So Now Democrats Admit Trump Had A Point

[Sandy Shanks]

That becomes an interesting question when one realizes that our capitol was under attack, the lives of the members of Congress were being threatened, and the Commander-in-Chief did nothing for over three hours.

CNBC reports, "The Jan. 6 select committee’s eighth public hearing Thursday will go inside the White House to detail then-President Donald Trump’s hourslong refusal to call for an end to the Capitol riot.

"The hearing marks the final scheduled presentation of the committee’s initial findings from its investigation of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, when throngs of Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol and temporarily stopped Congress from confirming President Joe Biden’s victory.

"The nine-member committee, which is comprised of seven Democrats and two Republicans, has accused Trump of being at the center of a multi-pronged conspiracy to overturn his loss to Biden in the 2020 contest.

"The panel is expected to present audio and video evidence, as well as live testimony from two former White House officials, to drill down on Trump’s inaction during a crucial 187-minute gap between the end of his pre-riot rally near the White House and his eventual Twitter call for the mob to go home.

Trump was watching television in a White House dining room while rioters were raging at the Capitol, multiple witnesses told the select committee.

“To the best of my recollection, he was always in the dining room,” former White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told investigators.

"Retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg said he recalled, “everyone was watching the TV.”

"Trump’s former executive assistant Molly Michael told the committee that when she talked to Trump on Jan. 6, “It’s my understanding he was watching television.”

"Former White House counsel Pat Cipollone, a highly sought-after witness who spoke with the investigation under subpoena in recent weeks, confirmed that the violence occurring at the Capitol was visible on the television screen when he was in the dining room with Trump."

The testimony speaks for itself, and no one, including Trump, disputes what he was doing -- better yet, what he was not doing -- while the attack on the capitol was going on.

 

[alang1216]

Politicians in both parties have long sought loopholes, vagueness, and ambiguities to override legislation, including election laws. By passing ECA reform, democrats are admitting that the very center of Trump's bid to "overturn the election results" was indeed a loophole in the law, a vagueness in the law, and an ambiguity is the law. Democrats are just jealous that Trump uncovered it and tried to take advantage of it. But, even though democrats now admit all of this, it's still full steam ahead in going after Trump with their kangaroo hearings.

Senators reach deal to clarify 1887 law at center of Jan. 6 attempt to overturn election

The ambiguous 19th century law

The senators hope to address the apparent loopholes and vagueness in the bill

The bipartisan group of 16 senators, nine Republicans and seven Democrats, led by Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and including Trump ally Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a joint statement, "From the beginning, our bipartisan group has shared a vision of drafting legislation to fix the flaws of the archaic and ambiguous Electoral Count Act of 1887. Through numerous meetings and debates among our colleagues as well as conversations with a wide variety of election experts and legal scholars, we have developed legislation that establishes clear guidelines for our system of certifying and counting electoral votes for President and Vice President. We urge our colleagues in both parties to support these simple, commonsense reforms."

Senators reach deal to clarify 1887 law at center of Jan. 6 attempt to overturn election

As the House committee probing the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol continues to reveal how it says then-President Donald Trump and his allies worked to overturn the 2020 election, a bipartisan group of senators has quietly reached agreement on a sweeping effort to overhaul the very law at the heart...

www.yahoo.com

The only unambiguous thing about the election were the results. Biden beat Trump in both the popular vote and in the electoral college. Sounds like US democracy worked, much to the chagrin of Trump and the GOP.

 

[Lesh]

Like Democrats do, Trump thought he found a loophole and tried to take advantage of it. Just the fact that dems are now signing off on ECA reform is an acknowledgment that Trump did, in fact, find a vague loophole. So, the hearings are a bunch of bs because democrats acknowledge that the ECA was vague.

Wrong. Dems want to make it CLEAR that what Trump did was wrong and illegal and to make sure it never happens again

 

[emilseine]

The problem we had in 2020 when the Democrats stole the election was that there was a rush to certify before any meaningful investigation of the fraud took place.

That is why Pence should have ordered an audit of the contested Democrat districts where the fraud took place.

You moron. Take that gross flag down off your avatar.

 

[Flash]

You moron. Take that gross flag down off your avatar.

I have the avatar of the Glorious Stars and Bars just to trigger you stupid hate filled Moon Bats.

Thanks for playing.

 

[basquebromance]

I don't want to say the election's over. I just want to say 'Congress has certified the results,' without saying the election's over, okay?

 

[Independentthinker]

The only unambiguous thing about the election were the results. Biden beat Trump in both the popular vote and in the electoral college. Sounds like US democracy worked, much to the chagrin of Trump and the GOP.

So, you're saying that it all worked. So, what's the big deal about Trump trying to exploit a loophole that even democrats acknowledge by changing the ECA? He tried to exploit it and it didn't work out, just like democrats have tried to exploit loopholes numerous times.

 

[Independentthinker]

Wrong. Dems want to make it CLEAR that what Trump did was wrong and illegal and to make sure it never happens again

If the ECA wasn't vague and ambiguous there would be no need to change the ECA.

 

[Lesh]

If the ECA wasn't vague and ambiguous there would be no need to change the ECA.

That's your opinion. It's as worthless as you

 

[Independentthinker]

That's your opinion. It's as worthless as you

It's NOT my opinion. Democrats are changing it because it was vague.

 

[Dragonlady]

Politicians in both parties have long sought loopholes, vagueness, and ambiguities to override legislation, including election laws. By passing ECA reform, democrats are admitting that the very center of Trump's bid to "overturn the election results" was indeed a loophole in the law, a vagueness in the law, and an ambiguity is the law. Democrats are just jealous that Trump uncovered it and tried to take advantage of it. But, even though democrats now admit all of this, it's still full steam ahead in going after Trump with their kangaroo hearings.

Senators reach deal to clarify 1887 law at center of Jan. 6 attempt to overturn election

The ambiguous 19th century law

The senators hope to address the apparent loopholes and vagueness in the bill

The bipartisan group of 16 senators, nine Republicans and seven Democrats, led by Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and including Trump ally Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a joint statement, "From the beginning, our bipartisan group has shared a vision of drafting legislation to fix the flaws of the archaic and ambiguous Electoral Count Act of 1887. Through numerous meetings and debates among our colleagues as well as conversations with a wide variety of election experts and legal scholars, we have developed legislation that establishes clear guidelines for our system of certifying and counting electoral votes for President and Vice President. We urge our colleagues in both parties to support these simple, commonsense reforms."

Senators reach deal to clarify 1887 law at center of Jan. 6 attempt to overturn election

As the House committee probing the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol continues to reveal how it says then-President Donald Trump and his allies worked to overturn the 2020 election, a bipartisan group of senators has quietly reached agreement on a sweeping effort to overhaul the very law at the heart...

www.yahoo.com

What "point" do you think that Trump had? That it was OK for him to try to overturn the election because there's "loophole" in the law that will allow him to steal it???? Trump lost the election. That's the ONLY thing that matters here.

His ONLY option is to concede and transfer power. Anything else is insurrection.

 

[Lesh]

It's NOT my opinion. Democrats are changing it because it was vague.

In your opinion

LOL

 

[Independentthinker]

What "point" do you think that Trump had? That it was OK for him to try to overturn the election because there's "loophole" in the law that will allow him to steal it???? Trump lost the election. That's the ONLY thing that matters here.

His ONLY option is to concede and transfer power. Anything else is insurrection.

He tried to exploit a loophole in the laws, just as both parties do.

 

[Independentthinker]

In your opinion

LOL

So, you deny that democrats are trying to reform the ECA? Why do it if it was so cut and dry?

 

[Lesh]

So, you deny that democrats are trying to reform the ECA? Why do it if it was so cut and dry?

I understand that they want to make sure that something like this CAN'T happen again

 

[alang1216]

So, you're saying that it all worked. So, what's the big deal about Trump trying to exploit a loophole that even democrats acknowledge by changing the ECA? He tried to exploit it and it didn't work out, just like democrats have tried to exploit loopholes numerous times.

Trump is welcome to every legal remedy available to him. Who complained about the 60 court cases he lost? Extra-legal options like ignoring voters or sending an armed mob to keep him in office? No, that is 3rd world stuff and absolutely unacceptable.

 

[Independentthinker]

I understand that they want to make sure that something like this CAN'T happen again

Exactly, because the law allowed a vague loophole which they want to close.

 

[BlindBoo]

I have the avatar of the Glorious Stars and Bars just to trigger you stupid hate filled Moon Bats.

Thanks for playing.

No you don't.

You have "The Stainless Banner."

 

[Flash]

No you don't.
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You have "The Stainless Banner."

In one of the letters my great, great, great grandfather wrote while serving in the 9th Florida Regiment he referred to his regimental battle flag as the Stars and Bars. Maybe he didn't get the memo on the proper name of the flags.

 

[dudmuck]

Exactly, because the law allowed a vague loophole which they want to close.

Trump's "point" was that he had Eastman find a possible loophole in the electoral count act for the purpose of subverting democracy.
But Pence didnt play ball, so they wanted to hang him.