” Yes the economy groes in terms of GDP and the stock market, but that does not benefit all or even most people who do not have investments.
You said that “wealth is built by creating ideas that society wants. Then create a business plan that works.” So? Your point is what exactly? Are our socialistic programs and policies somehow putting a damper on that? More importantly, does it benefit working people- of just those on top ?
As far as job creations goes, the wealth are not going to create jobs just because they have some extra case sitting around . They would just as soon buy another yacht or put it in a Swiss bank. They will only create jobs if there is a market for their good or services and if people do not have money, there is no market
You said that “Anyone can invest and make capitals gains. Just do it.” Totally ridiculous !!! That right there shows how pathetically far out of touch with reality you are. Many people do not have anything left to invest after meeting basic needs…..many cant even do that and thanks to Trumps Tariffs and War it’s getting worse . You have destroyed all credibility , if in fact you ever had any
There is no Mathew effect education is free.??? EDUCATION IS FEE???? More evidence of your tenuous hold on reality . High school is free/ If you want to go to trade school or college you pay….and then you drown in debt. The Mathew effect is very real indeed and it’s not just about education. .
You said “Socialism doesnt level the playing field. It creats two class sosiety Rich elites and the poor.”?? CAPITALISM creates two class society rich elites and the poor.”??
“Examples, Cuba, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela before Maduro was arrested” More evidence of how confused you are. Actually, this explains a lot. You’re simply too entrenched in your narrow, ridged , binary thought process where everything is either good or bad . You’re clearly unable to discern the subtle- or not so subtle- differences between Socialism in the context of a Marxist dictatorship and Democratic Socialism.
You said “Lower income families will aways exist. Not enough skills, not enough ambition, poor choices etc. What you earn is based on your value to society.” and “ If you don’t earn enough that’s your problem” .
Classic blaming the victim bullshit! The victims of unchecked capitalism. Poverty and unemployment are structurally built into the capitalist system. Inequality of opportunity is standard. You really don’t understand much, do you? What planet do you live on??
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