Should President Obama Suspend Military Aide to Israel?

[Oldstyle]

Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 when it launched an unprovoked airstrike on Egypt. The UN immediately called for Israel to leave the occupied territories in accordance with international law. Today there are half-a-million kosher squatters on the West Bank, and Jews remain in effective control of Gaza. Israel wants all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan for Jews ONLY and that's the only problem.

It was hardly unprovoked. Egypt was preparing to strike.
What difference does it make how many Israeli citizens live in Israel or any part of it?
If Israel wanted Gaza, it could have just stayed. They actually withdrew from Gaza, a fact you fail to grasp.

Egypt was not preparing to strike.
Jews stole the rest of Palestine they were prevented from grabbing in '48.
Israel withdrew its troops and squatters from Gaza and remains in control of all borders, airspace, coastal waters. electromagnetic sphere, and population registry.
Why do they prohibit exports from Gaza if not for collective punishment purposes?

If you knew your Middle East history and specifically the history of the Six Day War...you'd know that Israel did not attack either Jordan or Syria in the early stages of the war...concentrating the bulk of the IDF to fight against the Egyptians in the Sinai. Ironically, the reason that both Jordan and Syria decided to enter the war and attack Israel is that Egypt's Nasser lied to the leaders of both countries and told them that Egyptian troops were defeating Israel in their conflict, when the opposite was true. Egypt was in full retreat by that point and Israel was able to bring troops from the Sinai back to fight against the Jordanians and the Syrians.

 

[Oldstyle]

Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 when it launched an unprovoked airstrike on Egypt. The UN immediately called for Israel to leave the occupied territories in accordance with international law. Today there are half-a-million kosher squatters on the West Bank, and Jews remain in effective control of Gaza. Israel wants all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan for Jews ONLY and that's the only problem.

Unprovoked? Israel was responding to Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping and massing of Egyptian, Jordanian and Iraqi troops on it's borders. Egypt had ordered the UN peacekeeping force in the Sinai to leave. Hardly unprovoked...

Israel struck first in a conflict they won in six days.
Those Arab troops were massing to prevent another al-Nakba, and Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran because it remembered Israeli aggression in the Suez during '56. Zionists have never hidden their intention to rule all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river, and some of them want a Greater Israel that reaches from the Nile to the Euphrates. It may sound comical in this country, but there were few Arabs laughing at the prospect 47 years ago.

OK...if Egypt was REALLY concerned about Israeli "aggression" then kindly explain why they asked the UN peacekeepers deployed in the Sinai between Egypt and Israel to leave?

 

[Oldstyle]

And then take a crack at explaining why the Egyptians removed UN peacekeepers from their positions at the Straits of Tiron...and then closed down the straits to Israeli shipping even though by international law and agreements signed with Israel that waterway was considered an international way!

 

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AmericanFirst, AvgGuyIA, bendog, deltex1, Dreadnaught1968, eagle7_31, longknife, Mojo2, NLT, OKTexas, OriginalShroom, RetiredGySgt, Rozman, The Rabbi

None of these people are fiscal conservatives, if any claim to be so, feel free to call them liars, since this vote makes it clear that they would be lying.

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

When in doubt cry racist!!

2Billion are year is 2 billion more that we have since we are trillions in the hole

Is math hard? Do you not get that we shouldn't be giving away money we don't have?

But please, keep hiding behind the assumption that I'm a racist, it's ******* funny

 

[Two Thumbs]

AmericanFirst, AvgGuyIA, bendog, deltex1, Dreadnaught1968, eagle7_31, longknife, Mojo2, NLT, OKTexas, OriginalShroom, RetiredGySgt, Rozman, The Rabbi

None of these people are fiscal conservatives, if any claim to be so, feel free to call them liars, since this vote makes it clear that they would be lying.

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

CONservatives oppose welfarism ONLY when the money goes to an entity other than the Jewish State.

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Crack is whack and not cons don't group think like liberals

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Deflection noted.
You've gotten your ass nicely spanked here. It doesnt matter what most people would agree. Most people agreed Obama was the best candidate for president. Most people agree Dancing with Stars is more important than foreign policy. It is a fallacy.
Rabbi Rules!

You have ignored the question of why Israel with a booming economy needs to get all that money. Why?

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

You never asked that question.
Spank number, what is it now?

So first you tried to say it was making Israel rich. I pointed out Israel's GDP far dwarfed the $3B given.

The question is raised in the article. I did not need to ask it.

And of course, $3 billion each year means nothing to Israel and is a drop in the bucket.

 

[SAYIT]

Sounds like it might be a good time for Israel to lift its illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza before the world decides to stop doing business with Jews who want all the land between the River and the sea for themselves?

The only reason that Israel is even in those territories is that they were taken in wars that took place when their Arab neighbors attacked them. Generally speaking when you attack someone and subsequently lose the war that YOU started it's considered bad form to piss and moan about lands you lost during the conflict. Israel COULD be living peacefully behind the pre 1967 borders if it's Arab neighbors hadn't decided to attack them.

Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 when it launched an unprovoked airstrike on Egypt. The UN immediately called for Israel to leave the occupied territories in accordance with international law. Today there are half-a-million kosher squatters on the West Bank, and Jews remain in effective control of Gaza. Israel wants all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan for Jews ONLY and that's the only problem.

Absolute camel crap, my little Hamas wind-up toy.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Bush92]

Provide more weapons to Israel.

 

[SAYIT]

Here's a few stats in case anyone cares.

51 people responded to the poll. Out of those numbers, 12 people self-identified as liberal, 15 self-identified as moderate, and 22 self-identified as conservative.

58.3% of liberals voted yes.
41.7% voted no.

20% of moderates voted yes.
80% voted no.

27.3% of conservatives voted yes.
72.7% voted no.

2 people chose Don't know/unsure

Edit to add: Since there's about 50 respondents, the easiest way to figure the overall percentage of votes is to just add the numbers and double them to reach a percentage.

About 1/3 voted yes
About 2/3 voted no

Now at about 60 votes the stop funding Israel vote is about 27% while the continue funding Israel vote is about 70% which, I believe, is about Israel's American Gallup poll approval rating. This is about the most subscribed poll post I have seen in my 30 months here. Congrats.

 

[MikeK]

A better question is why does the U.S. continue to give Israel more than $3 billion every year? What do we get in return?

 

[SAYIT]

A better question is why does the U.S. continue to give Israel more than $3 billion every year? What do we get in return?

Perhaps because it's what Americans want to do but if you were really interested you would try GOOGLE rather than post your ignorance.

 

[JWBooth]

Provide more weapons to Israel.

Stop providing weapons to Israel...
and everybody else as well.

 

[longknife]

A better question is why does the U.S. continue to give Israel more than $3 billion every year? What do we get in return?

We get effective protection from the ignorant rag heads who want to rule the world with the rules of their barbaric and inhumane cult.

 

[georgephillip]

The only reason that Israel is even in those territories is that they were taken in wars that took place when their Arab neighbors attacked them. Generally speaking when you attack someone and subsequently lose the war that YOU started it's considered bad form to piss and moan about lands you lost during the conflict. Israel COULD be living peacefully behind the pre 1967 borders if it's Arab neighbors hadn't decided to attack them.

Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 when it launched an unprovoked airstrike on Egypt. The UN immediately called for Israel to leave the occupied territories in accordance with international law. Today there are half-a-million kosher squatters on the West Bank, and Jews remain in effective control of Gaza. Israel wants all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan for Jews ONLY and that's the only problem.

Absolute camel crap, my little Hamas wind-up toy.

How many illegal squatters has Israel poured into the West Banks since '67?
If Jews don't want all the land between the River and the sea, why are they continuing to steal it, Golda?

 

[georgephillip]

A better question is why does the U.S. continue to give Israel more than $3 billion every year? What do we get in return?

A "choice" between Democrat OR Republican in our voting booths?

 

[SAYIT]

Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 when it launched an unprovoked airstrike on Egypt. The UN immediately called for Israel to leave the occupied territories in accordance with international law. Today there are half-a-million kosher squatters on the West Bank, and Jews remain in effective control of Gaza. Israel wants all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan for Jews ONLY and that's the only problem.

Absolute camel crap, my little Hamas wind-up toy.

How many illegal squatters has Israel poured into the West Banks since '67?
If Jews don't want all the land between the River and the sea, why are they continuing to steal it, Golda?

There were no Israelis in the disputed territories until 1972. The Arabs had 5 full years after their 6 Day Humiliation to make a deal.
They weren't interested in peace then and they aren't now.
They are interested in Israel.
That land has not been stolen nor is it part of Israel ... yet. Maybe you guys should get off your camels, change outta those bomb-belts and make a deal before there's nothing left.

 

[georgephillip]

Absolute camel crap, my little Hamas wind-up toy.

How many illegal squatters has Israel poured into the West Banks since '67?
If Jews don't want all the land between the River and the sea, why are they continuing to steal it, Golda?

There were no Israelis in the disputed territories until 1972. The Arabs had 5 full years after their 6 Day Humiliation to make a deal.
They weren't interested in peace then and they aren't now.
They are interested in Israel.
That land has not been stolen nor is it part of Israel ... yet. Maybe you guys should get off your camels, change outta those bomb-belts and make a deal before there nothing left.

The Arabs want Jews to stop stealing their land and water and using their kids for target practice.

There were a few hundred Jews on the West Bank in 1967, and there are over 500,000 illegal kosher squatters squatting there today.

Sounds to me like Jews want all the land between the River and the sea, and they don't care how many crimes they have to commit to get it.

 

[Mustang]

You have ignored the question of why Israel with a booming economy needs to get all that money. Why?

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

We need to stop paying people to like us. All people, including the Jews.

OK, thats a reasonable position. I think it's wrong, but not unreasonable.
We dont pay people to like us. We pay people to gain influence over them. We also pay them to help achieve US interests, like defeating terrorism, or the USSR, or containing China. All worthy goals.

Then, of course, there's the fact that Israel has one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful, foreign lobbying arms in Washington DC. US Congressmen trip over each other to show their unwavering support for Israel and Israeli interests. When you add the conservative Christian lobby to the mix, there's probably not much that Israel could ask for that wouldn't get serious consideration in the halls of Congress.

 

[SAYIT]

How many illegal squatters has Israel poured into the West Banks since '67?
If Jews don't want all the land between the River and the sea, why are they continuing to steal it, Golda?

There were no Israelis in the disputed territories until 1972. The Arabs had 5 full years after their 6 Day Humiliation to make a deal.
They weren't interested in peace then and they aren't now.
They are interested in Israel.
That land has not been stolen nor is it part of Israel ... yet. Maybe you guys should get off your camels, change outta those bomb-belts and make a deal before there nothing left.

The Arabs want Jews to stop stealing their land and water and using their kids for target practice.

There were a few hundred Jews on the West Bank in 1967, and there are over 500,000 illegal kosher squatters squatting there today.

Sounds to me like Jews want all the land between the River and the sea, and they don't care how many crimes they have to commit to get it.

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.