Should Govt abusers reimburse "Reparations" back to Taxpayers?

[hadit]

You keep insisting that comfort is more important than freedom. For most, it is not, and they would not agree that prison is preferable to even a poor life. If it were, there would be a lot fewer homeless and a lot more inmates.

Other than rare cases with special circumstances nobody starves in the U.S. If those homeless people were starving and in more constant danger I guarantee they'd be lining up for 3 hots and a cot with armed protection a lot more often than they already do. You would too. It's really easy to talk and talk and talk when you're sitting in a relatively safe air conditioned home with food in the fridge.


Anyway, again, you're diverting. Being a captured tribal prisoner in Africa was very likely not better than being a first world farm hand slave.

There are people starving in other countries who prefer that to living in prison. You simply don't account for the dehumanizing aspects to losing freedom. It's easy for you to talk about it when you sit in your house, can get in your car and go to a store whenever you want, go to another state and come back if you want, decide what you want to eat and when, etc.

 

[emilynghiem]

Given the renewed public debate over demands for "Reparations" for slavery,
why not reimburse Taxpayers for other areas of wrongdoing and abuse of govt authority and resources?

Which issues would you
1. agree to collect reimbursement, regardless how this is paid
2. only agree to demand payback from the actual wrongdoers and parties responsible
3. agree to use YOUR TAXES to pay reimbursement

A. Reparations for Black Slavery through property laws endorsed and enforced by Govt
B. Reimbursement to taxpayers for all costs, expenses, losses and payments incurred by the ACA/Obamacare health care reforms, mandates, corporate payouts, costs of litigation, legislation, administration, advertisements, and federal shut down expenses.
C. Reimbursement to taxpayers for abuses of govt authority and resources for
contested investigations and prosecution costs (please specify which cases you want reimbursed)
D. Reimbursement for other abusive or unauthorized spending at taxpayers expense (please specify)

but the gvt would have to tax, the tax payer more, in order to reimburse and pay the same tax payer for the tax abuse that you suggest occurred, like with the ACA, and to me that makes no sense??

AGREE Care4all
That's the real point and purpose of bringing this up.

That's why I advocate that instead of govt immunity,
the public SHOULD have ability to pinpoint the specific parties
who abused govt authority and resources, and require either those INDIVIDUALS
or their Political Parties or Corporations to pay if that's the collective entity responsible.

It DOESN'T make sense if taxpayers have to keep paying for prosecution and incarceration
when corporate or political criminals abuse taxpayer resources. that punishes the victim of these crimes!

As for the Democratic Party advocates for Reparations,
since this is legally problematic to trace back to the actual parties who benefited financially
from mortgaging people like property (JP Morgan Chase is one institution that did own up
and offered 5 million in investing in scholarships in Louisiana to offset the financial profits
their bank made off the mortgages on slaves)
that is where I raise the question: Are leaders and advocates like Marianne Williamson and Elizabeth Warren
who are rallying for Reparations willing to underwrite the cost? Where do they think
the money is going to come from?

Thanks Care4all
This is exactly the reason we need to discuss the full picture

 

[emilynghiem]

Given the renewed public debate over demands for "Reparations" for slavery,
why not reimburse Taxpayers for other areas of wrongdoing and abuse of govt authority and resources?

Which issues would you
1. agree to collect reimbursement, regardless how this is paid
2. only agree to demand payback from the actual wrongdoers and parties responsible
3. agree to use YOUR TAXES to pay reimbursement

A. Reparations for Black Slavery through property laws endorsed and enforced by Govt
B. Reimbursement to taxpayers for all costs, expenses, losses and payments incurred by the ACA/Obamacare health care reforms, mandates, corporate payouts, costs of litigation, legislation, administration, advertisements, and federal shut down expenses.
C. Reimbursement to taxpayers for abuses of govt authority and resources for
contested investigations and prosecution costs (please specify which cases you want reimbursed)
D. Reimbursement for other abusive or unauthorized spending at taxpayers expense (please specify)

but the gvt would have to tax, the tax payer more, in order to reimburse and pay the same tax payer for the tax abuse that you suggest occurred, like with the ACA, and to me that makes no sense??

AGREE Care4all
That's the real point and purpose of bringing this up.

That's why I advocate that instead of govt immunity,
the public SHOULD have ability to pinpoint the specific parties
who abused govt authority and resources, and require either those INDIVIDUALS
or their Political Parties or Corporations to pay if that's the collective entity responsible.

It DOESN'T make sense if taxpayers have to keep paying for prosecution and incarceration
when corporate or political criminals abuse taxpayer resources. that punishes the victim of these crimes!

As for the Democratic Party advocates for Reparations,
since this is legally problematic to trace back to the actual parties who benefited financially
from mortgaging people like property (JP Morgan Chase is one institution that did own up
and offered 5 million in investing in scholarships in Louisiana to offset the financial profits
their bank made off the mortgages on slaves)
that is where I raise the question: Are leaders and advocates like Marianne Williamson and Elizabeth Warren
who are rallying for Reparations willing to underwrite the cost? Where do they think
the money is going to come from?

Thanks Care4all
This is exactly the reason we need to discuss the full picture

 

[Care4all]

Given the renewed public debate over demands for "Reparations" for slavery,
why not reimburse Taxpayers for other areas of wrongdoing and abuse of govt authority and resources?

Which issues would you
1. agree to collect reimbursement, regardless how this is paid
2. only agree to demand payback from the actual wrongdoers and parties responsible
3. agree to use YOUR TAXES to pay reimbursement

A. Reparations for Black Slavery through property laws endorsed and enforced by Govt
B. Reimbursement to taxpayers for all costs, expenses, losses and payments incurred by the ACA/Obamacare health care reforms, mandates, corporate payouts, costs of litigation, legislation, administration, advertisements, and federal shut down expenses.
C. Reimbursement to taxpayers for abuses of govt authority and resources for
contested investigations and prosecution costs (please specify which cases you want reimbursed)
D. Reimbursement for other abusive or unauthorized spending at taxpayers expense (please specify)

but the gvt would have to tax, the tax payer more, in order to reimburse and pay the same tax payer for the tax abuse that you suggest occurred, like with the ACA, and to me that makes no sense??

AGREE Care4all
That's the real point and purpose of bringing this up.

That's why I advocate that instead of govt immunity,
the public SHOULD have ability to pinpoint the specific parties
who abused govt authority and resources, and require either those INDIVIDUALS
or their Political Parties or Corporations to pay if that's the collective entity responsible.

It DOESN'T make sense if taxpayers have to keep paying for prosecution and incarceration
when corporate or political criminals abuse taxpayer resources. that punishes the victim of these crimes!

As for the Democratic Party advocates for Reparations,
since this is legally problematic to trace back to the actual parties who benefited financially
from mortgaging people like property (JP Morgan Chase is one institution that did own up
and offered 5 million in investing in scholarships in Louisiana to offset the financial profits
their bank made off the mortgages on slaves)
that is where I raise the question: Are leaders and advocates like Marianne Williamson and Elizabeth Warren
who are rallying for Reparations willing to underwrite the cost? Where do they think
the money is going to come from?

Thanks Care4all
This is exactly the reason we need to discuss the full picture

Punishing the wrong doers by hitting them in the pocket, is much more difficult and complicated though...

Because we have due process... we'd have to prove they purposely defrauded us, their intent to harm.

Who can pay for all the lawyers and research experts, and investigators that we would need to go against these powerful entities and/or government?

We need to identify the conditions that are at the root... then attack them... imo

As one example, you made mention of it... putting the power back in to the hands of the people...

This is what we have lost in this democratic Republic....

Some examples,

-We can't vote to out a sitting congressman who is corrupt easily, because their districts have been extensively gerrymandered to guarantee their win or a clone of their' s win.

-big money donors, big money PACS, corporations, big money think tanks pushing their agendas who are paid by the big money donors... after all... the love of money, is the root of all Evil... So says the Bible.
We need to nip that in the bud... somehow?

-and we need SUNSHINE on everything the gvt does in our names and allegedly for us... Before these bills are passed.

I don't want it to get to the point of suing the entity that stole thru legislation, tax dollars of ours... So eventually we can force some to stop due to hitting them hard in the pocket.

I'd like to see us set up measures to prevent it from happening in the first place.

We need a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

 

[emilynghiem]

Given the renewed public debate over demands for "Reparations" for slavery,
why not reimburse Taxpayers for other areas of wrongdoing and abuse of govt authority and resources?

Which issues would you
1. agree to collect reimbursement, regardless how this is paid
2. only agree to demand payback from the actual wrongdoers and parties responsible
3. agree to use YOUR TAXES to pay reimbursement

A. Reparations for Black Slavery through property laws endorsed and enforced by Govt
B. Reimbursement to taxpayers for all costs, expenses, losses and payments incurred by the ACA/Obamacare health care reforms, mandates, corporate payouts, costs of litigation, legislation, administration, advertisements, and federal shut down expenses.
C. Reimbursement to taxpayers for abuses of govt authority and resources for
contested investigations and prosecution costs (please specify which cases you want reimbursed)
D. Reimbursement for other abusive or unauthorized spending at taxpayers expense (please specify)

but the gvt would have to tax, the tax payer more, in order to reimburse and pay the same tax payer for the tax abuse that you suggest occurred, like with the ACA, and to me that makes no sense??

AGREE Care4all
That's the real point and purpose of bringing this up.

That's why I advocate that instead of govt immunity,
the public SHOULD have ability to pinpoint the specific parties
who abused govt authority and resources, and require either those INDIVIDUALS
or their Political Parties or Corporations to pay if that's the collective entity responsible.

It DOESN'T make sense if taxpayers have to keep paying for prosecution and incarceration
when corporate or political criminals abuse taxpayer resources. that punishes the victim of these crimes!

As for the Democratic Party advocates for Reparations,
since this is legally problematic to trace back to the actual parties who benefited financially
from mortgaging people like property (JP Morgan Chase is one institution that did own up
and offered 5 million in investing in scholarships in Louisiana to offset the financial profits
their bank made off the mortgages on slaves)
that is where I raise the question: Are leaders and advocates like Marianne Williamson and Elizabeth Warren
who are rallying for Reparations willing to underwrite the cost? Where do they think
the money is going to come from?

Thanks Care4all
This is exactly the reason we need to discuss the full picture

Punishing the wrong doers by hitting them in the pocket, is much more difficult and complicated though...

Because we have due process... we'd have to prove they purposely defrauded us, their intent to harm.

Who can pay for all the lawyers and research experts, and investigators that we would need to go against these powerful entities and/or government?

We need to identify the conditions that are at the root... then attack them... imo

As one example, you made mention of it... putting the power back in to the hands of the people...

This is what we have lost in this democratic Republic....

Some examples,

-We can't vote to out a sitting congressman who is corrupt easily, because their districts have been extensively gerrymandered to guarantee their win or a clone of their' s win.

-big money donors, big money PACS, corporations, big money think tanks pushing their agendas who are paid by the big money donors... after all... the love of money, is the root of all Evil... So says the Bible.
We need to nip that in the bud... somehow?

-and we need SUNSHINE on everything the gvt does in our names and allegedly for us... Before these bills are passed.

I don't want it to get to the point of suing the entity that stole thru legislation, tax dollars of ours... So eventually we can force some to stop due to hitting them hard in the pocket.

I'd like to see us set up measures to prevent it from happening in the first place.

We need a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Thanks Care4all
From what I saw since I first argued there was too much room for abuse
and not direct and immediate check by the people to stop the corruption and costs,
people didn't respond to cries to change this until it got SO BAD that EVERYONE is yelling.

Now it's so BAD we might have a chance to unite people across parties
who are SERIOUS and not just saying we need to correct these problems,
but actively engaged and ready to jump in and create such a system.

I think the time is right where people will unite.
Before, when we trusted the election or corrections would go through
using the given process, people waited on leaders or parties or the system to get things fixed.

Only when it is clear this isn't going to happen
and it's only racking up more charges and debts to taxpayers,
only NOW could we expect people to unite and finally be heard.

What I propose is organizing people from across parties
and go ahead and set up COUNCILS for each district or state
comprising complete sets of reps from each party, but it's the
people willing to write out and enforce the proposed corrections.

Such as:
1. spelling out the ABUSIVE INCIDENT with the cost to taxpayers that is documented on record
2. describing the SOLUTION that those taxpayers or districts wish to invest in as a CORRECTION
(for example, misspending on Corporate Insurance payouts or mandates for X amount of dollars
and demanding that much CREDIT be applied toward a SOLUTION to health care such as
cooperative chapters in the affected district(s) that are petitioning for reimbursement and correction)
3. naming the govt leaders and the organization members or leaders in each District or State
who would be in charge of overseeing the correction, to make sure the AGREED documented
amount owed to taxpayers is invested in the proposed correction.
And I would recommend this be done by reps through each PARTY in that district,
and submit the proposed settlement to both the local, state and federal officials over that
district, plus the local schools and media in that district to inform everyone that this
correction is being sought for that district/state.

If we do this by district, we can establish a working example as a pilot,
and after people see how this is done by using party precinct leaders and
city/state reps to establish a petition/correction that SPECIFICALLY cites
the abusive act by govt and the cost to taxpayers, then it's clear what is
being complained about and where the corrective amount is to be invested
if all parties agree to that solution (for each incident that is backed by the
people affected who demand and agree to an equitable solution).