Snake Meat......source of chinese virus

[badger2]

This today from Avian Flu Talk:

Kazakhstan: Unknown Pneumonia Deadlier Than COVID-19

Deadlier than Covid-19? China warns of unknown pneumonia in Kazakhstan

Statement from embassy warns that death rate is ‘much higher’ than coronavirus and says local authorities have yet to identify cause.

www.scmp.com

'....death rate of this disease is much higher than the novel coronavirus.'

 

[badger2]

Investigating COVID-19 mutations, another dengue connection (post #667) has been found:

The original COVID-19 strain (before Feb 2020) had an aspartic acid (D614) instead of the current glycine (G614):

COVID-19 G614 Mutation

SARS-CoV-2 viral spike G614 mutation exhibits higher case fatality rate - PubMed

These results imply that G614 is a more pathogenic strain of SARS-CoV-2, which may influence vaccine design. The prevalence of this form of the virus should also be included in epidemiologic models predicting the COVID-19 health burden and fatality over time in specific regions. Physicians...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

G614 Increased Transduction

The Spike D614G mutation increases SARS-CoV-2 infection of multiple human cell types - PubMed

A novel isolate of the SARS-CoV-2 virus carrying a point mutation in the Spike protein (D614G) has recently emerged and rapidly surpassed others in prevalence. This mutation is in linkage disequilibrium with an ORF1b protein variant (P314L), making it difficult to discern the functional...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dengue Capsid Mutation G614

Whole genome sequencing and genetic variations in several dengue virus type 1 strains from unusual dengue epidemic of 2017 in Vietnam - PubMed

The present study is the first of its kind to describe complete genome sequence as well as genetic variants and phylogenetic analysis of DENV-1 associated with the unusual dengue epidemic of 2017 in northern Vietnam. These results provide detailed evidence to elucidate the origin, circulation...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[badger2]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

 

[Flopper]

The chiinese eat all kinds of exotic foods......and live with pigs in many cases....the source of most of the flu viruses that travel around the world.

.Wuhan: Chinese scientists trace coronavirus to snakes - Breitbart

The big question is what is to be done about it? We all know that Chinese hygiene is well behind the West and wet markets are the predominate food retail outlets in China as well as most of Asia. Without constructive comments, threads like this are waste of time.

 

[Flopper]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

 

[beagle9]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

 

[Flopper]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

 

[beagle9]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

HIV is a natural occuring virus in the wild ?? Where does it come from, and how do people avoid it ???

 

[beagle9]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

I don't know, alot has changed in the trade industry, especially after we began to suffer greatly under the massive weight of it all.

The Chinese might have felt backed into a corner, and have since become as desperate as the Democrats are these days. Who'd a thunk that we would see a crime network develope out of the Democrat party with one purpose in mind like we've seen ??

I don't trust anything anymore.

 

[Flopper]

This today from Avian Flu Talk:

Kazakhstan: Unknown Pneumonia Deadlier Than COVID-19

Deadlier than Covid-19? China warns of unknown pneumonia in Kazakhstan

Statement from embassy warns that death rate is ‘much higher’ than coronavirus and says local authorities have yet to identify cause.

www.scmp.com

'....death rate of this disease is much higher than the novel coronavirus.'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/asia/kazakhstan-pneumonia-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

 

[Flopper]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

HIV is a natural occuring virus in the wild ?? Where does it come from, and how do people avoid it ???

HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Origin of HIV & AIDS

Where did HIV come from? Here we discuss evidence about the origin of HIV and how it came to affect humans.

www.avert.org

.

 

[John T. Ford]

The chiinese eat all kinds of exotic foods......and live with pigs in many cases....the source of most of the flu viruses that travel around the world.

.Wuhan: Chinese scientists trace coronavirus to snakes - Breitbart

Who the Hell is so Gullible that they would believe ANYTHING "Chinese Scientist" say ....

WTH ......

 

[beagle9]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

HIV is a natural occuring virus in the wild ?? Where does it come from, and how do people avoid it ???

HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Origin of HIV & AIDS

Where did HIV come from? Here we discuss evidence about the origin of HIV and how it came to affect humans.

www.avert.org

.

And it traveled around the entire world in some sort of linked way eh ???? Tell us about that linked way that it traveled around the world being able to infect million's upon millions ??

So you're saying that it was found in the republic of Congo, and it wasn't detected by the WHO or others immediately or within an ample amount of time before infecting most of the world with it ???

 

[Flopper]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

HIV is a natural occuring virus in the wild ?? Where does it come from, and how do people avoid it ???

HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Origin of HIV & AIDS

Where did HIV come from? Here we discuss evidence about the origin of HIV and how it came to affect humans.

www.avert.org

.

And it traveled around the entire world in some sort of linked way eh ???? Tell us about that linked way that it traveled around the world being able to infect million's upon millions ??

So you're saying that it was found in the republic of Congo, and it wasn't detected by the WHO or others immediately or within an ample amount of time before infecting most of the world with it ???

No. It was traced back to Chimps in the Congo decades later. The first human infection was detected in a blood sample in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo. This was all done from research in in 1980's and 90's.

The WHO became involved with HIV in 2004. The role of the World Health Organization in HIV/AIDS is to help countries close the gaps in their health sectors and to help ensure that life-saving HIV services are accessible to everyone who needs them. The WHO has been the primary international organization providing HIV treatment, care, and prevention services in 3rd world countries. for over a generation.

What Trump is doing is just plain horrible. He's trying to destroy one of the primary international healthcare organizations in the world that does enormous good in 3rd world countries in order to deflect his failure to manage the covid 19 epidemic in the US. And you guys wonder why Trump is hated so much. He just doesn't give a damn about anybody or anything except himself.

 

[HenryBHough]

The chiinese eat all kinds of exotic foods......and live with pigs in many cases....the source of most of the flu viruses that travel around the world.

.Wuhan: Chinese scientists trace coronavirus to snakes - Breitbart

Let this be a warning to all cannibals. Always ask your meal its (former) political affiliation. If it was a Democrat beware. Eating it could kill you.

 

[Flopper]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

I don't know, alot has changed in the trade industry, especially after we began to suffer greatly under the massive weight of it all.

The Chinese might have felt backed into a corner, and have since become as desperate as the Democrats are these days. Who'd a thunk that we would see a crime network develope out of the Democrat party with one purpose in mind like we've seen ??

I don't trust anything anymore.

Yes, they might and pigs might be flying

 

[beagle9]

Note that the transduction study above mentions that vaccines in development were based on the original D614. COVID-19 has mutated using glycine, an amino acid that has unique folding abilities compared with other amino acids.

So?

If not a virus that has been tampered with by the whu han lab, then it is a naturally occurring thing correct ??? And that is good thing.

The human being can defeat all naturally occurring viruses in the wild, but if this has been toyed with, and it has been released due to a diabolical plan of either by some sort of accidental release, then the Chinese should be charged for creating a weapon of mass destruction, and for releasing it on the world..... They should be sanctioned heavily for it by the super powers that have been affected the most, and for whom should then inturn help the smaller countries that were also hit hard by it.

Action should be taken... There is no other way if justice is to be done.

No, humans can not defeat all natural occurring viruses for example HIV.

A weaponized virus suffers from the same problem as other biological weapons. Once released they are very difficult to control if not impossible. It could easily infect China or almost as bad infect over nations intentionally or accidentally that have nuclear capability such the US or Russia.

Even if the Chinese could develop and control such a virus, why would they want to do that? Most of the country's wealth comes from exports. The Chinese communist are rolling in money thanks to Chinese exports. Killing off all your customers and possibly yourself doesn't make much sense.

You've been watching too many sci-fi movies.

HIV is a natural occuring virus in the wild ?? Where does it come from, and how do people avoid it ???

HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Origin of HIV & AIDS

Where did HIV come from? Here we discuss evidence about the origin of HIV and how it came to affect humans.

www.avert.org

.

And it traveled around the entire world in some sort of linked way eh ???? Tell us about that linked way that it traveled around the world being able to infect million's upon millions ??

So you're saying that it was found in the republic of Congo, and it wasn't detected by the WHO or others immediately or within an ample amount of time before infecting most of the world with it ???

No. It was traced back to Chimps in the Congo decades later. The first human infection was detected in a blood sample in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo. This was all done from research in in 1980's and 90's.

The WHO became involved with HIV in 2004. The role of the World Health Organization in HIV/AIDS is to help countries close the gaps in their health sectors and to help ensure that life-saving HIV services are accessible to everyone who needs them. The WHO has been the primary international organization providing HIV treatment, care, and prevention services in 3rd world countries. for over a generation.

What Trump is doing is just plain horrible. He's trying to destroy one of the primary international healthcare organizations in the world that does enormous good in 3rd world countries in order to deflect his failure to manage the covid 19 epidemic in the US. And you guys wonder why Trump is hated so much. He just doesn't give a damn about anybody or anything except himself.

Is HIV airborne ??? How did it affect so many around the world ?? What's it's primary transport from human to human ?? Is it something humans are doing that caused the epidemic to spread out of control, and if so what should have been the warnings put out by world governments to stop the virus ???

 

[badger2]

A family in Nairobi traditionally practicing prostitution had natural vaginal mucosal immunity to HIV-1, and thus were transmitting it heterosexually as well. An excellent and controversial work is Edward Hooper's The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV/AIDS.

So?....when we see the glycine mutation both in COVID-19 (and [italics]) in dengue (previous post), we recall that we've already posted to this thread the report on COVID-19 autopsies that makes the dengue link (megakaryocytes). A manufactured lab virus would be too unwieldy in nature. Furthermore, there is some evidence that dengue virus can mutate against a vaccine, so one would want to know all they can about this dynamic.

We certainly advocate speculation, though even wild speculation should likely be based on science. One can go to Pubmed and plug in any two search terms to see where it leads. Sometimes there is only one reference, sometimes there are many.

 

[badger2]

#715: Yes, cannibalism definitely links to prions. #712: Your argument runs into snags. Our current trajectory on this thread for COVID-19 intermediate hosts links to a (co-authored [italics]) study from three institutions: Wuhan University, China; Los Alamos National Labs, New Mexico, and University of California at San Diego (post #543).

 

[beagle9]

A family in Nairobi traditionally practicing prostitution had natural vaginal mucosal immunity to HIV-1, and thus were transmitting it heterosexually as well. An excellent and controversial work is Edward Hooper's The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV/AIDS.

So?....when we see the glycine mutation both in COVID-19 (and [italics]) in dengue (previous post), we recall that we've already posted to this thread the report on COVID-19 autopsies that makes the dengue link (megakaryocytes). A manufactured lab virus would be too unwieldy in nature. Furthermore, there is some evidence that dengue virus can mutate against a vaccine, so one would want to know all they can about this dynamic.

We certainly advocate speculation, though even wild speculation should likely be based on science. One can go to Pubmed and plug in any two search terms to see where it leads. Sometimes there is only one reference, sometimes there are many.

Is HIV airborne ??? If not then even so why wasn't it's known transmission controlled as aggressive as any other deadly viral disease that is being controlled in order to save lives by the million's ???? Otherwise if the type of transmission was known, then why wasn't there a quarantine of the individuals who had it, and the actions of transmission haulted by the infected individuals until the deadly disease was identified better, a cure in the works, and this so it could be highly limited in it's transmission rates ???