Should Trump go to jail for mishandling classified information?

[rightwinger]

Funny how you waited this long to post that convenient bit of info.
Everyone who specializes in this field of law says you're FOS.

I have always claimed to work for DoD for 40 years (mostly Army)
You are welcome to show where I claimed otherwise

 

[Indeependent]

I have always claimed to work for DoD for 40 years (mostly Army)
You are welcome to show where I claimed otherwise

As an engineer.
I know Federal engineers who don't have clearance to anything not related to their immediate function.
Give us a break!

 

[rightwinger]

As an engineer.
I know Federal engineers who don't have clearance to anything not related to their immediate function.
Give us a break!

All clearance is “Need to know”

 

[Indeependent]

All clearance is “Need to know”

Which means you know dick about this particular case.

 

[rightwinger]

Which means you know dick about this particular case.

Never said I did

But I do know how documents are classified and how classified information needs to be controlled

Enough to know that the claims of Trump and the RW media are laughably incorrect

 

[Indeependent]

Never said I did

But I do know how documents are classified and how classified information needs to be controlled

Enough to know that the claims of Trump and the RW media are laughably incorrect

Which is why every attorney on social media who specializes in this says you're full of shit.

 

[rightwinger]

Which is why every attorney on social media who specializes in this says you're full of shit.

OK
Show me one

I will wait

 

[Indeependent]

OK
Show me one

I will wait

Go look yourself, you lazy piece of shit.
You think I actually give a damn about your postings? You're a joke.
I know what will happen to you if you go to a non-LibTard site.

 

[rightwinger]

Go look yourself, you lazy piece of shit.
You think I actually give a damn about your postings? You're a joke.
I know what will happen to you if you go to a non-LibTard site.

Winner, winner Chicken Dinner!

I call your bluff and you say…..Go find it yourself

 

[WEATHER53]

Funny how you waited this long to post that convenient bit of info.
Everyone who specializes in this field of law says you're FOS.

It’s a riot that this lying **** suddenly now reveals this bullshit

 

[Rigby5]

All access for the president ends when their term does. If their knowledge is required at a time after their presidency ends, they are "read in", meaning they are given a temporary classified access that is only valid for the time their knowledge is required. And no, you can't "wipe someone's memory", but you CAN have them sign an NDA which says they won't talk about anything they know about that is classified or they will become liable to criminal prosecution. And those NDA's happen all the time for when a person leaves a job where a clearance was required. For the military, the NDA is written for 10 years after they leave the job or the service.

Wrong.
Ex-presidents do NOT sign NDAs, never have, and still represent the people who voted them in.
It is those people who votes who have the authority over classified docs, so that can never end.
When you join the military and are given temporary classified access by government.
When a president is above all classified legislation by virtue of being elected directly by the people, that can never end.
Presidents do not gain authority from the government, but from the people, so are totally above government.

 

[Rigby5]

Not only would a blanket rule be mind boggling for the classification system and open this country up to all sorts of problems, but it would also negate the requirement for a president to have a SCIF in their house or traveling with them, as it would all be unclassified.

But, such is the nature of Trump and his followers, they cherry pick what they want to be true, and leave the rest off as useless information, even though it is a very integral part of the system. They only pay attention to the fact that the president can declassify things, and leave off the rest of the process as being unnecessary.

Wrong.
You are looking at this entirely backwards.
You are looking at it from the perspective of how you would get something unclassified for just any individual.
But that is not at all what is the case.
The case with a president is they are totally above any sort of congressional or military classification system.
They are immune to it, above it, and have total and complete discretion over it.

Presidents who have a SCIF do so because they want to, not because they have to.
They do not have to do anything concerning classified docs.

 

[Rigby5]

Trump is only a victim of his own behavior. To put it in terms YOU will understand: consider a child who has never been told "no" and never had face consequences for his own behavior.

However, in the case of presidents and classified docs, they really ARE without any restrictions.
There is no one authorized to be above them in any way, shape, or form.
And this is still true after office, since they still represent those who voted for them, and they still retain knowledge concerning those docs.

 

[Rigby5]

It was not his

Once Trump takes possession of classified information, it becomes his responsibility to protect it

And protecting it can include shipping it to Mar-a-lago if under his discretion, that seems best.
The only argument against that which could be made is that Mar-a-lago would not satisfy FOIA.
I would have to know more about the individual docs, and I doubt that is ever going to happen.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong.
Ex-presidents do NOT sign NDAs, never have, and still represent the people who voted them in.
It is those people who votes who have the authority over classified docs, so that can never end.
When you join the military and are given temporary classified access by government.
When a president is above all classified legislation by virtue of being elected directly by the people, that can never end.
Presidents do not gain authority from the government, but from the people, so are totally above government.

Biden has the ultimate authority

He has denied Trump access to Classified information

 

[rightwinger]

And protecting it can include shipping it to Mar-a-lago if under his discretion, that seems best.
The only argument against that which could be made is that Mar-a-lago would not satisfy FOIA.
I would have to know more about the individual docs, and I doubt that is ever going to happen.

Once at Mara Lago, that means locking it in an approved safe, not in his desk drawer

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong.
Ex-presidents do NOT sign NDAs, never have, and still represent the people who voted them in.
It is those people who votes who have the authority over classified docs, so that can never end.
When you join the military and are given temporary classified access by government.
When a president is above all classified legislation by virtue of being elected directly by the people, that can never end.
Presidents do not gain authority from the government, but from the people, so are totally above government.

First off, ex-presidents are ordinary citizens. Anything they gained by the power of their office, ends when they leave that office. The only things an ex-president gets to keep, are the things he walked into the white house with.
Everything else is transferred to the sitting president.

 

[Rigby5]

Has nothing to do with Trumps claims that he gave blanket declassification orders for all documents he holds

Even his own staff laughed when asked if he gave such an order

Everything is automatically "declassified" whenever it involves a president or his trusted aids.
But that does not mean it is legally "declassified" for anyone else, so it just sounds like Trump used poor language.
Mar-a-lago likely have better security than the White House, so these was no violation of any classified doc legislation.
The only question is FOIA?
Trump should have eventually have gotten everything that was not personal, to NARA?
Not clear if he intended to or not?

 

[rightwinger]

Everything is automatically "declassified" whenever it involves a president or his trusted aids.
But that does not mean it is legally "declassified" for anyone else, so it just sounds like Trump used poor language.
Mar-a-lago likely have better security than the White House, so these was no violation of any classified doc legislation.
The only question is FOIA?
Trump should have eventually have gotten everything that was not personal, to NARA?
Not clear if he intended to or not?

nope

But nice try

 

[Rigby5]

Once at Mara Lago, that means locking it in an approved safe, not in his desk drawer

They were not in safes at the White House either, and Mar-a-lago likely has higher security.