America Is Done Pretending About Meat

I didn't post this thread. Someone else did. I did respond to it though, and that's what stirred up this hornet's nest.
Well there you go. You should not have responded to it or you should just stop responding to it. Right or wrong, the vast majority here do not see clear with your views on animals and food.

And I actually have no problem at all debating anyone who wants to debate. Until they continually show that they are incapable of being cool and having an actual discussion.

You and I got into a little spat earlier on this thread... when you got annoyed that I didn't debate you at that time (because it was in the middle of the afternoon and I had IRL stuff to do).... but later you chilled and we were able to have a discussion. Same with a few others on this thread. But not that guy.
Maybe if you butter yourself, sprinkle a little parmesan around and roll yourself in a flatbread, he will like you? :smoke: But I appreciate that your motivations are with good intentions.
 
Well, to be sure, the Bible is not a literal text. In 1400 BC roughly when someone composed the book Genesis, they did not literally mean the universe took six of our days, they mean six time units of an indeterminate length. At that time, the world did not even have a uniform calendar to go by to even agree on the dates.

That said, does the Bible not say we are given dominion over all creatures on the Earth, and is it not replete with stories of sacrificing lambs, goats and other things? Not that it matters. It is no skin off my nose how or what you eat.


Some would tell you they take care of the deer and other animals by culling their excess, so that those that remain don't starve in the winter.

I take the bible differently than you. But that's OK. That's actually a whole other discussion. Maybe one we can have another time and place.

And yes, we were given dominion. But the whole idea of dominion has been massively misunderstood by most Christians, I truly believe that.

God is our example. God is selfless. I mean, look at Jesus, he laid down His life for us, out of love.

So God wants US (well, at least those who follow God, but I think He also wants mankind in general to do this) to take care of the animals in the way that HE intended, which we know from His original and ultimate design. And that is with love, mercy, and living in peace and harmony. Just like in the pre-fall world (Eden) which was God's intent, and like it will be again, according to the Bible, when Jesus returns.

Here's a picture of that future... the new Earth:

The wolf will live with the lamb,
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,
and a child will lead them.
The cow and the bear will graze,
their young ones will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
An infant will play beside the cobra’s pit,
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake’s den.
None will harm or destroy another
on My entire holy mountain,
for the land will be as full
of the knowledge of the Lord
as the sea is filled with water.

Isaiah 11:6-9

And here's a little reel I made about that passage:

(It doesn't embed properly here, so it's best to watch it full screen)

 
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Well, to be sure, the Bible is not a literal text. In 1400 BC roughly when someone composed the book Genesis, they did not literally mean the universe took six of our days, they mean six time units of an indeterminate length
No, that's not at all what it means. There is a HUGE time gap between verse 1&2.
Verse 2 is AFTER an unrecorded event destroyed life on earth and God was REBUILDING the earth. Most believe it is talking about the spiritual WAR Satan and his demons launched against God in his attempt to take heaven. Satan (Lucifer) was king on earth before his rebellion
 
It is not a matter of my wanting to hear anything. I'm like Sargent Joe Friday, I'm just after the facts, Mam.
I'm still waiting for the first one. The fact that you like vegan lifestyle over being a omnivore is the only fact that I've seen you present.
Wow. Right after I told you clearly, at least 3 times, that I don't want to keep talking to you.
Yet here you are. BTW, if you don't want to speak to me because I disagree with your posts, Why, pray tell, did you attack my post #4 with a "fake news" response when you know no nothing of the EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD. That's right--you were trying to troll your vegan belief. So now, take your own advice and quit trying to do a root canal ON ME. You can say you're not a democrat until the COWS come home, but you certainly play the part well. Now take your insulting remarks and run on down the road.
 
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Please point out where I told you what to eat.

I'll wait.
Starting on Post #4 when you decided to troll me and this thread. You hijacked a thread that you didn't agree with to promote your blog and your veganism and religion because you DISAGREED with the premise of the thread. Your attempts to distance yourself from the obvious are very clear.
 
Wow. Right after I told you clearly, at least 3 times, that I don't want to keep talking to you.
Listen, I didn't hunt you up--you responded to my post. I respond to people who respond to me. You do not own this thread. You're not the OP. You have trolled me not vice versa. If you don't want to talk to me, quit trying to insult me with your responses to MY post. Now quit acting like a petulant child because MOST folks on the obviously-titled thread are NOT vegan. You're trolling.
 
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Listen, I didn't hunt you up--you responded to my post. I respond to people who respond to me. You do not own this thread. You're not the OP. You have trolled me not vice versa. If you don't want to talk to me, quit trying to insult me with your responses to MY post. Now quit acting like a petulant child because MOST folks on the obviously-titled thread are NOT vegan. You're trolling.
never noticed this big baby side of you.
The fact is you don't want to hear opinions that differ from your own.
She showed you th difference between human teeth and those of true carnivores, and I showed you the difference between the human digestive system and that of carnivores. Then you were shown what God INTENDED for humans to eat.

You reject it all. You do this because change is hard so you try to bully others into not presenting facts. You forget you're on a public messageboard where others are allowed to express opinions too. That is not trolling, it is CONVERSATION. GTFU
 
never noticed this big baby side of you.
You've never seen an obvious troll falsely accuse me of being "nasty" when it is clear to anyone who is paying attention that the only nastiness is from the troll. Is she your sock? LOL
The fact is you don't want to hear opinions that differ from your own.
Sure that i why, for the umpteenth time, I am telling you AND HER, that I really don't care what you eat. Makes no difference to me. You both seem intent on trying to convince everyone on this thread that YOUR way is the only way--to the extent of changing word definitions and promoting your own interpretations of the bible over others. You both are trolling. Now if you'd like to return to the topic of the thread instead of trolling me because I state an opinion differing from yours, please continue. That is the purpose of the thread.
You reject it all. You do this because change is hard so you try to bully others into not presenting facts.
I certainly do. You are entitled to your opinion. I am also entitled to mine. Your opinion is not fact and posting photos with your own misleading interpretations doesn't change that fact. Redefining common words doesn't either. BTW, I did not bully anyone. I've never noticed this big baby side of you--does that sound like bullying? Yes? Then stop doing it. Your hypocrisy is showing.
You forget you're on a public messageboard where others are allowed to express opinions too. That is not trolling, it is CONVERSATION. GTFU
Yes, as you are. So why are you trying to silence my opinion. Am I not entitled to express it in your view? You are trolling. I have been conversing--you, as exhibited by this very post, are trolling. LMAO, and your inept command to get out is dismissed. I really didn't expect this type of liberal garbage from you.
 
As of now, I don't completely buy all the alarmism about seed oils.

This video is one of the reasons why I haven't jumped on that bandwagon...


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Well there you go. You should not have responded to it or you should just stop responding to it. Right or wrong, the vast majority here do not see clear with your views on animals and food
If you were on a forum that has a majority of pro-aborts, would you tell a prolife member of that forum to just keep her damn mouth shut because "most" don't want to hear her opinion?

Honestly, sometimes you people are not what I thought you were. But I know what's behind your hatred of the truth

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Did you watch the video about seed oils that I posted the other day? It's very thorough and goes through all the data. After watching that, I'm leaning towards thinking that the whole seed oils thing is overhyped. I wouldn't be surprised if the hype was started by some competing industry in order to sell their own products.

Don't get me wrong. I think the healthy thing to do is limit (or eliminate) all oils, because too much oil in one's diet is not good. But seed oils have been around for millennia. So for the reasons I already stated, as of now I just don't buy the alarmism.

I've learned that the "food" industries (I put that in quotes because I'm mostly talking about meat and dairy) are underhanded, and they will fund "studies" in order to promote their own products... which a lot of people fall for, unfortunately. You gotta be careful about industry-funded studies.


Edited to add: I just read the tweet you posted more closely. Ah! Now, based on what that guy said, my guess appears to be right.

It was this part that stood out:

"By the 1980s, seed oils had fully replaced animal fats in most households and restaurants."​

^ Yep. Now I'm leaning MORE towards thinking this yet another example of industry-funded "studies" put out there to shut down competition and sell their own products.

In this case, animal fats.

Which ironically is one of the WORST things one can do.... I mean, unless one wants to die prematurely of a heart attack due to years of clogged arteries. :rolleyes:
 
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Did you watch the video about seed oils that I posted the other day? It's very thorough and goes through all the data. After watching that, I'm leaning towards thinking that the whole seed oils thing is overhyped. I wouldn't be surprised if the hype was started by some competing industry in order to sell their own products.

Don't get me wrong. I think the healthy thing to do is limit (or eliminate) all oils, because too much oil in one's diet is not good. But seed oils have been around for millennia. So for the reasons I already stated, as of now I just don't buy the alarmism.

I've learned that the "food" industries (I put that in quotes because I'm mostly talking about meat and dairy) are underhanded, and they will fund "studies" in order to promote their own products... which a lot of people fall for, unfortunately. You gotta be careful about industry-funded studies.
This is one "conspiracy" I agree with. I eat a ton of natural fats everyday through nuts and seeds. Food fads come and go but the natural products we've eaten for thousands of years will always be the best things to eat.

And, despite all these fats, my weight is always stable. It fluctuates maybe 2 pounds, and I really don't watch what I eat or count calories
 
Did you watch the video about seed oils that I posted the other day? It's very thorough and goes through all the data. After watching that, I'm leaning towards thinking that the whole seed oils thing is overhyped. I wouldn't be surprised if the hype was started by some competing industry in order to sell their own products.

Don't get me wrong. I think the healthy thing to do is limit (or eliminate) all oils, because too much oil in one's diet is not good. But seed oils have been around for millennia. So for the reasons I already stated, as of now I just don't buy the alarmism.

I've learned that the "food" industries (I put that in quotes because I'm mostly talking about meat and dairy) are underhanded, and they will fund "studies" in order to promote their own products... which a lot of people fall for, unfortunately. You gotta be careful about industry-funded studies.


Edited to add: I just read the tweet you posted more closely. Ah! Now, based on what that guy said, my guess appears to be right.

It was this part that stood out:

"By the 1980s, seed oils had fully replaced animal fats in most households and restaurants."​

^ Yep. Now I'm leaning MORE towards thinking this yet another example of industry-funded "studies" put out there to shut down competition and sell their own products.

In this case, animal fats.

Which ironically is one of the WORST things one can do.... I mean, unless one wants to die prematurely of a heart attack due to years of clogged arteries. :rolleyes:
And then there is this. I anxiously await the cries that I am not responding kindly enough for your two, but here it is. Again, I am not condemning you for your diet choices. Please afford me the same courtesy.

Only after the Fall did sin enter the world, and then everything changed. After the flood, God told Noah:

“The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you.” (Genesis 9:2-3)
 
This is one "conspiracy" I agree with. I eat a ton of natural fats everyday through nuts and seeds. Food fads come and go but the natural products we've eaten for thousands of years will always be the best things to eat

Yeah, I didn't know before that stuff like that happened. But in recent years when I started looking into the studies out there, I heard from some well-known and respected doctors who I trust that you have to be careful about studies because nearly all the lies or misleading info out there is based on industry-funded "studies."

What's interesting is Dairy has been dying for years, but the government subsidizes it (which goes against the free market)... and with the growing popularity of plant-based milk (like almond milk, etc) I think they (the Dairy industry) has probably been doing that sort of underhanded thing, to try to retain their business.

As a matter of fact... I wouldn't be surprised if the "Keto" diet and the "carnivore" diet trend wasn't started by the meat industry.

People are SO quick to jump on bandwagons. But ESPECIALLY when it's what their itching ears want to hear.

Nobody wants to hear "broccoli is good for you"..... People want to hear "bacon is good for you."

And as you know, some people give more importance to what they desire than what is actually true.
 
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As a matter of fact... I wouldn't be surprised if the "Keto" diet and the "carnivore" diet trend wasn't started by the meat industry
Absolutely. And, while broccoli isn't among my top 50 foods, per calorie, broccoli has more protein than beef (cow muscle). Pumpkin seeds, have twice the protein of beef. But there's no industry behind these things to brainwash people like "meat" and dairy

The fact is, you will never get fat eating natural "God Food". Our modern "foods" are prepared to keep you eating while providing minimal nutrition
 
Absolutely. And, while broccoli isn't among my top 50 foods, per calorie, broccoli has more protein than beef (cow muscle). Pumpkin seeds, have twice the protein of beef. But there's no industry behind these things to brainwash people like "meat" and dairy

The fact is, you will never get fat eating natural "God Food". Our modern "foods" are prepared to keep you eating while providing minimal nutrition
LOL, I've been eating good, healthy meats all of my advanced years and my BMI is 26--where it has been for at least 40 years. I hope you don't consider this bullying because it is contrary to your post and no, I haven't been brainwashed by any industry. SMH
 
LOL, I've been eating good, healthy meats all of my advanced years and my BMI is 26--where it has been for at least 40 years. I hope you don't consider this bullying because it is contrary to your post and no, I haven't been brainwashed by any industry. SMH
Yeah. Me too. My BMI was last measured about 8 years ago and it was around 24 IIRC.

What's interesting is Japan has excellent records of the lives of Buddhist monks going back over 2000 years.

The average lifespan for a vegetarian monk was 34. If they added a single egg to their diet it increased to 51. That's pretty remarkable.
 
Yeah, right.

That must be why the world's Blue Zones eat a predominantly plant-based diet.

And why tons of studies over a long period of time have shown that eating a diet high in red meat and processed meats is associated with higher mortality rates.

And why so many folks who eat a ton of meat end up dying young of a heart attack. Heck, my brother-in-law had a major heart attack not too long ago, and he was a huge meat eater. His heart doctor told him to change his diet and stop eating red meat. But according to some here, his doctor was wrong. Never mind the clogged arteries, nothing to see here! :lol:

That reminds me of this quote:

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Yeah, right.

That must be why the world's Blue Zones eat a predominantly plant-based diet.

And why tons of studies over a long period of time have shown that eating a diet high in red meat and processed meats is associated with higher mortality rates.

And why so many folks who eat a ton of meat end up dying young of a heart attack. Heck, my brother-in-law had a major heart attack not too long ago, and he was a huge meat eater. His heart doctor told him to change his diet and stop eating red meat. But according to some here, his doctor was wrong. Never mind the clogged arteries, nothing to see here! :lol:

That reminds me of this quote:

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Ummmm....he doesn't look very healthy to me.
 

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