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Oh, American military keep America safe, and the rest of us can swivel. We are long over the delusion that we enjoy any special relationship with the US and most of us are fed up being dragged into American conflicts.
 
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Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....

An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.

James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.


The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.


The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.

Sad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.

Except you just posted that you guys have rifles, shotguns, and pistols.......and as my posts have shown, criminals keep importing more and more guns in to defend their drug turf...so gun control doesn't work, this man is still dead....from being shot.......

How exactly did your gun control laws work if this poor guy was shot to death?

You twit...
 
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Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....
Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.
Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
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Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........
Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.

No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....

Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....

And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...
TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.
Until your criminals decide to murder innocent people in their homes or on the street..........your gun control laws are not controlling them.....so when they decide to use their illegal guns...already in their possession...you gun control laws do not stop them...once they decide to kill, they have the guns to commit murder......it is the criminals who make the law, not your government......

As America shows, and Britain...normal people owning and carrying guns do not cause gun crime or gun murder....the criminals do that.........as more Americans own and carry guns....over 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%......you can't explain that...our gun crime rate went down 75%....you can't explain that.....

This shows that access to guns isn't the problem.......how our government handles repeat felons is the problem.......

So banning guns is just dumb....especially in the face of violent felons constantly released from jail and prison to cause more crime and death...
 
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Oh, American military keep America safe, and the rest of us can swivel. We are long over the delusion that we enjoy any special relationship with the US and most of us are fed up being dragged into American conflicts.

And so your welfare state ends......
 

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Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....

An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.

James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.


The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.


The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.

Sad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.

Except you just posted that you guys have rifles, shotguns, and pistols.......and as my posts have shown, criminals keep importing more and more guns in to defend their drug turf...so gun control doesn't work, this man is still dead....from being shot.......

How exactly did your gun control laws work if this poor guy was shot to death?

You twit...
Oh please, name me one law that has never been broken. Gun control is not about making shootings impossible, its about making society as safe as possible from being shot
Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....
Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.
Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........
Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.

No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....

Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....

And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...
TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.
Until your criminals decide to murder innocent people in their homes or on the street..........your gun control laws are not controlling them.....so when they decide to use their illegal guns...already in their possession...you gun control laws do not stop them...once they decide to kill, they have the guns to commit murder......it is the criminals who make the law, not your government......

As America shows, and Britain...normal people owning and carrying guns do not cause gun crime or gun murder....the criminals do that.........as more Americans own and carry guns....over 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%......you can't explain that...our gun crime rate went down 75%....you can't explain that.....

This shows that access to guns isn't the problem.......how our government handles repeat felons is the problem.......

So banning guns is just dumb....especially in the face of violent felons constantly released from jail and prison to cause more crime and death...
One can always tell when 2aguy's argument has fallen apart, he starts to vent childish personal insults and reverts to his favourite cut and paste BS mantra about 18 million Americans being solely responsible for reducing their gun murder rate. If that were the case, those 18 million should all get the medal of freedom for their efforts. Wonder why that never happened?
 
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Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....

An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.

James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.


The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.


The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.

Sad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.

Except you just posted that you guys have rifles, shotguns, and pistols.......and as my posts have shown, criminals keep importing more and more guns in to defend their drug turf...so gun control doesn't work, this man is still dead....from being shot.......

How exactly did your gun control laws work if this poor guy was shot to death?

You twit...
Oh please, name me one law that has never been broken. Gun control is not about making shootings impossible, its about making society as safe as possible from being shot
Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....
Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.
Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

---------------
Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........
Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.

No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....

Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....

And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...
TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.
Until your criminals decide to murder innocent people in their homes or on the street..........your gun control laws are not controlling them.....so when they decide to use their illegal guns...already in their possession...you gun control laws do not stop them...once they decide to kill, they have the guns to commit murder......it is the criminals who make the law, not your government......

As America shows, and Britain...normal people owning and carrying guns do not cause gun crime or gun murder....the criminals do that.........as more Americans own and carry guns....over 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%......you can't explain that...our gun crime rate went down 75%....you can't explain that.....

This shows that access to guns isn't the problem.......how our government handles repeat felons is the problem.......

So banning guns is just dumb....especially in the face of violent felons constantly released from jail and prison to cause more crime and death...
One can always tell when 2aguy's argument has fallen apart, he starts to vent childish personal insults and reverts to his favourite cut and paste BS mantra about 18 million Americans being solely responsible for reducing their gun murder rate. If that were the case, those 18 million should all get the medal of freedom for their efforts. Wonder why that never happened?

And you lie, again....I have explained exactly what that 18.6 million Americans represent, and it isn't lowering the crime rate....though they do help, as actual research shows.

As you know and pretend not to know, as you have been shown over and over again....

The 18.6 million Americans who now carry guns for self defense is up from 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in the 1990s......

Over that 27 year period...as we increased the number of people who carry guns from 4.7 million to over 18.6 million today...

Our gun murder rate dropped......it did not increase........so that means your theory is wrong.

Our gun crime rate dropped........it did not increase....so that means your theory is wrong....

When you say that more guns will cause more gun crime and more gun murder....and over 27 years later the exact opposite happened.....that means you were wrong......

Do you understand that?

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

 

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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Yep.....family ended by a family member or drug crime, we will find out which one it was......

You would have to ask the other 1.2 million gun owners who use their guns each year to stop rape, robbery and murder with their legal guns what they think about your post........

Could you let us know why British gun control laws didn't stop this family being murdered......it would help us understand the failure of British gun control laws...

A DAD who shot his wife and two young daughters at their Sussex home was a "bully" and a “nasty piece of work”, neighbours have said.

Robert Needham, 42, is alleged to have murdered partner Kelly Fitzgibbons, 40, and their children Ava, five, and three-year-old Lexi after suffering from cash fears linked to the coronavirus outbreak.
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The builder is believed to have shot his children in their beds and then killed the family's dog before turning the weapon on himself in the upstairs bedroom.

Police have not commented on how they all died but were not looking for anyone else in connection with the deaths.


 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
It would also help us understand how British gun control laws failed to stop the murdering of this family...

A millionaire businessman facing financial ruin unlawfully killed his wife and teenage daughter by shooting them in the head before taking his own life, a coroner ruled yesterday.

The inquest into their deaths was shown grainy CCTV footage of Christopher Foster walking around his sprawling £1.2m Shropshire mansion at night last August. At one stage he is seen carrying the bodies of his dead dogs and heavy buckets of kerosene that he used to set the home ablaze.

 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.

There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

 

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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
 

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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

I think you need to look at the stats to see that gun control works. Your death rates obsene, ours not so much.
 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.

The statistics prove guns save lives.....you are wrong.

The Centers for Disease Control research showed that Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....

We had 10,265 gun murders in the U.S. in 2018...according to our FBI...

1.2 million.....is larger than 10,265.

Suicide with guns do not count, since those willing to commit suicide will use any means at hand to do it....which is why Japan, and China as well as several European countries have higher suicide rates than the U.S....

And how many actual lives are saved each year in the U.S. with legal guns in the hands of normal people?

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.





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Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
--------

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
--------------

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

I think you need to look at the stats to see that gun control works. Your death rates obsene, ours not so much.

And those stats have nothing to do with guns owned and carried by legal gun owners...that is what you don't understand....

Since your country is currently being flooded with illegal guns, you will understand this as time goes by....
 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.

No, there are not 1,000 accidental gun deaths...you pulled that number out of thin air.....in fact....as More Americans own and carry guns our accidental gun death rate went down, not up....

How do you explain that?

Actual statistics from our Centers For Disease Control...in a country of over 320 million people and over 600 million guns in private hands.......

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html

2018....458
2017....486
2016 495
2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....461

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
 

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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
I dont think he does it for our benefit. He is trying to convince an American audience that having guns makes them safer. He doesnt really believe that either,its just his current talking point.
Bottom line is his guns are his only friends and he wants to keep them.
 
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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
I dont think he does it for our benefit. He is trying to convince an American audience that having guns makes them safer. He doesnt really believe that either,its just his current talking point.
Bottom line is his guns are his only friends and he wants to keep them.

I know guns make us safer..... as actual truth, facts and reality show......they do so on an individual level, and they do so on a much larger level...just ask the 12 million men, women and children who you Europeans murdered in the 1930s and 40s after you disarmed your populations....they might see things differently than you guys who sit there protected by American guns.......
 

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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
I dont think he does it for our benefit. He is trying to convince an American audience that having guns makes them safer. He doesnt really believe that either,its just his current talking point.
Bottom line is his guns are his only friends and he wants to keep them.
Agreed! But how many times does someone need to bang their head against a brick wall whilst getting nothing but criticism before they realise its futile and give up the ghost?
This guy is evidently just going to keep on banging!
 

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Man shot in gun free Britain...

A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.

Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.

Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.

Meanwhile in "Elyria".


It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.

Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?

From 2012....

In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.

"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."

Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.

For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.


There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.

There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.

Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.

Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.

Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.

The statistics prove guns save lives.....you are wrong.

The Centers for Disease Control research showed that Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....

We had 10,265 gun murders in the U.S. in 2018...according to our FBI...

1.2 million.....is larger than 10,265.

Suicide with guns do not count, since those willing to commit suicide will use any means at hand to do it....which is why Japan, and China as well as several European countries have higher suicide rates than the U.S....

And how many actual lives are saved each year in the U.S. with legal guns in the hands of normal people?

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.





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Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
--------

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
--------------

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.


Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
Suicide with guns do not count, since those willing to commit suicide will use any means at hand to do it....which is why Japan, and China as well as several European countries have higher suicide rates than the U.S....

US suicide rates are amongst the highest in the world - driven by guns.



Russia is worse if that is any comfort.
 

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