Should President Obama Suspend Military Aide to Israel?

[AmericanFirst]

We need to stop paying people to like us. All people, including the Jews.

OK, thats a reasonable position. I think it's wrong, but not unreasonable.
We dont pay people to like us. We pay people to gain influence over them. We also pay them to help achieve US interests, like defeating terrorism, or the USSR, or containing China. All worthy goals.

Then, of course, there's the fact that Israel has one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful, foreign lobbying arms in Washington DC. US Congressmen trip over each other to show their unwavering support for Israel and Israeli interests. When you add the conservative Christian lobby to the mix, there's probably not much that Israel could ask for that wouldn't get serious consideration in the halls of Congress.

Good. Better than the left whoring with commies.

 

[Mustang]

OK, thats a reasonable position. I think it's wrong, but not unreasonable.
We dont pay people to like us. We pay people to gain influence over them. We also pay them to help achieve US interests, like defeating terrorism, or the USSR, or containing China. All worthy goals.

Then, of course, there's the fact that Israel has one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful, foreign lobbying arms in Washington DC. US Congressmen trip over each other to show their unwavering support for Israel and Israeli interests. When you add the conservative Christian lobby to the mix, there's probably not much that Israel could ask for that wouldn't get serious consideration in the halls of Congress.

Good. Better than the left whoring with commies.

You sound JUST like a fascist.

 

[georgephillip]

There were no Israelis in the disputed territories until 1972. The Arabs had 5 full years after their 6 Day Humiliation to make a deal.
They weren't interested in peace then and they aren't now.
They are interested in Israel.
That land has not been stolen nor is it part of Israel ... yet. Maybe you guys should get off your camels, change outta those bomb-belts and make a deal before there nothing left.

The Arabs want Jews to stop stealing their land and water and using their kids for target practice.

There were a few hundred Jews on the West Bank in 1967, and there are over 500,000 illegal kosher squatters squatting there today.

Sounds to me like Jews want all the land between the River and the sea, and they don't care how many crimes they have to commit to get it.

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.
How about ending collective punishment of Palestinians?
Are your people planning to give up on house demolitions in order to steal more Arab land anytime soon?
Jews began the incremental genocide in 1948 and all you have to show for it today is equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea.
What's the next big plan, Golda?
Transfer?

 

[Peach]

Here's a few stats in case anyone cares.

51 people responded to the poll. Out of those numbers, 12 people self-identified as liberal, 15 self-identified as moderate, and 22 self-identified as conservative.

58.3% of liberals voted yes.
41.7% voted no.

20% of moderates voted yes.
80% voted no.

27.3% of conservatives voted yes.
72.7% voted no.

2 people chose Don't know/unsure

Edit to add: Since there's about 50 respondents, the easiest way to figure the overall percentage of votes is to just add the numbers and double them to reach a percentage.

About 1/3 voted yes
About 2/3 voted no

Now at about 60 votes the stop funding Israel vote is about 27% while the continue funding Israel vote is about 70% which, I believe, is about Israel's American Gallup poll approval rating. This is about the most subscribed poll post I have seen in my 30 months here. Congrats.

Yes, Israel is an important US ally.

 

[skookerasbil]

The Arabs want Jews to stop stealing their land and water and using their kids for target practice.

There were a few hundred Jews on the West Bank in 1967, and there are over 500,000 illegal kosher squatters squatting there today.

Sounds to me like Jews want all the land between the River and the sea, and they don't care how many crimes they have to commit to get it.

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.
How about ending collective punishment of Palestinians?
Are your people planning to give up on house demolitions in order to steal more Arab land anytime soon?
Jews began the incremental genocide in 1948 and all you have to show for it today is equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea.
What's the next big plan, Golda?
Transfer?

Dang s0n......you waste so much time typing drivel. Like most people with extreme fringe views, you knock yourself out daily advocating for shit that so few concur with!! So......what? Explain this to us!!


Poll: Twice As Many Americans Blame Hamas For Gaza Violence Than Israel « CBS DC


Your shit is the equivalent of somebody walking stark naked down Pennsylvania Avenue in DC shaking a banana at people and saying the apocalypse is at hand!! Not even an embellishment s0n........

 

[georgephillip]

"JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Some Israeli ground forces withdrew from the Gaza Strip on Saturday, two Israeli television stations reported, after the military said it was close to achieving its main war goal of destroying Hamas cross-border tunnels.

"Asked about the reports, an Israeli military spokesman said she could not comment on troop deployments."

Some Israeli ground forces withdraw from Gaza: TV

 

[georgephillip]

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.
How about ending collective punishment of Palestinians?
Are your people planning to give up on house demolitions in order to steal more Arab land anytime soon?
Jews began the incremental genocide in 1948 and all you have to show for it today is equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea.
What's the next big plan, Golda?
Transfer?

Dang s0n......you waste so much time typing drivel. Like most people with extreme fringe views, you knock yourself out daily advocating for shit that so few concur with!! So......what? Explain this to us!!


Poll: Twice As Many Americans Blame Hamas For Gaza Violence Than Israel « CBS DC


Your shit is the equivalent of somebody walking stark naked down Pennsylvania Avenue in DC shaking a banana at people and saying the apocalypse is at hand!! Not even an embellishment s0n........

Probably because most of those Americans get their news of Palestine from sources that always leave out the single most important word when explaining the violence there:

0ccupati0n!

(They don't want to be anti-Semitic)

 

[skookerasbil]

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.
How about ending collective punishment of Palestinians?
Are your people planning to give up on house demolitions in order to steal more Arab land anytime soon?
Jews began the incremental genocide in 1948 and all you have to show for it today is equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea.
What's the next big plan, Golda?
Transfer?

Dang s0n......you waste so much time typing drivel. Like most people with extreme fringe views, you knock yourself out daily advocating for shit that so few concur with!! So......what? Explain this to us!!


Poll: Twice As Many Americans Blame Hamas For Gaza Violence Than Israel « CBS DC


Your shit is the equivalent of somebody walking stark naked down Pennsylvania Avenue in DC shaking a banana at people and saying the apocalypse is at hand!! Not even an embellishment s0n........

Probably because most of those Americans get their news of Palestine from sources that always leave out the single most important word when explaining the violence there:

0ccupati0n!

(They don't want to be anti-Semitic)

Yeah.....but only a small % think that = lOsInG


Knock yourself out.......but people see photos like this >>>





......and laugh and clap!!! New spectator sport in Israel!! A new frontier in firework displays!!! Grab some cold ones and watch big stuff get blown to shit!!



Kool-Aid is gay.......

 

[SAYIT]

The Arabs want Jews to stop stealing their land and water and using their kids for target practice.

There were a few hundred Jews on the West Bank in 1967, and there are over 500,000 illegal kosher squatters squatting there today.

Sounds to me like Jews want all the land between the River and the sea, and they don't care how many crimes they have to commit to get it.

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.

Yeah, something you say often but never manage to support. If true Israel would have allowed expansion into Gaza rather than disengage in 2005. According to you Israel couldn't afford to control a few square miles of Gaza so how will she control "all the land between the River and the sea?" So far you have run away every time we reach this part of the discussion. Wazzup wit dat?

 

[SAYIT]

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.
How about ending collective punishment of Palestinians?
Are your people planning to give up on house demolitions in order to steal more Arab land anytime soon?
Jews began the incremental genocide in 1948 and all you have to show for it today is equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea.
What's the next big plan, Golda?
Transfer?

Dang s0n......you waste so much time typing drivel. Like most people with extreme fringe views, you knock yourself out daily advocating for shit that so few concur with!! So......what? Explain this to us!!


Poll: Twice As Many Americans Blame Hamas For Gaza Violence Than Israel « CBS DC


Your shit is the equivalent of somebody walking stark naked down Pennsylvania Avenue in DC shaking a banana at people and saying the apocalypse is at hand!! Not even an embellishment s0n........

Probably because most of those Americans get their news of Palestine from sources that always leave out the single most important word when explaining the violence there:

0ccupati0n!

(They don't want to be anti-Semitic)

Yeah, you losers always have a lame excuse for American support of Israel (and lack of same for Muslims). Perhaps it's time you let a bit of truth penetrate your (pin)head: Americans have watched your "No negotiation, No recognition, No Peace" routine for 47 years and are just sick of you.

 

[Bush92]

Israel was not the aggressor. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas dug the tunnels, Hamas uses women and children as human shields. Why should the USA support Hamas?

 

[The Rabbi]

We need to stop paying people to like us. All people, including the Jews.

OK, thats a reasonable position. I think it's wrong, but not unreasonable.
We dont pay people to like us. We pay people to gain influence over them. We also pay them to help achieve US interests, like defeating terrorism, or the USSR, or containing China. All worthy goals.

Then, of course, there's the fact that Israel has one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful, foreign lobbying arms in Washington DC. US Congressmen trip over each other to show their unwavering support for Israel and Israeli interests. When you add the conservative Christian lobby to the mix, there's probably not much that Israel could ask for that wouldn't get serious consideration in the halls of Congress.

Thats true. Was there a point there somewhere?

 

[The Rabbi]

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.

Yeah, something you say often but never manage to support. If true Israel would have allowed expansion into Gaza rather than disengage in 2005. According to you Israel couldn't afford to control a few square miles of Gaza so how will she control "all the land between the River and the sea?" So far you have run away every time we reach this part of the discussion. Wazzup wit dat?

GeorgePhilip is the Joe of the middle east discussions. Juts like Joe never deals in facts, only narrative, so too George. He'll simply repeat the same crap "Jews want to occupy all the land" and is impervious to evidence it is simply not true. That makes him a dumbshit.

 

[Peach]

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.

Yeah, something you say often but never manage to support. If true Israel would have allowed expansion into Gaza rather than disengage in 2005. According to you Israel couldn't afford to control a few square miles of Gaza so how will she control "all the land between the River and the sea?" So far you have run away every time we reach this part of the discussion. Wazzup wit dat?

Israel was not the aggressor. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas dug the tunnels, Hamas uses women and children as human shields. Why should the USA support Hamas?

OK, thats a reasonable position. I think it's wrong, but not unreasonable.
We dont pay people to like us. We pay people to gain influence over them. We also pay them to help achieve US interests, like defeating terrorism, or the USSR, or containing China. All worthy goals.

Then, of course, there's the fact that Israel has one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful, foreign lobbying arms in Washington DC. US Congressmen trip over each other to show their unwavering support for Israel and Israeli interests. When you add the conservative Christian lobby to the mix, there's probably not much that Israel could ask for that wouldn't get serious consideration in the halls of Congress.

Thats true. Was there a point there somewhere?

I'd say there multinational corporations with a stronger voice, i.e., deeper pockets. Nothing alters the Hamas resolve to continue attacking, and send photos of dead civilians worldwide. Even an infant was used as a photo opportunity, which leads me to see Hamas as barbaric.

 

[georgephillip]

The Israelis want the Muslims to cut the crap and make a realistic compromise for peace but the Muslims - just as in 1948 and every day since - aren't interested in peace.

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.

Yeah, something you say often but never manage to support. If true Israel would have allowed expansion into Gaza rather than disengage in 2005. According to you Israel couldn't afford to control a few square miles of Gaza so how will she control "all the land between the River and the sea?" So far you have run away every time we reach this part of the discussion. Wazzup wit dat?

Have you missed the part about transferring non Jews outside of Greater Israel?

 

[The Rabbi]

How "realistic?"
Right of Return realistic??
Jews prove by their actions they want all the land between the River and the sea, and they're willing to kill as many Arabs as necessary to obtain it.

Yeah, something you say often but never manage to support. If true Israel would have allowed expansion into Gaza rather than disengage in 2005. According to you Israel couldn't afford to control a few square miles of Gaza so how will she control "all the land between the River and the sea?" So far you have run away every time we reach this part of the discussion. Wazzup wit dat?

Have you missed the part about transferring non Jews outside of Greater Israel?

WHen did Israel ever transfer non jews outside of greater israel? You understand that Christians and Moslems are citizens of the state, right? They have the same rights as anyone else. You do know that, right?

 

[Contumacious]

Israel was not the aggressor. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas dug the tunnels, Hamas uses women and children as human shields. Why should the USA support Hamas?

1- Because Palestine belongs to the Palestinians

2- Because the Zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 determined to create a jewish State and disappear the Palestinians by any means necessary.

.

 

[The Rabbi]

Israel was not the aggressor. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas dug the tunnels, Hamas uses women and children as human shields. Why should the USA support Hamas?

1- Because Palestine belongs to the Palestinians

2- Because the Zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 determined to create a jewish State and disappear the Palestinians by any means necessary.

.

You're a jew hating ignorant asshole. We get that. No point in posting more of the same, dumbshit.

 

[flacaltenn]

Cant' afford to COMPLETELY cut off military sales to Israel unless we want to buying ISRAELI made smart weapons and systems in a decade. One of the reasons we discount to them is to deter them from building their own and going into international competition..

We should sell to them, possibly even with loans, and credits. And have arrangements for sharing intelligience and treaties. Just like we do for other allies. But continuous straight AID and subsidies SHOULD be cut.. Not suspended as the OP reads. A better consistent on-going policy would be good.
Not one that fluctuates with Current Events.

 

[FA_Q2]

A better question is why does the U.S. continue to give Israel more than $3 billion every year? What do we get in return?

We get a nation that is the prime target for terrorism on our side. You do understand that if Israel were to be overrun that those terrorists would not simply go home with the mission accomplished, right?

The short of it is that Israel does a LOT of dirty work that the US wants done over there but cannot do so itself (or even admit that it wants done). Nor do we want the attention that it can and will garner. We aid them because it is in our best interest to do so. To think that our geopolitical alliances exist on any other predication is rather naïve.

We do not ‘like’ Israel as a nation. We use them because it is in OUR best interest. That is how nations interact with each other.

AmericanFirst, AvgGuyIA, bendog, deltex1, Dreadnaught1968, eagle7_31, longknife, Mojo2, NLT, OKTexas, OriginalShroom, RetiredGySgt, Rozman, The Rabbi

None of these people are fiscal conservatives, if any claim to be so, feel free to call them liars, since this vote makes it clear that they would be lying.

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

When in doubt cry racist!!

2Billion are year is 2 billion more that we have since we are trillions in the hole

Is math hard? Do you not get that we shouldn't be giving away money we don't have?

But please, keep hiding behind the assumption that I'm a racist, it's ******* funny

See above. Whether or not the posters in question are fiscally conservative is not to be decided by this single charge. Your assertion that you cannot be fiscally conservative and support Israeli aid at the same time is completely false as most absolute statements are. Not aiding the Middle East’s punching bag might well cost MORE than 3 billion a year when they decide to STOP fighting our battles over there, supporting our interests or even lose to the terrorists and cease being their primary target.

You make the sarcastic statement “is math hard?” but in reality it IS far harder than just subtracting 2 billion from what we have. What would the costs be if we were to cease support for Israel? That MUST be part of the consideration.

The idea that everything can be boiled down to something that is simply black and white is a rather naive way of addressing complex subjects – particularly one of this complexity.