Vagabond63
Gold Member
Oh, American military keep America safe, and the rest of us can swivel. We are long over the delusion that we enjoy any special relationship with the US and most of us are fed up being dragged into American conflicts.
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Sad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....
An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.
James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.
The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.
The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.
Artist critically wounded in Hampshire shooting as suspect dies in chase
Children’s writer James Nash is shot by attacker who fled on a motorcycle, which he crashedwww.theguardian.com
TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...
A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.
Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.
Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.
Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named
A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.www.standard.co.uk
Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....
I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.
The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.
Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....
UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center
“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
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Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News
Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.
Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.
The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.
These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.
There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.
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Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........
No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....
Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....
And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...
Oh, American military keep America safe, and the rest of us can swivel. We are long over the delusion that we enjoy any special relationship with the US and most of us are fed up being dragged into American conflicts.
Oh please, name me one law that has never been broken. Gun control is not about making shootings impossible, its about making society as safe as possible from being shotSad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....
An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.
James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.
The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.
The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.
Artist critically wounded in Hampshire shooting as suspect dies in chase
Children’s writer James Nash is shot by attacker who fled on a motorcycle, which he crashedwww.theguardian.com
Except you just posted that you guys have rifles, shotguns, and pistols.......and as my posts have shown, criminals keep importing more and more guns in to defend their drug turf...so gun control doesn't work, this man is still dead....from being shot.......
How exactly did your gun control laws work if this poor guy was shot to death?
You twit...
One can always tell when 2aguy's argument has fallen apart, he starts to vent childish personal insults and reverts to his favourite cut and paste BS mantra about 18 million Americans being solely responsible for reducing their gun murder rate. If that were the case, those 18 million should all get the medal of freedom for their efforts. Wonder why that never happened?TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...
A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.
Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.
Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.
Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named
A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.www.standard.co.uk
Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....
I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.
The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.
Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....
UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center
“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News
Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.
Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.
The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.
These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.
There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.
---------------
Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........
No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....
Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....
And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...
Until your criminals decide to murder innocent people in their homes or on the street..........your gun control laws are not controlling them.....so when they decide to use their illegal guns...already in their possession...you gun control laws do not stop them...once they decide to kill, they have the guns to commit murder......it is the criminals who make the law, not your government......
As America shows, and Britain...normal people owning and carrying guns do not cause gun crime or gun murder....the criminals do that.........as more Americans own and carry guns....over 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%......you can't explain that...our gun crime rate went down 75%....you can't explain that.....
This shows that access to guns isn't the problem.......how our government handles repeat felons is the problem.......
So banning guns is just dumb....especially in the face of violent felons constantly released from jail and prison to cause more crime and death...
Oh please, name me one law that has never been broken. Gun control is not about making shootings impossible, its about making society as safe as possible from being shotSad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....
An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.
James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.
The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.
The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.
Artist critically wounded in Hampshire shooting as suspect dies in chase
Children’s writer James Nash is shot by attacker who fled on a motorcycle, which he crashedwww.theguardian.com
Except you just posted that you guys have rifles, shotguns, and pistols.......and as my posts have shown, criminals keep importing more and more guns in to defend their drug turf...so gun control doesn't work, this man is still dead....from being shot.......
How exactly did your gun control laws work if this poor guy was shot to death?
You twit...
One can always tell when 2aguy's argument has fallen apart, he starts to vent childish personal insults and reverts to his favourite cut and paste BS mantra about 18 million Americans being solely responsible for reducing their gun murder rate. If that were the case, those 18 million should all get the medal of freedom for their efforts. Wonder why that never happened?TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...
A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.
Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.
Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.
Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named
A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.www.standard.co.uk
Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....
I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.
The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.
Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....
UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center
“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News
Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.
Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.
The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.
These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.
A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.
There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.
---------------
Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........
No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....
Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....
And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...
Until your criminals decide to murder innocent people in their homes or on the street..........your gun control laws are not controlling them.....so when they decide to use their illegal guns...already in their possession...you gun control laws do not stop them...once they decide to kill, they have the guns to commit murder......it is the criminals who make the law, not your government......
As America shows, and Britain...normal people owning and carrying guns do not cause gun crime or gun murder....the criminals do that.........as more Americans own and carry guns....over 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%......you can't explain that...our gun crime rate went down 75%....you can't explain that.....
This shows that access to guns isn't the problem.......how our government handles repeat felons is the problem.......
So banning guns is just dumb....especially in the face of violent felons constantly released from jail and prison to cause more crime and death...
Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
I think you need to look at the stats to see that gun control works. Your death rates obsene, ours not so much.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.
Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.
Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.
Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
I think you need to look at the stats to see that gun control works. Your death rates obsene, ours not so much.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.
Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.
Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.
Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
I dont think he does it for our benefit. He is trying to convince an American audience that having guns makes them safer. He doesnt really believe that either,its just his current talking point.There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.
Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.
Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.
Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
I dont think he does it for our benefit. He is trying to convince an American audience that having guns makes them safer. He doesnt really believe that either,its just his current talking point.There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.
Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.
Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.
Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
Bottom line is his guns are his only friends and he wants to keep them.
Agreed! But how many times does someone need to bang their head against a brick wall whilst getting nothing but criticism before they realise its futile and give up the ghost?I dont think he does it for our benefit. He is trying to convince an American audience that having guns makes them safer. He doesnt really believe that either,its just his current talking point.There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.
Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.
Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.
Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
Bottom line is his guns are his only friends and he wants to keep them.
There are up to 1000 accidental deaths per year through firearms in the US.Meanwhile in "Elyria".Man shot in gun free Britain...
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.
Emergency services were called to Upper Berkeley Street, a short distance from Marble Arch Tube station, shortly after 2am on Sunday.
Metropolitan Police officers found one man with a gunshot injury and another man with a stab and head injury. The men, aged in their 20s, were rushed to hospital.
Man shot and another stabbed near Hyde Park on weekend of bloodshed
A man has been shot and another stabbed near London's Hyde Park on a weekend of bloodshed in the capital.www.standard.co.uk
5 family members found dead inside Elyria home on Willowpark Road, police say
The Elyria Police Department is investigating after five family members were found dead inside a home Wednesday morning, according to a release from police.www.news5cleveland.com
It doesnt look like gun ownership kept this family safe. please explain how this mass shooting could happen in a country where everyone is armed ? It doesnt make sense.
Hmmmmm....family murder.....happens in Britain quite a little bit.......but, don't you guys have all the gun control you want?
From 2012....
In the last three months, three fathers have killed their partners, children and themselves - but what drives men to take such drastic action? Radio 4's File on 4 investigates.
"He walked out of the house, took a shotgun from the car, picked our family out and shot them."
Within a matter of minutes taxi driverMichael Atherton killed his partner Susan McGoldrick, her sister and her niece - before finally turning the gun on himself.
For Susan's family it was a loss from which they will never recover. But this family is not alone.
The tragedy was one of three so-called "family annihilations" in as many weeks - and there are around five such incidents per year in England and Wales.There's this notion that if they feel they can't carry on in this world they're not going to leave other people behindDr Marilyn Gregory, Sheffield University
What drives a man to kill himself and his family?
In the last two months four fathers have killed their families and then themselves - but what leads men to take such action and is enough being done to understand the causes, asks File on 4 reporter Jane Deith.www.bbc.com
Ban guns and those lives would be saved.
Apart from the 33,500 deaths from firearms each year, there are also 75,000 injuries attributed to firearms.
Time to give it up cowboy, you are never going to convince the British public that guns save lives because the statistics prove the opposite.
Must say I have to give you credit for effort, but maybe your zeal would be better rewarded by promoting something positive that the US has to offer us in Britain cos your gun thing aint never going to fly.
The statistics prove guns save lives.....you are wrong.
The Centers for Disease Control research showed that Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....
We had 10,265 gun murders in the U.S. in 2018...according to our FBI...
1.2 million.....is larger than 10,265.
Suicide with guns do not count, since those willing to commit suicide will use any means at hand to do it....which is why Japan, and China as well as several European countries have higher suicide rates than the U.S....
And how many actual lives are saved each year in the U.S. with legal guns in the hands of normal people?
Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct
that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.
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Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
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It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
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How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.