Shootings in Britain

[2aguy]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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[2aguy]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

And again, you don't know what you are talking about....normal people do not turn into murderers, especially of friends and family simply because they own or carry a gun....that is one of the big lies morons like you try to promote.....and it isn't based on anything other than a cheap attempt to demean gun owners and lie about them to get support for gun control....

http://www.jurist.org/forum/2013/02/don-kates-crimonology-firearms.php


Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong.

The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
=====

Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
======

Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets

David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas. Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.

No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”

The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”

Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”

It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.

Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.

Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.


Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”
====

When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.



When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
.-------



The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.
“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,”
======

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

--------------------------




III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62

Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64

These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65


“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69

A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed


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[2aguy]

Watch the film Falling Down then talk to me about Normal Americans

I'd rather watch "Train Spotting," to learn about you Brits and Scots....

 

[Parker99]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Not sure what you mean are you saying there is more shootings in the UK than the US because if that is what you are saying that is not the case.

The US has way more shooting than the UK.

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

And again, you don't know what you are talking about....normal people do not turn into murderers, especially of friends and family simply because they own or carry a gun....that is one of the big lies morons like you try to promote.....and it isn't based on anything other than a cheap attempt to demean gun owners and lie about them to get support for gun control....

The Criminology of Firearms


Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong.

The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.

Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
=====

Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
======

Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets

David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas. Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.

No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”

The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”

Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”

It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.

Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.

Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.


Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”
====

When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.



When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
.-------



The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.
“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,”
======

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

--------------------------




III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62

Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64

These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65


“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69

A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed


********

Don Kates, lawyer employed by the hopefully soon to be defunct NRA, to advocate against any form of gun control, very credible.

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Not sure what you mean are you saying there is more shootings in the UK than the US because if that is what you are saying that is not the case.

The US has way more shooting than the UK.

I know, that was my point. We have gun controls that work for us.

 

[Vagabond63]

Watch the film Falling Down then talk to me about Normal Americans

I'd rather watch "Train Spotting," to learn about you Brits and Scots....

And not a real gun in sight. Lives are shit on both sides of the pond. We just deal with it differently.

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

It makes me smile whenever I hear "land of the free and the home of the brave" describing a country with the highest incarceration rate on the planet, and the highest rate of gun ownership per capita. Not much freedom and a lot of cowards that need guns to feel safe.

 

[2aguy]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

It makes me smile whenever I hear "land of the free and the home of the brave" describing a country with the highest incarceration rate on the planet, and the highest rate of gun ownership per capita. Not much freedom and a lot of cowards that need guns to feel safe.

Posts the moron that lives in a country protected by the guns of the United States.....a country that can no longer support ships, jets or a decent military.......while they suck at the tit of the U.S. to pay for their welfare and healthcare....

 

[2aguy]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

---------------

Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........

 

[2aguy]

Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....

An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.

James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.


The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.

The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.

Artist critically wounded in Hampshire shooting as suspect dies in chase

Children’s writer James Nash is shot by attacker who fled on a motorcycle, which he crashed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

It makes me smile whenever I hear "land of the free and the home of the brave" describing a country with the highest incarceration rate on the planet, and the highest rate of gun ownership per capita. Not much freedom and a lot of cowards that need guns to feel safe.

Posts the moron that lives in a country protected by the guns of the United States.....a country that can no longer support ships, jets or a decent military.......while they suck at the tit of the U.S. to pay for their welfare and healthcare....

Oh dear, it seems I struck a nerve there. Too close to the truth it seems

 

[2aguy]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

It makes me smile whenever I hear "land of the free and the home of the brave" describing a country with the highest incarceration rate on the planet, and the highest rate of gun ownership per capita. Not much freedom and a lot of cowards that need guns to feel safe.

Posts the moron that lives in a country protected by the guns of the United States.....a country that can no longer support ships, jets or a decent military.......while they suck at the tit of the U.S. to pay for their welfare and healthcare....

Oh dear, it seems I struck a nerve there. Too close to the truth it seems

Truth....you didn't get close to it....however, it is true that American guns keep Britain safe.....so you can spend all of your money on your welfare state and failing healthcare system......you guys can't even put ships out to sea anymore.....

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

---------------

Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........

Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.

 

[2aguy]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

---------------

Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........

Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.

No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....

Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....

And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...

 

[2aguy]

More shootings in gun free Britain...

A man is in a serious condition in hospital following a double shooting in South London.

Police rushed to Rollins Street in New Cross shortly after 4am this morning (Friday, August 7).

At the scene they found a man, aged 27, with two gunshot wounds - one to his chest and another to his body.

He was treated at the scene by paramedics from London Ambulance Service before being taken to hospital, where he remains in a serious, but stable, condition.

At around 4.30am a second man attended hospital with a gunshot wound to his hand. His condition is non life-threatening.

The investigation is being led by detectives from the Met's Specialist Crime Command.

Updates as man in serious condition after South London double shooting

Police were called to Rollins Street shortly after 4am this morning

www.mylondon.news

 

[Vagabond63]

Artist and children's author shot and critically injured in gun free Britain.....

An artist and children’s author was the victim of a shooting in a quiet Hampshire village in which the suspect fled on a motorcycle before crashing in a police chase and dying.

James Nash, who is also a parish councillor, suffered critical head injuries. Police are continuing to investigate the motive for the attack.


The shooting took place in the village of Upper Enham on Wednesday afternoon, where Nash, 42, and his wife, Sarah, a specialist in satellite technology with a government agency, live in a cottage.

The shooting suspect is believed to have left the scene on foot before jumping on to a motorcycle. The 34-year-old crashed the bike three miles away during a police chase.

Artist critically wounded in Hampshire shooting as suspect dies in chase

Children’s writer James Nash is shot by attacker who fled on a motorcycle, which he crashed

www.theguardian.com

Sad that Mr Nash was killed by some deranged neo nazi lunatic who thought he was being spied on by the government (sound familiar, there are so many in the US) but proof that gun control works as he had to make his own shotgun from scratch rather than just walk into his local gun shop or gun fair if he was in America. This is the exception that proves the rule.

 

[Vagabond63]

More shootings in gun free Britain...

A man is in a serious condition in hospital following a double shooting in South London.

Police rushed to Rollins Street in New Cross shortly after 4am this morning (Friday, August 7).

At the scene they found a man, aged 27, with two gunshot wounds - one to his chest and another to his body.

He was treated at the scene by paramedics from London Ambulance Service before being taken to hospital, where he remains in a serious, but stable, condition.

At around 4.30am a second man attended hospital with a gunshot wound to his hand. His condition is non life-threatening.

The investigation is being led by detectives from the Met's Specialist Crime Command.

Updates as man in serious condition after South London double shooting

Police were called to Rollins Street shortly after 4am this morning

www.mylondon.news

Criminal on criminal event, therefore doesn't count by your rules.

 

[Vagabond63]

Man shot while sitting in a car......in gun free Britain...

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

Emergency services were called to Sebastopol Road in Edmonton at around 9pm on Wednesday after gunshots were reported.

Mr George was found with gunshot injuries. Paramedics battled to save him but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Man shot dead in 'callous' north London attack named

A 26-year-old man who was "callously" shot dead in north London has been named by police as Christopher George.

www.standard.co.uk

Wow, this proves gun control works, meanwhile in gun nut America, people can't even celebrate their Independence Day without 160 gun deaths.

Those aren't normal Americans......those are criminals in democrat party controlled cities, who the democrat party keeps letting out of prison, over and over again...but don't worry....you guys have the same morons in your country and they are working to release your most violent criminals too....

Whatever makes you think these were normal Brits,? If you give your criminals a pass, then you should stop posting these British criminal on criminal shootings.

I don't give our criminals a pass....they aren't normal Americans, they are criminals with long histories of crime and violence, confined primarily to democrat party controlled cities....who are allowed to shoot people because of the democrat party policies that release them from jail and prison over and over again no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and committing violent crimes against innocent people.

The focus needs to be on keeping them in prison, not taking guns away from people who don't use those guns for crime.

Normal Americans don't own guns. Your 300 million guns are owned by less than 100 million Americans. 30%. How many of those gun owners were "normal" until they turned those guns onto innocent people or their own families, or even themselves?

Wrong again.......American gun owners have stopped telling anonymous voices on the phone whether or not they own guns...at least the smart ones have......and ....

UPDATED: Correcting Gun Control false claims about "America’s unique gun violence problem" and "How to Reduce Shootings" - Crime Prevention Research Center

“32% of households have guns”
In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.
===========
Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.


There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

---------------

Crime prevention research centre, a pro gun group and Faux News, meh. Another cut and paste full of BS. But nevertheless it makes my case. The only way to know for sure what the correct numbers are is gun control and the registration of every gun to a particular individual.

Yeah....you morons registered your guns, then later used those lists to confiscate them........

Urm, we still have our rifles, shotguns and, yes, even pistols. Someone's not been paying attention. All that was made illegal were semi automatic pistols with barrel lengths less than 12 inches and assault weapons of all kinds. You need to try a lot harder to intimidate us with your fear mongering.

No fear mongering, truth telling. So...you have those guns and your criminals don't commit murder with them......gun control doesn't work, you just have criminals who don't want to murder each other....you also don't have people who want to walk into churches and schools to shoot people....

Yet....your immigrant drug gangs are importing more and more guns to protect their drug turf.....

And I notice you didn't address the fact that American guns keep your country safe.......showing the ingratitude of welfare state sponges...

TRUTH! You can't handle the truth (sorry couldn't resist)! Thank you once again for destroying your own argument. If our criminals don't want to kill each other or anyone else then we don't need guns to defend ourselves. Gun control is quite adequate for our safety. Gun control works.