America Is Done Pretending About Meat

[buttercup]

Ummmm....he doesn't look very healthy to me.

I bet his bloodwork is majorly better than people who eat a lot of animal products.

Like I mentioned earlier on the thread....in the last 9 years since I went vegan, every single time I've gotten my bloodwork done it has come back near perfect.

And like I've mentioned on other threads, I pretty much never get sick anymore. Even when people around me are sick. My niece and nephew and brother-in-law (all of them non-vegan) seem to be always getting sick. Meanwhile, my sister (who is like 95% plantbased) rarely does, and like I said, I almost never do.

But for me it's not about health....that just happens to be a nice benefit, but not the reason I do it.

 

[westwall]

I bet his bloodwork is majorly better than people who eat a lot of animal products.

Like I mentioned earlier on the thread....in the last 9 years since I went vegan, every single time I've gotten my bloodwork done it has come back near perfect.

And like I've mentioned on other threads, I pretty much never get sick anymore. Even when people around me are sick. My niece and nephew and brother-in-law (all of them non-vegan) seem to be always getting sick. Meanwhile, my sister (who is like 95% plantbased) rarely does, and like I said, I almost never do.

But for me it's not about health....that just happens to be a nice benefit, but not the reason I do it.

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[toobfreak]

Ummmm....he doesn't look very healthy to me.

Here is a photo of what likely is the healthiest man to have lived in the past several hundred years.

 

[toobfreak]

Like I mentioned earlier on the thread....in the last 9 years since I went vegan, every single time I've gotten my bloodwork done it has come back near perfect.

False equivalence. If you drank a glass of milk each morning before sunrise, would you also attribute drinking milk with making the Sun come up? You have nothing to compare your bloodwork against since it is a case of 1 event out of 1.

And like I've mentioned on other threads, I pretty much never get sick anymore.

I never get sick and I eat plenty of meat. I might infer from that the meat is making me healthier!

 

[westwall]

False equivalence. If you drank a glass of milk each morning before sunrise, would you also attribute drinking milk with making the Sun come up? You have nothing to compare your bloodwork against since it is a case of 1 event out of 1.


I never get sick and I eat plenty of meat. I might infer from that the meat is making me healthier!

These people truly don't understand the scientific method, do they?

 

[toobfreak]

Ummmm....he doesn't look very healthy to me.

One of the best gauges is the tongue. A healthy person should wake with a clean tongue. If you wake with a thick gray coating on your tongue, you need to go on a good diet.

 

[toobfreak]

These people truly don't understand the scientific method, do they?

Apparently not.

 

[buttercup]

False equivalence. If you drank a glass of milk each morning before sunrise, would you also attribute drinking milk with making the Sun come up? You have nothing to compare your bloodwork against since it is a case of 1 event out of 1.


I never get sick and I eat plenty of meat. I might infer from that the meat is making me healthier!

I'm comparing myself to my PREVIOUS self, when I ate a lot animal products.

I mean....to me it's not that hard to figure out. I used to get sick far more often, and overall I just wasn't in very good health. And now, like I said, my immune system is way stronger, I feel better after eating, etc. Apart from a radical change in my diet.... what else am I supposed to attribute it to? That's the main thing that changed.

 

[toobfreak]

These people truly don't understand the scientific method, do they?

I was quasi-vegan for a time. That is another story. Back around 2006 or so, a buddy (who was a great chef) convinced me to go back to eating beef. Since then, I have not had as single parking or speeding ticket.

Conclusion: eating meat obviously makes me a better driver.

 

[toobfreak]

I mean....to me it's not that hard to figure out. I used to get sick far more often, and overall I just wasn't in very good health. And now, like I said, my immune system is way stronger, I feel better after eating, etc.

That is fine. All I'm saying is before you draw any conclusions, you would need to go back to eating meat then see if your bloodwork or health follows any trend. Better still, take a group of 500 vegans against 500 meat eaters, and look for any correlation.

Problem: controls can be a funny thing. Meat or vegan, you must also consider that eating vegan carries with it fresher food, more active vitamins, more fiber, etc., than someone might get eating a one-sided meat diet, so it might still not be the meat and the vegetables might not really be giving you better health, just that people eating vegan might also take preparing their meals more seriously, use better ingredients, or be more disposed to leading a more healthy active lifestyle, etc. So, one must be careful in drawing too many fast conclusions from a small set of data.

 

[toobfreak]

Apart from a radical change in my diet.... what else am I supposed to attribute it to?

I don't know. You have a theory. You are happy. I say, run with it. There was a time I grew my own garden--- if you want to be a veggie, you just cannot beat fresh, homegrown vegetables.

I used to grow my own wild strawberries--- if you ever get the chance, try some. Only caveat is that they are small and must be eaten within 30 minutes of being picked, but what a flavor!

Probably by extension, you also probably cannot beat your own fresh, homegrown beef, but I haven't room here for grazing cattle.

 

[buttercup]

That is fine. All I'm saying is before you draw any conclusions, you would need to go back to eating meat then see if your bloodwork or health follows any trend. Better still, take a group of 500 vegans against 500 meat eaters, and look for any correlation.

Problem: controls can be a funny thing. Meat or vegan, you must also consider that eating vegan carries with it fresher food, more active vitamins, more fiber, etc., than someone might get eating a one-sided meat diet, so it might still not be the meat and the vegetables might not really be giving you better health, just that people eating vegan might also take preparing their meals more seriously, use better ingredients, or be more disposed to leading a more healthy active lifestyle, etc. So, one must be careful in drawing too many fast conclusions from a small set of data.

I get all that. But I don't have to do a study. Plenty of studies have already been done that show the benefits of a WFPB diet. And also plenty of studies that show a high intake of meat increases the risk of heart disease and certain types of cancer. Plus, I've seen tons of personal testimonies of people who not only prevented disease but actually reversed disease, by radically changing their diet to WFPB.

But again.... I don't do it for health reasons, so that whole topic is not my area of interest. Like I said a little while ago, for me it was just a nice benefit. I agree with what Carl said about eating "God food"... meaning food that was designed and intended to be food. You can't go wrong with that.

 

[toobfreak]

"God food"... meaning food that was designed and intended to be food.

Whatever floats your boat. Every study shows cigarettes really bad for you yet some people like George Burns smokes like a chimney then lives to be 100 anyway, so who knows?

As to what was designed and intended to be food, whatever looks and tastes good to you is food. If a gazelle is good food designed and intended for a lion, then why not me?

I have no idea what goats and sheep and cattle are good for if not for meat, cheese and milk. All they do is stand around staring off into space. Besides, Joe Biden said cow farts were ruining the planet.

What was a Brussel Sprout or Broccoli intended and designed for? If they are God's Food then why doesn't all the animals eat them?

Tomatoes were once thought poisonous.

Most vegetables today have been cultivated and engineered for food. In a sense, beef is more natural and closer to what God intended.

That is all, no point, no argument, I'm just saying that whatever tastes good to you and is edible is food.

God made it edible for a reason.

 

[buttercup]

As to what was designed and intended to be food, whatever looks and tastes good to you is food.

Seriously? Come on now. By that logic, Jeffrey Dahmer did nothing wrong, because hey.... the flesh of young guys looked and tasted like "food" to him.

If a gazelle is good food designed and intended for a lion, then why not me?

Lions don't have a choice. We do. We don't have to eat flesh. There is ZERO nutritional need for it, one can get protein and other nutrients from real food, grown, not born.

Besides, wild animals shouldn't be our moral compass. I mean, animals do a lot of things... like rape each other, eat poop, etc. Does that make it OK for humans?

I have no idea what goats and sheep and cattle are good for if not for meat, cheese and milk. All they do is stand around staring off into space. Besides, Joe Biden said cow farts were ruining the planet.

Oh my goodness. Goats are super playful, and sheep are also much more personal and playful than most people realize.

See, here's the problem. You just showed that you think of animals in the way that MOST people do... through the lens of carnism, which is basically "What is their usefulness to me?".... as opposed to looking at them as individual precious beings, just like you would a dog or cat.

This is why I absolutely LOVE animal sanctuaries, especially farm animal sanctuaries. Because they show people that the animals they eat are no different than a dog or cat!

Please take a few minutes and watch this video. He makes an EXCELLENT and beautiful point in this video, and one that I think many people have never even considered.

What was a Brussel Sprout or Broccoli intended and designed for? If they are God's Food then why doesn't all the animals eat them?

If you really want me to answer that question, you're going to hear a spiritual / Christian perspective... so I don't know how you'd feel about that. Last night I sort of got all religion-y in a post to you, and afterward I got the feeling that I probably shouldn't do that, with someone who has different views. I mean, unless they make it clear they're open to it.

But the short answer is.... this is a fallen world, and some animals that started off as herbivores later became omnivores or carnivores. But it wasn't that way in the beginning. And the beginning (paradise) was God's intent. And still is!

Tomatoes were once thought poisonous.

Most vegetablkes today have been cultivated and engineered for food. In a sense, beef is more natural and closer to what God intended.

That is all, no point, no argument, I'm just saying that whatever tastes good to you and is edible is food.

God made it edible for a reason.

Bah. As I already said, cannibals think human flesh is tasty.

But here's the important thing.

What is truly more important: An animal's (who is no different than a dog or cat in all the ways that matter) life....or a few seconds of our own temporary gratification because we want to eat their dead body.... when it's completely unnecessary?

I gotta go for a while, but if you feel like replying, I might be back later.

 

[gipper]

Yeah, I didn't know before that stuff like that happened. But in recent years when I started looking into the studies out there, I heard from some well-known and respected doctors who I trust that you have to be careful about studies because nearly all the lies or misleading info out there is based on industry-funded "studies."

What's interesting is Dairy has been dying for years, but the government subsidizes it (which goes against the free market)... and with the growing popularity of plant-based milk (like almond milk, etc) I think they (the Dairy industry) has probably been doing that sort of underhanded thing, to try to retain their business.

As a matter of fact... I wouldn't be surprised if the "Keto" diet and the "carnivore" diet trend wasn't started by the meat industry.

People are SO quick to jump on bandwagons. But ESPECIALLY when it's what their itching ears want to hear.

Nobody wants to hear "broccoli is good for you"..... People want to hear "bacon is good for you."

And as you know, some people give more importance to what they desire than what is actually true.

I’m mildly shocked any of us can live to old age and be healthy, when considering how badly they’ve contaminated our food supply, water, and air. To say nothing of the tremendous harms caused by the outrageously expensive HC system.

I’ve heard about injecting farm animals with the vaccine. I don’t know if it’s true, but it wouldn’t surprise me based on their past actions.

 

[toobfreak]

Seriously? Come on now. By that logic, Jeffrey Dahmer did nothing wrong, because hey....

Please don't use B&W reasoning that if a pinch is good then a pound is better. All I'm saying is that throughout the plant and animal kingdom going back billions of years, all life species live off what is appealing and attractive to them by taste, sight, smell, that is how they begin using it as food in the first place, the other part being that food nourishes you. Strictly scientifically speaking, whatever is good for you, nourishing, tasty, attractive, etc., is FOOD.

I'm guessing that part of the life process is that at the beginnings of life, early life tried living on most anything it could get its hands on, and the tastier it was, the more it went for it, and those choices which offered the most nutrition had a hand in deciding which plants, animals and species survived and prospered.

Throughout mankind's life, he's been a berry and seed eater, an agriculturalist, and an omnivore. What great times that today most anyone has available to them to eat anything from Wagyu steaks and Nordic truffles, to exotic dishes from around the world.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That is all, no point, no argument, I'm just saying that whatever tastes good to you and is edible is food

When I was a toddler I used to eat burnt match heads. It tasted good. Must be good food

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Three takeaways from this story.

1. Vegans who didn't eat there still won't eat there.
2. People who eat french fries will buy them where ever french fries are sold
3. McDonald's profit margin will stay the same.

 

[gipper]

When I was a toddler I used to eat burnt match heads. It tasted good. Must be good food

Wow Carl in Mecca, maybe that explains your love of burning Palestinians alive.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The absurd "logic" in an attempt to justify evil is almost comical if it wasn't so evil.

The FACT is, eating flesh is a MORAL issue. This is why some will not "shut up" in telling you it is simply wrong.

If you've ever seen how we get the "food" we eat and it doesn't pierce your soul to the point you will say, "never again will I eat that, then your soul is broken and you need repentance.

Many times Jesus told even His disciples, "there are many things I would like to tell you at this time, but you cannot bear it." And these were His close friends. If THEY couldn't bear all His words, how much less those who were not with Him 24/7???

This is the quandary of the vegan Christian. Our eyes have been opened on at least THIS truth, and we have to decide the balance in speaking up for the voiceless or keeping our mouths shut so as not to offend the weak and drive them further away from this truth.

For me I always go back to this from Proverbs

If you see the innocent being led to the slaughter, DO NOT turn your face away and say, "I did not see", for there is One in heaven who sees, and He knows the truth