Should President Obama Suspend Military Aide to Israel?

[Mustang]

Here's a few stats in case anyone cares.

51 people responded to the poll. Out of those numbers, 12 people self-identified as liberal, 15 self-identified as moderate, and 22 self-identified as conservative.

58.3% of liberals voted yes.
41.7% voted no.

20% of moderates voted yes.
80% voted no.

27.3% of conservatives voted yes.
72.7% voted no.

2 people chose Don't know/unsure

Edit to add: Since there's about 50 respondents, the easiest way to figure the overall percentage of votes is to just add the numbers and double them to reach a percentage.

About 1/3 voted yes
About 2/3 voted no

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

So, Mr. Thought, if everything is based on money, the Oil Shieks are var wealthier than ANY Jew.

Could be, but I don't know and don't really care at this point. What does that have to do with the price of apples anyway? (rhetorical question)

 

[Siete]

PR fiasco? Are you kidding? Here's the reality of what Israel faces, Mustang. They are completely surrounded by enemies who have repeatedly attacked them since the 1940's...enemies who have made it quite clear that their intention is to wipe out both the Jewish State and the Jews who live in it if they succeed!

With the current conflict you've got Hamas...a group that is deemed to be a terrorist organization by the US government firing THOUSANDS of rockets from Gaza into Israel and digging dozens of tunnels beneath the wall that Israel constructed to keep out terrorists so that they can attack and kill any and all Israelis...be they military or civilians...men, women or children! What justification could you POSSIBLY have for those tunnels? They have one purpose and one purpose only...to get inside Israel so that they can kill Israelis! What's pathetic is that US tax dollars are supporting the Palestinians while they allow this to take place.

Sounds like it might be a good time for Israel to lift its illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza before the world decides to stop doing business with Jews who want all the land between the River and the sea for themselves?

Actually it's a good time to break out the napalm. Leave no man standing.

actually its time to turn a deaf ear to the mid east and stop giving foreign aid money sponsored by taxpayers to anyone that so much as even shoots a firecracker much less a rocket .... they want $$ ? shake hands and have a drink, if not, go to hell.

 

[The Rabbi]

So, Mr. Thought, if everything is based on money, the Oil Shieks are var wealthier than ANY Jew.

Could be, but I don't know and don't really care at this point. What does that have to do with the price of apples anyway? (rhetorical question)

Of course not. You know Jews are the source of all strife in the world. That's obvious, right?

 

[Mustang]

Sounds like it might be a good time for Israel to lift its illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza before the world decides to stop doing business with Jews who want all the land between the River and the sea for themselves?

Actually it's a good time to break out the napalm. Leave no man standing.

actually its time to turn a deaf ear to the mid east and stop giving foreign aid money sponsored by taxpayers to anyone that so much as even shoots a firecracker much less a rocket .... they want $$ ? shake hands and have a drink, if not, go to hell.

I could get behind that.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Anti-Israel morphs into anti-Semitism too often to overlook the connection.

You have now become an official waste of air, Peach. I carefully explained my position, and you conclude from that your duel misrepresentation. The gloves are off now, lacking any earnest apology from you. I truly expected better of you.

I did not curse you, I noted too many who say they are anti-Israel are in fact anti-Semitic, not all. I will apologize for hurting your feelings, but not my views.

Disingenuous and misdirected. My feeling are irrelevant having gone through hell to return to the world. Your confirmation of Soggy's idiotic declaration is what brought my ire. To lend support to that vapid and ignorant statement in any way was unwise and unfounded in fact or in proof of any form. I, too, could go the route of attacking your character gratuitously! A difference of opinion presents no grounds for that behavior, does it? I'll not respond in kind this time, but there is a limit to forbearance.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

So, Mr. Thought, if everything is based on money, the Oil Shieks are var wealthier than ANY Jew.

Could be, but I don't know and don't really care at this point. What does that have to do with the price of apples anyway? (rhetorical question)

Of course not. You know Jews are the source of all strife in the world. That's obvious, right?

You ignorant ******* gadfly!

 

[The Rabbi]

Could be, but I don't know and don't really care at this point. What does that have to do with the price of apples anyway? (rhetorical question)

Of course not. You know Jews are the source of all strife in the world. That's obvious, right?

You ignorant ******* gadfly!

Yup, tacit admission.
It is irrelevant what I am. What you are is a knee jerk anti semite. You've revealed it in your posts. If someone says, I think we should cut off all foreign aid. OK, we can disagree about that but that's a legtimate position somewhere. Someone says, We need to cut off aid to Israel, and can't distinguish why Israel from any other country then I have doubts. When he pushes the lies of the Protocals through cartoons then it's pretty certain what we have. A card carrying jew hater. Here's your sign, dumbshit.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

AmericanFirst, AvgGuyIA, bendog, deltex1, Dreadnaught1968, eagle7_31, longknife, Mojo2, NLT, OKTexas, OriginalShroom, RetiredGySgt, Rozman, The Rabbi

None of these people are fiscal conservatives, if any claim to be so, feel free to call them liars, since this vote makes it clear that they would be lying.

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

It used to be $2 billion. Now we give Israel $3 billion, and it is making that relatively small country rich.

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

Last week, Israel passed another milestone, a potential gamechanger for its economy. Gas began to flow from gas fields off the coast. By 2015 Israel is expected to be fully energy independent, and may be a net exporter.

And there’s more good news: In this water-challenged region, Israel is well on the way to water independence. Its water desalination industry supplies up to 40 percent of the country’s demand for water, and another 40 percent comes from recycled water from domestic and commercial consumption. Israel reuses its water two to three times.

The boom may give a louder voice to calls for a reduction to the $3 billion worth of financial assistance Israel receives from the U.S. each year – especially in the Washington, where budget battles continue.

 

[The Rabbi]

AmericanFirst, AvgGuyIA, bendog, deltex1, Dreadnaught1968, eagle7_31, longknife, Mojo2, NLT, OKTexas, OriginalShroom, RetiredGySgt, Rozman, The Rabbi

None of these people are fiscal conservatives, if any claim to be so, feel free to call them liars, since this vote makes it clear that they would be lying.

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

It used to be $2 billion. Now we give Israel $3 billion, and it is making that relatively small country rich.

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

Last week, Israel passed another milestone, a potential gamechanger for its economy. Gas began to flow from gas fields off the coast. By 2015 Israel is expected to be fully energy independent, and may be a net exporter.

And there’s more good news: In this water-challenged region, Israel is well on the way to water independence. Its water desalination industry supplies up to 40 percent of the country’s demand for water, and another 40 percent comes from recycled water from domestic and commercial consumption. Israel reuses its water two to three times.

The boom may give a louder voice to calls for a reduction to the $3 billion worth of financial assistance Israel receives from the U.S. each year – especially in the Washington, where budget battles continue.

Israel's GDP last year was $243B so 3B, most of which is merely credits for them to go shopping here, is not very significant. It's certainaly not significant to us, a point you failed to grasp.

 

[Antares]

Hamas is the aggressor and terrorist group. Stop funding them.

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

You look completely foolish.

Tell the Palestinians to out Hamas, point out the stashes, the people everything.

That ends your problem.

Hamas is a murderous evil organization.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

It used to be $2 billion. Now we give Israel $3 billion, and it is making that relatively small country rich.

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

Last week, Israel passed another milestone, a potential gamechanger for its economy. Gas began to flow from gas fields off the coast. By 2015 Israel is expected to be fully energy independent, and may be a net exporter.

And there’s more good news: In this water-challenged region, Israel is well on the way to water independence. Its water desalination industry supplies up to 40 percent of the country’s demand for water, and another 40 percent comes from recycled water from domestic and commercial consumption. Israel reuses its water two to three times.

The boom may give a louder voice to calls for a reduction to the $3 billion worth of financial assistance Israel receives from the U.S. each year – especially in the Washington, where budget battles continue.

Israel's GDP last year was $243B so 3B, most of which is merely credits for them to go shopping here, is not very significant. It's certainaly not significant to us, a point you failed to grasp.

population of israel - Bing

New York (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

If you lived in New York City, what would you think of the federal government giving the city a gift of $3 billion every year?! The populations of NYC and Israel are almost exactly the same.

NYC -- 8.4 million
Israel - 8.1 million

 

[Peach]

It used to be $2 billion. Now we give Israel $3 billion, and it is making that relatively small country rich.

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

Israel's GDP last year was $243B so 3B, most of which is merely credits for them to go shopping here, is not very significant. It's certainaly not significant to us, a point you failed to grasp.

population of israel - Bing

New York (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

If you lived in New York City, what would you think of the federal government giving the city a gift of $3 billion every year?! The populations of NYC and Israel are almost exactly the same.

NYC -- 8.4 million
Israel - 8.1 million

Geography facors in.

 

[The Rabbi]

It used to be $2 billion. Now we give Israel $3 billion, and it is making that relatively small country rich.

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

Israel's GDP last year was $243B so 3B, most of which is merely credits for them to go shopping here, is not very significant. It's certainaly not significant to us, a point you failed to grasp.

population of israel - Bing

New York (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

If you lived in New York City, what would you think of the federal government giving the city a gift of $3 billion every year?! The populations of NYC and Israel are almost exactly the same.

NYC -- 8.4 million
Israel - 8.1 million

The federal government has provided much more money to NYC at various time. Over $20B actually.
U.S. GAO - Disaster Assistance: Information on FEMA's Post 9/11 Public Assistance to the New York City Area

Now, how is that relevant at all? It isn't. Another red herring.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Of course not. You know Jews are the source of all strife in the world. That's obvious, right?

You ignorant ******* gadfly!

Yup, tacit admission.
It is irrelevant what I am. What you are is a knee jerk anti semite. You've revealed it in your posts. If someone says, I think we should cut off all foreign aid. OK, we can disagree about that but that's a legtimate position somewhere. Someone says, We need to cut off aid to Israel, and can't distinguish why Israel from any other country then I have doubts. When he pushes the lies of the Protocals through cartoons then it's pretty certain what we have. A card carrying jew hater. Here's your sign, dumbshit.

With creativity like that, you could build a mansion out of a single 2x4! Your conclusion is based solely on your OWN ******* CONSTRUCTS FROM YOUR OWN TORTURED MIND. Tacit means implied or understood, ya dummy! Neither of those two apply to what I've written. You infer, through your own biased reasoning as well as a reason to make yourself appear powerful in YOUR OWN WARPED MIND, attributions you see in your mind which are non-existent in reality. Talk about red herrings!

Now I'll bet you come back with another piece of your shit, as a most excellent exemplar of gadflydom!

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Israel's GDP last year was $243B so 3B, most of which is merely credits for them to go shopping here, is not very significant. It's certainaly not significant to us, a point you failed to grasp.

population of israel - Bing

New York (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

If you lived in New York City, what would you think of the federal government giving the city a gift of $3 billion every year?! The populations of NYC and Israel are almost exactly the same.

NYC -- 8.4 million
Israel - 8.1 million

The federal government has provided much more money to NYC at various time. Over $20B actually.
U.S. GAO - Disaster Assistance: Information on FEMA's Post 9/11 Public Assistance to the New York City Area

Now, how is that relevant at all? It isn't. Another red herring.

How is disaster assistance that was needed for a disaster relevant?

I know I'd be awfully happy if just the whole state of California could get $3 billion in federal assistance every year.

 

[Peach]

How is fiscal conservatism even relevant here? You undertstand Israeli aid from the US amounts to about $2B a year, right? That's enough to run the government here for about 2 days. It is a rounding error in the budget.

No, I suspect the aid issue is just a cover for deeper feelings of hostility towards Israel. In fact I am almost sure of it.

It used to be $2 billion. Now we give Israel $3 billion, and it is making that relatively small country rich.

Israel's booming economy puts billions in US aid under spotlight - World News

Last week, Israel passed another milestone, a potential gamechanger for its economy. Gas began to flow from gas fields off the coast. By 2015 Israel is expected to be fully energy independent, and may be a net exporter.

And there’s more good news: In this water-challenged region, Israel is well on the way to water independence. Its water desalination industry supplies up to 40 percent of the country’s demand for water, and another 40 percent comes from recycled water from domestic and commercial consumption. Israel reuses its water two to three times.

The boom may give a louder voice to calls for a reduction to the $3 billion worth of financial assistance Israel receives from the U.S. each year – especially in the Washington, where budget battles continue.

Israel's GDP last year was $243B so 3B, most of which is merely credits for them to go shopping here, is not very significant. It's certainaly not significant to us, a point you failed to grasp.

A drop in the bucket, to our ally.

 

[skookerasbil]

Mustang.....you have the political IQ of a small soap dish.


Chances of that happening = 0%

 

[The Rabbi]

population of israel - Bing

New York (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

If you lived in New York City, what would you think of the federal government giving the city a gift of $3 billion every year?! The populations of NYC and Israel are almost exactly the same.

NYC -- 8.4 million
Israel - 8.1 million

The federal government has provided much more money to NYC at various time. Over $20B actually.
U.S. GAO - Disaster Assistance: Information on FEMA's Post 9/11 Public Assistance to the New York City Area

Now, how is that relevant at all? It isn't. Another red herring.

How is disaster assistance that was needed for a disaster relevant?

I know I'd be awfully happy if just the whole state of California could get $3 billion in federal assistance every year.

The state's university system gets that much every year, much less the ret of the state.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/u...back-in-federal-cuts.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

You're not doing very well here, are you? Maybe you should cut your losses and STFU.

 

[Mustang]

Mustang.....you have the political IQ of a small soap dish.


Chances of that happening = 0%

Did I make any predictions for the likelihood of it happening?