Should President Obama Suspend Military Aide to Israel?

[Pete7469]

Speaking of libtards, Juan Williams on the Five, does he ever shut his pie hole or just keep on talking saying nothing important?

Isn't that what all bed wetters do?

It's a shame.. he seems like he's genuinely a nice guy... but he's so in the tank, he won't even see the truth.

I actually like Juan Williams, as much as I can possibly like a moonbat anyway. Although I don't think he's the sort of mindless paint-huffing dipshit most bed wetters are. I think he knows some of his positions are bullshit, but he's paid to defend them.

Like when hitlary defended a pedophile she thought was guilty, you somehow shut down any independent thinking I suppose. I just don't think the ordinary fucktard liberal has an ON switch for thinking, either that or they're just as morally bankrupt as the hildabeast is.

Anyway regarding Juan, I think that he believes some liberal bullshit is inherently good for the country, and that's why he'll defend some of the more sinister shit. Parasites like hitlary and obozo know damn well what disasters their agenda causes, but they don't care because they're getting rich and powerful. That's what sociopaths do.

 

[Pete7469]

I haven't seen anyone defending Hamas. But Israel IS killing children. That's just a fact.

It is not a fact. Israel is not killing children. What you post is propaganda. Learn the difference.

A picture is worth a thousand words, and the Palestinians have hundreds of pictures of dead children in the wake of the Israeli military assault.

Kids they're responsible for killing.

 

[Pete7469]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

Only 28 Jews? Well, Hell, I guess its okay for Hamas to fire rockets into Jerusalem proper. Carry on.

Maybe if jews started killing each other the bed wetters would like them more?

 

[Pete7469]

Israel's recent aggresssion does not alter, but does reinforce, my opposition to all foreign aid.

Unilateral cease fires for humanitarian reasons are agression? And Israel accepting a three day cease fire while Hamas dithered is aggressive, how so?

It is. It allows Hamas to prepare and re-arm, thus prolonging the conflict.

Israel needs to tell Obama to suck on it, tell the UN to stick it where the sun don't shine, tell the EU what they can do with their protests, and go in and clean out Hamas once and for all. Totally degrade their ability to make war, kill all their senior staff.

That is exactly it.

The only way this will EVER end is for one side to thoughoughly destroy the other's ability to make war.

Hamas CANNOT do it to Israel, but Israel can certainly occupy all of Gaza, search every inch for munitions and weapons, kill or imprison all resistance, and seal off the region from any future rearmaments.

The conflict will end at that point, and if the palestinians want peace, they'll achieve it through acting like normal human beings and learn to love their own children more than hate the jews.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Still waiting on your rationale for why aid to Egypt, Jordan, and Pakistan is OK but aid to Israel is not.

If you had read my post #169 you would see why there was no need to respond to that.

Or perhaps you didn't comprehend the meaning when I stated, "I don't believe US taxpayers need to continue this largess to a number of other Nations, which includes Israel." Calling someone stupid usually come back to bite a careless person in the ass.

How's the taste of that shit sandwich you just took a bite of sitting with you?
That I didn't spell out which Nations is absolutely irrelevant, so don't even think of going there.

The only shit sandwich is the one you are serving up.
Of course it is relevant which nations you think ought to get aid. It is in fact the whole point. But let me guess: Nations with a majority of Jews in them shouldn't get aid. Amiright?

There it is in the highlighted line above! A prime example of your black/white binary and bigoted thinking. Your deduction of my opinion of US military aid to Israel comes down to NOT equating a Nation's needs or actions over 66 years to that military aid, but to the desires of the Jews in that Nation; a warped conclusion that removes you as the bigot and inserts me as such. You're the Jewish version of a Templar or Jihadist. Religious zealotry of any stripe, Christian, Islamic, or Jewish is delusional and self-destructive. Get over your self-righteousness and remove that chip from your shoulder.

 

[georgephillip]

America is considered the moral leader of the world. I won’t bother to comment on the merit of that claim (either made by us or others). But it’s a simple fact that American foreign policy often has a strong moral element to it. For example, during the cold war, we promoted policies to encourage the Soviet Union to allow the emigration of Russian Jews to Israel. Furthermore, President Carter famously elevated human rights in his dealings with other nations. In fact, I believe the US always includes restrictions on the use of military aid and the weapons we supply to allies in the sense that we won’t allow them to be used except for defensive purposes.


With that said, the IDF shelling and bombing of Gaza is arguably not about self-defense considering the nature of the assault and the civilian death toll which is completely one-sided in terms of numbers. In that regard, the numbers I've seen are quite shocking. I won’t claim the number I’m providing is an official one, but what I’ve seen reported on the news is approximately 1,400 Palestinian deaths, mostly civilians, compared to 56 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians.


The Israelis are using our military aid and weapons we supply to engage in these wholesale deaths which is the result of targeting civilian areas.

So, in the interests of human rights and the American interest of not being seen as condoning the killing of so many innocent lives, including women and children, should President Obama suspend military aid to Israel in the interest of trying to stop the killing of so many civilians?

Whenever the resistance in Gaza kills or captures one of the invading Jews, the IDF immediately retaliates against entire civilian blocks.

It's nothing new.

Israel's Dahiya Doctrine was invented in Lebanon in 2006 and it's been used to great effect in Gaza ever since.

"The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence.[1]

"The doctrine is named after a southern suburb in Beirut with large apartment buildings which were flattened by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 2006 Lebanon War.[2] Israel has been accused of implementing the strategy during the Gaza War."

 

[Peach]

Israel's recent aggresssion does not alter, but does reinforce, my opposition to all foreign aid.

Unilateral cease fires for humanitarian reasons are agression? And Israel accepting a three day cease fire while Hamas dithered is aggressive, how so?

It is. It allows Hamas to prepare and re-arm, thus prolonging the conflict.

Israel needs to tell Obama to suck on it, tell the UN to stick it where the sun don't shine, tell the EU what they can do with their protests, and go in and clean out Hamas once and for all. Totally degrade their ability to make war, kill all their senior staff.

Hamas did not wait more than 90 minutes before attacking.

 

[Mustang]

The only position I think I've made clear is that I don't think the concept of principled conservatism holds up to closer scrutiny in the sense that extreme partisans change their so-called principles depending on who the principal players are. I see and hear evidence to back up that theory every single day when it comes to this forum and talk radio.

In THIS particular case, the issue as far as I'm concerned is the sanctity of innocent lives. Conservatives always seem to see the loss of innocent lives at the hands of our adversaries as a violation of human dignity and decency. I agree with that. But, as I suspected, in this case since the assault is being waged by Israel, there's no condemnation of Israeli leadership. MY view is the preventable wholesale loss of life of innocent civilians is reprehensible regardless of which side is pulling the trigger. I wouldn't make excuses for Israel doing it just because they're our ally or because of the holocaust because being the victim of an injustice isn't a license to perpetrate one yourself.

Conservatives aren't pacifists. They understand military action is a necessary evil sometimes. It is also understood civilian causalities in times of battle are sometimes unavoidable. Now in this case conservatives are just as outraged by the killing of civilians, they are just pointing the blame in the correct direction, unlike you. No one is making excuses for Israel, because they don't need excuses for doing the right thing. I believe it's you that is overlooking the role Hamas is playing in the death of their own people.

War needs to hurt. Civilians must die. Israel's enemies understand that. That's why their rockets are lobbed into Israel indiscriminately. This fact justifies Israel's reaction.

I think the rockets are fired into Israel indiscriminately because they have such a poor guidance system. After all, don't you think Hamas would aim at high value targets if they could and then fire so many rockets that no defensive shield could catch them all? I mean, what's the point of firing thousands of rockets and not hitting much of anything?

 

[usmcstinger]

Liberals call anyone a racist who does not support POTUS and his polices.

Those liberals who do not support Israel's right to defend themselves are anti-Semitic.

 

[Pete7469]

Conservatives aren't pacifists. They understand military action is a necessary evil sometimes. It is also understood civilian causalities in times of battle are sometimes unavoidable. Now in this case conservatives are just as outraged by the killing of civilians, they are just pointing the blame in the correct direction, unlike you. No one is making excuses for Israel, because they don't need excuses for doing the right thing. I believe it's you that is overlooking the role Hamas is playing in the death of their own people.

War needs to hurt. Civilians must die. Israel's enemies understand that. That's why their rockets are lobbed into Israel indiscriminately. This fact justifies Israel's reaction.

I think the rockets are fired into Israel indiscriminately because they have such a poor guidance system. After all, don't you think Hamas would aim at high value targets if they could and then fire so many rockets that no defensive shield could catch them all? I mean, what's the point of firing thousands of rockets and not hitting much of anything?

Do you even think about some of the insipid shit you type sometimes?

I would expect better from a horse.

Litteraly!!!

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Crimes against humanity the world failed to prevent, and the late US efforts to do so(.)

Peach, that is not an argument. It is just another contention lacking any foundation to support a conclusion...the elements of an argument!

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

I'm going to try and avoid being unpleasant with you because I believe you are a good person with good intentions.

How does one respond to a spiritual conviction of another, especially when that statement goes to reparations and atonement for acts committed by another Nation on another continent regarding a genocide which started 80 years ago and lasted for about 10 years. Remember the horrible, detestable inhumanity, and never let it be forgotten, YES! Take partial responsibility for it, HELL NO! You can wear that hair shirt if you wish! I will not.

 

[Peach]

Peach, that is not an argument. It is just another contention lacking any foundation to support a conclusion...the elements of an argument!

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

I'm going to try and avoid being unpleasant with you because I believe you are a good person with good intentions.

How does one respond to a spiritual conviction of another, especially when that statement goes to reparations and atonement for acts committed by another Nation on another continent regarding a genocide which started 80 years ago and lasted for about 10 years. Remember the horrible, detestable inhumanity, and never let it be forgotten, YES! Take partial responsibility for it, HELL NO! You can wear that hair shirt if you wish! I will not.

Fine, humans have the most basic right......to DISAGREE.

 

[The Rabbi]

If you had read my post #169 you would see why there was no need to respond to that.

Or perhaps you didn't comprehend the meaning when I stated, "I don't believe US taxpayers need to continue this largess to a number of other Nations, which includes Israel." Calling someone stupid usually come back to bite a careless person in the ass.

How's the taste of that shit sandwich you just took a bite of sitting with you?
That I didn't spell out which Nations is absolutely irrelevant, so don't even think of going there.

The only shit sandwich is the one you are serving up.
Of course it is relevant which nations you think ought to get aid. It is in fact the whole point. But let me guess: Nations with a majority of Jews in them shouldn't get aid. Amiright?

There it is in the highlighted line above! A prime example of your black/white binary and bigoted thinking. Your deduction of my opinion of US military aid to Israel comes down to NOT equating a Nation's needs or actions over 66 years to that military aid, but to the desires of the Jews in that Nation; a warped conclusion that removes you as the bigot and inserts me as such. You're the Jewish version of a Templar or Jihadist. Religious zealotry of any stripe, Christian, Islamic, or Jewish is delusional and self-destructive. Get over your self-righteousness and remove that chip from your shoulder.

Your inability to articulate what criteria should be used to award aid indicates severe bias. Or stupidity. Could be both.

 

[The Rabbi]

Peach, that is not an argument. It is just another contention lacking any foundation to support a conclusion...the elements of an argument!

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

I'm going to try and avoid being unpleasant with you because I believe you are a good person with good intentions.

How does one respond to a spiritual conviction of another, especially when that statement goes to reparations and atonement for acts committed by another Nation on another continent regarding a genocide which started 80 years ago and lasted for about 10 years. Remember the horrible, detestable inhumanity, and never let it be forgotten, YES! Take partial responsibility for it, HELL NO! You can wear that hair shirt if you wish! I will not.

The US was certainly complicit in failing to open its doors to German Jewish immigration in the 1930s. It was certainly complicit in sending hte St Louis back to Germany. It was certainly complicit in failing to bomb the rails leading to the death camps. It was certainly complicit in failing to condemn the growing anti semitism, anti Jewish laws in Germany.
So did the US cause the Holocaust? Of course not. Does it bear responsibility for its actions? Sure it does. Does that translate into unlimited aid to Israel? No, I dont think so.

 

[Mustang]

War needs to hurt. Civilians must die. Israel's enemies understand that. That's why their rockets are lobbed into Israel indiscriminately. This fact justifies Israel's reaction.

I think the rockets are fired into Israel indiscriminately because they have such a poor guidance system. After all, don't you think Hamas would aim at high value targets if they could and then fire so many rockets that no defensive shield could catch them all? I mean, what's the point of firing thousands of rockets and not hitting much of anything?

Do you even think about some of the insipid shit you type sometimes?

I would expect better from a horse.

Litteraly!!!

Litteraly? Realy?

What's the benefit to shooting thousands of rockets and hitting virtually nothing? Keep in mind that Iron Dome was only deployed in 2011.

 

[Pete7469]

I think the rockets are fired into Israel indiscriminately because they have such a poor guidance system. After all, don't you think Hamas would aim at high value targets if they could and then fire so many rockets that no defensive shield could catch them all? I mean, what's the point of firing thousands of rockets and not hitting much of anything?

Do you even think about some of the insipid shit you type sometimes?

I would expect better from a horse.

Litteraly!!!

Litteraly? Realy?

What's the benefit to shooting thousands of rockets and hitting virtually nothing? Keep in mind that Iron Dome was only deployed in 2011.

You honestly think they give a shit where they land? All they're hoping to do is kill someone, they don't even care who.

Like the fucksticks who used to mortar our bases in Iraq. They didn't care who died. They didn't even care when the mortars overshot the base and landed in the city streets.

You're not talking about rational strategically oriented people here.

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[Peach]

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

I'm going to try and avoid being unpleasant with you because I believe you are a good person with good intentions.

How does one respond to a spiritual conviction of another, especially when that statement goes to reparations and atonement for acts committed by another Nation on another continent regarding a genocide which started 80 years ago and lasted for about 10 years. Remember the horrible, detestable inhumanity, and never let it be forgotten, YES! Take partial responsibility for it, HELL NO! You can wear that hair shirt if you wish! I will not.

The US was certainly complicit in failing to open its doors to German Jewish immigration in the 1930s. It was certainly complicit in sending hte St Louis back to Germany. It was certainly complicit in failing to bomb the rails leading to the death camps. It was certainly complicit in failing to condemn the growing anti semitism, anti Jewish laws in Germany.
So did the US cause the Holocaust? Of course not. Does it bear responsibility for its actions? Sure it does. Does that translate into unlimited aid to Israel? No, I dont think so.

Yes, there are limits, but the past is prologue, always.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Crimes against humanity the world failed to prevent, and the late US efforts to do so(.)

Peach, that is not an argument. It is just another contention lacking any foundation to support a conclusion...the elements of an argument!

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

OK, but at some point we have to draw a line. These sides have been at each others' throats since the 25th chapter of Genesis. At some point you have to just let go and move forward.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Peach, that is not an argument. It is just another contention lacking any foundation to support a conclusion...the elements of an argument!

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

OK, but at some point we have to draw a line. These sides have been at each others' throats since the 25th chapter of Genesis. At some point you have to just let go and move forward.

No they haven't... the world has been cursed with Islam since the 7th century.

 

[Indeependent]

History cannot be altered by stating "That was then"; it remains. If we do not remember, and make amends for genocide, we are approving the next one.

OK, but at some point we have to draw a line. These sides have been at each others' throats since the 25th chapter of Genesis. At some point you have to just let go and move forward.

No they haven't... the world has been cursed with Islam since the 7th century.

It is obvious Mohammed tapped into the worst of what the descendentsnof Ishmael had to offer the world.