Serious discussion on "Diversity, Equity, Inclusion"

[Foxfyre]

Who is the coach for Duke. They have had black basketball players there for decades now, but I guess none of them were more qualified than this guy.

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Who was the coach before him?

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Who was the coach before him?

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And before him?

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White is a race, and for most of the 249 years America has been a country whites have hired, been admitted into colleges, picked sports teams, and everything else based on color.

Those like you disingenuously try arguing using basketball or football but:

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You never talk about all the sports that are predominantly white.

Sports had to be integrated because whites wouldn't let blacks play. But now we see whites whining about 2 sports in order to argue dishonestly about the non athletic workplace.

Does anybody ever miss the point more than you? Duke is #1 in the nation. The skin color of the coach has nothing to do with that.

When more people of color start taking an interest in hockey and make the effort to learn and excel in the game, I'm pretty sure there will be more people of color on hockey teams. To assume that they are not common now is not due to racism unless that is on the part of black people. But there are a couple of dozen black players in the NHL now and as soon as one or two of those becomes a super star, I am pretty sure a lot more black kids will become more interested in hockey. Gradually we are seeing more black athletes in tennis, golf and other sports that black people have traditionally not shown a big interest in.

It isn't always racism or even usually racism. It is usually more a cultural thing or what is of interest.

But I'm pretty sure that is way over your head. Have a nice day.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why is diversity more important than skill and competence? Answer: It is not.

Also, America was founded on the ideal of equality of opportunity, not outcome.






The number one variable for economic and educational success is intelligence. This is regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity. This has been know in psychology and psychometrics for decades. Thousands of studies have confirmed this basic fact.

If you are bright, universities and employers want you. If you are not bright, your options become much more limited.

Oprah Winfrey, to use one example, is a billionaire because she is very bright, is a very good businesswoman, and is talented.

People who claim racism to explain their failures in life are sad. The facts do not support their biased assumptions.

If a black man can be elected President of the United States--twice--it is a pretty good indication that racism is not that much of a problem in the USA.

 

[WelfareQueen]

If a black man can be elected President of the United States--twice--it is a pretty good indication that racism is not that much of a problem in the USA.

The mean I.Q. for a four a college graduate is 117. Graduation rates for blacks and whites with mean I.Q. of 117 or higher in college are identical. The same goes for poverty rates, children out of wedlock, incarceration, income and virtually any other social measure.

Employers and universities care far more about your intelligence and ability than your gender or skin color. This has been known for decades.

Racism exists, but the ultimate discrimination is low intelligence. If you are not smart your options are much more limited. This is regardless of race, gender, or anything else.

 

[Foxfyre]

The mean I.Q. for a four a college graduate is 117. Graduation rates for blacks and whites with mean I.Q. of 117 or higher in college are identical. The same goes for poverty rates, children out of wedlock, incarceration, income and virtually any other social measure.

Employers and universities care far more about your intelligence and ability than your gender or skin color. This has been known for decades.

Racism exists, but the ultimate discrimination is low intelligence. If you are not smart your options are much more limited. This is regardless of race, gender, or anything else.

And even of those with higher intellect, if they succumb to the negative culture that punishes them for not 'acting black', they are more likely to be stuck in a subculture that sits around and whines that it is racism that prevents them from succeeding.

The recipe for success regardless of skin color is:

1. Stay in school and actually educate yourself.
2. Stay away from illegal substances and activities
3. Accept whatever Mcjobs or other that you can get to develop experience, marketable skills, references, work ethic. And always do at least a little more than is required on that job. It isn't for forever but just the place to begin.
4. Do not have children until you are married to a responsible mate
5. Yes, athletes, entertainers and such can be as unique as they want, but to stake out your place in mainstream America, learn to speak, dress and conduct yourself for success in that culture.
6. Learn to manage your affairs constructively and learn a trade or skills or develop ability to make yourself valuable to employers as well as to your colleagues, and neighbors.

All of normal intelligence who do that will almost always enjoy their fair share of the American dream. And if DEI is no longer a factor, you won't be seen as the DEI employee in your chosen trade which will be a huge blessing.

 

[Robert W]

And even of those with higher intellect, if they succumb to the negative culture that punishes them for not 'acting black', they are more likely to be stuck in a subculture that sits around and whines that it is racism that prevents them from succeeding.

The recipe for success regardless of skin color is:

1. Stay in school and actually educate yourself.
2. Stay away from illegal substances and activities
3. Accept whatever Mcjobs or other that you can get to develop experience, marketable skills, references, work ethic. And always do at least a little more than is required on that job. It isn't for forever but just the place to begin.
4. Do not have children until you are married to a responsible mate
5. Yes, athletes, entertainers and such can be as unique as they want, but to stake out your place in mainstream America, learn to speak, dress and conduct yourself for success in that culture.
6. Learn to manage your affairs constructively and learn a trade or skills or develop ability to make yourself valuable to employers as well as to your colleagues, and neighbors.

All of normal intelligence who do that will almost always enjoy their fair share of the American dream. And if DEI is no longer a factor, you won't be seen as the DEI employee in your chosen trade which will be a huge blessing.

I will suggest other practical things. Study the book "Think and grow Rich" and carefully follow directions in it. Obtain books on how the rich got rich.
Studies of the rich have proven they have in general a lot of stocks and real estate. Trump for example often boasts about his real estate. As a Former Broker until I retired, invest where growth is happening. Cities tend to grow in a particular direction so invest in those areas. If a city is stagnant, don't buy there. Study why Real estate is a great growth for the public. Lastly, avoid divorce since it will often put a end to your investing.

 

[IM2]

Does anybody ever miss the point more than you? Duke is #1 in the nation. The skin color of the coach has nothing to do with that.

When more people of color start taking an interest in hockey and make the effort to learn and excel in the game, I'm pretty sure there will be more people of color on hockey teams. To assume that they are not common now is not due to racism unless that is on the part of black people. But there are a couple of dozen black players in the NHL now and as soon as one or two of those becomes a super star, I am pretty sure a lot more black kids will become more interested in hockey. Gradually we are seeing more black athletes in tennis, golf and other sports that black people have traditionally not shown a big interest in.

It isn't always racism or even usually racism. It is usually more a cultural thing or what is of interest.

But I'm pretty sure that is way over your head. Have a nice day.

I know what racism is because I've faced it for 64 years now. So don't try to tell me how everything isn't racism especially when YOU have posted stuff that is racist.

You miss the entire point. Whites have hired based on color in all of the time the United States has been a country. The opposition to DEI is based on a lie because whites such as you want to continue the practice of hiring whites. Again, the data shows that whites are 77 percent of the workforce. DEI is not affecting whites as far as employment or promotions are concerned. For you to use sports to argue when there are all kinds of sports that whites choose to play. that blacks can't afford due to the racism involved pertaining to income. There are thousands of white American men who are 6'0 to 7'0 tall playing volleyball. There are very few blacks in that sport; most tall blacks play basketball. So your entire argument in this regard is a bunch of disingenuous racist right-wing white mumbo jumbo. You always have excuses and they have no merit.

 

[IM2]

If a black man can be elected President of the United States--twice--it is a pretty good indication that racism is not that much of a problem in the USA.

If a black man is opposed by 55 percent of whites in two elections, it's a sign that racism still is a problem. Obama was disrepected by congress and the majority of whites in this ntin. Whites are still trying to blame Obama for things he didn't do. The election of Trump twice proves that racism in this country is still a huge problem. Whites like you trying to say racism is not a problem is like the fox telling the chickens he doesn't like poultry.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You cannot force or impose your "morality" on others. It has never worked in human history. I trust that most Americans, if left to their own devices, will hire the best person for the job if they are in a position to do so. Exceptions exist, but is it not a greater injustice in attempts to somehow stop the few idiots?

MAGA tries it all the time, and do they cry when the fail.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MAGA health care

 

[Foxfyre]

I will suggest other practical things. Study the book "Think and grow Rich" and carefully follow directions in it. Obtain books on how the rich got rich.
Studies of the rich have proven they have in general a lot of stocks and real estate. Trump for example often boasts about his real estate. As a Former Broker until I retired, invest where growth is happening. Cities tend to grow in a particular direction so invest in those areas. If a city is stagnant, don't buy there. Study why Real estate is a great growth for the public. Lastly, avoid divorce since it will often put a end to your investing.

Yes a discipline of saving and smart investing can greatly increase your net worth. But most people just want a decent quality of life that can be obtained by just living your life to succeed and not necessarily to be rich. And all people of normal intelligence regardless of the color of their skin can enjoy that.

 

[Foxfyre]

MAGA health care
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This pertains to the OP how?

 

[Foxfyre]

I know what racism is because I've faced it for 64 years now. So don't try to tell me how everything isn't racism especially when YOU have posted stuff that is racist.

You miss the entire point. Whites have hired based on color in all of the time the United States has been a country. The opposition to DEI is based on a lie because whites such as you want to continue the practice of hiring whites. Again, the data shows that whites are 77 percent of the workforce. DEI is not affecting whites as far as employment or promotions are concerned. For you to use sports to argue when there are all kinds of sports that whites choose to play. that blacks can't afford due to the racism involved pertaining to income. There are thousands of white American men who are 6'0 to 7'0 tall playing volleyball. There are very few blacks in that sport; most tall blacks play basketball. So your entire argument in this regard is a bunch of disingenuous racist right-wing white mumbo jumbo. You always have excuses and they have no merit.

So long as people like you demand that black people 'act black' and see themselves as victims, proportionately more black people will be poorer than white people. It is not DEI that will correct that but allowing them to escape that culture and mindset.

When you and others start encouraging black people to live their lives and prepare themselves to succeed, I am quite confident that within a generation there will be parity among all.

I am also quite confident that the reason more black people aren't succeeding is because people like you are telling them they aren't allowed to or they are being prevented from doing so. And that is wrong, counterproductive, even evil.

Again have a nice day.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

This pertains to the OP how?

Think about it.

 

[IM2]

And even of those with higher intellect, if they succumb to the negative culture that punishes them for not 'acting black', they are more likely to be stuck in a subculture that sits around and whines that it is racism that prevents them from succeeding.

The recipe for success regardless of skin color is:

1. Stay in school and actually educate yourself.
2. Stay away from illegal substances and activities
3. Accept whatever Mcjobs or other that you can get to develop experience, marketable skills, references, work ethic. And always do at least a little more than is required on that job. It isn't for forever but just the place to begin.
4. Do not have children until you are married to a responsible mate
5. Yes, athletes, entertainers and such can be as unique as they want, but to stake out your place in mainstream America, learn to speak, dress and conduct yourself for success in that culture.
6. Learn to manage your affairs constructively and learn a trade or skills or develop ability to make yourself valuable to employers as well as to your colleagues, and neighbors.

All of normal intelligence who do that will almost always enjoy their fair share of the American dream. And if DEI is no longer a factor, you won't be seen as the DEI employee in your chosen trade which will be a huge blessing.

“From its inception, the country’s legal foundations, political architecture, and civic fabric were designed to privilege the well-being of those who declared themselves white at the expense of Native Americans, African Americans, and other people of color. Generation after generation, as the baldest tactics were challenged, white America creatively renewed and reworked this pact to protect ourselves from political disempowerment, economic uncertainty, legal jeopardy, and physical violence. When the weight of the blood spilled by over 750,000 Americans shattered outright slavery, white America picked up the shards, fashioning them into a ramshackle but effective system of sharecropping, lynching, convict leasing, segregationist Jim Crow laws, restrictive immigration policies, appeals to “states’ rights,” voter suppression, and mass incarceration.”
-Robert P. Jones

The recipe for white success has been to pass laws and policies to exclude non whites, and then each time these racist laws and policies get reversed, develop more ways to circumvent these laws in order to maintain white advantage. Another one is to lie and repeat lies that create racial resentment about how equal opportunity hurts whites because less qualified non whites get jobs that whites get passed over for.

We don't need the white racist lecture. You don't even know what DEI is and all of your posts are pure racism. We don't need the white lecture about what to do in order to succeed. You have a white --- president who is a convicted felon, so you need to just STFU, because whites don't have what they do because of ANY of the things you say. If anybody has gotten what you think DEI is, it whites.

 

[IM2]

So long as people like you demand that black people 'act black' and see themselves as victims, proportionately more black people will be poorer than white people. It is not DEI that will correct that but allowing them to escape that culture and mindset.

When you and others start encouraging black people to live their lives and prepare themselves to succeed, I am quite confident that within a generation there will be parity among all.

I am also quite confident that the reason more black people aren't succeeding is because people like you are telling them they aren't allowed to or they are being prevented from doing so. And that is wrong, counterproductive, even evil.

Again have a nice day.

You definitely don't want us to act like whites. Doing so would include creating laws to confiscate all property and money whites have, making it illegal for whites to educate themselves, and passing laws making whites chattel. These are just a few things to consider because there are many more, and none are good.

We aren't the ones seeing ourselves as victims. Whites are the ones crying about DEI, even as they are the ones who have most of the jobs. You can stop with the white racist canned slogans based on the fiction you racists keep telling yourselves. So when whites like YOU can face the truth of your own history, whites will be better off as a people.

 

[Foxfyre]

Think about it.

Your post suggests maybe you didn't think at all? Try to focus on the OP okay?

 

[Meister]

Does anybody ever miss the point more than you? Duke is #1 in the nation. The skin color of the coach has nothing to do with that.

When more people of color start taking an interest in hockey and make the effort to learn and excel in the game, I'm pretty sure there will be more people of color on hockey teams. To assume that they are not common now is not due to racism unless that is on the part of black people. But there are a couple of dozen black players in the NHL now and as soon as one or two of those becomes a super star, I am pretty sure a lot more black kids will become more interested in hockey. Gradually we are seeing more black athletes in tennis, golf and other sports that black people have traditionally not shown a big interest in.

It isn't always racism or even usually racism. It is usually more a cultural thing or what is of interest.

But I'm pretty sure that is way over your head. Have a nice day.

Foxfyre, according to IM2, all roads lead to racism.
He couldn't carry a conversation without injecting racism.
He would inject racism when picking a paint color for a wall.
It's just an observation

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Your post suggests maybe you didn't think at all? Try to focus on the OP okay?

You cannot learn independently.

Best to you.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Foxfyre, according to IM2, all roads lead to racism.
He couldn't carry a conversation without injecting racism.
He would inject racism when picking a paint color for a wall.
It's just an observation

You and Foxfyre are the mirror reflections of IM2.

 

[Foxfyre]

“From its inception, the country’s legal foundations, political architecture, and civic fabric were designed to privilege the well-being of those who declared themselves white at the expense of Native Americans, African Americans, and other people of color. Generation after generation, as the baldest tactics were challenged, white America creatively renewed and reworked this pact to protect ourselves from political disempowerment, economic uncertainty, legal jeopardy, and physical violence. When the weight of the blood spilled by over 750,000 Americans shattered outright slavery, white America picked up the shards, fashioning them into a ramshackle but effective system of sharecropping, lynching, convict leasing, segregationist Jim Crow laws, restrictive immigration policies, appeals to “states’ rights,” voter suppression, and mass incarceration.”
-Robert P. Jones

The recipe for white success has been to pass laws and policies to exclude non whites, and then each time these racist laws and policies get reversed, develop more ways to circumvent these laws in order to maintain white advantage. Another one is to lie and repeat lies that create racial resentment about how equal opportunity hurts whites because less qualified non whites get jobs that whites get passed over for.

We don't need the white racist lecture. You don't even know what DEI is and all of your posts are pure racism. We don't need the white lecture about what to do in order to succeed. You have a white --- president who is a convicted felon, so you need to just STFU, because whites don't have what they do because of ANY of the things you say. If anybody has gotten what you think DEI is, it whites.

I know it was 'evil' white men who forged a Declaration of Independence and Constitution that would come to allow black people opportunity and riches they could have only imagined in other countries . And they risked their reputations, their fortunes, their very lives to achieve it.
I know the Republican Party was formed by white men in 1960 as an anti-slavery party.
It was mostly white men who fought a civil war that would result in an end to slavery.
I know it was a white man who led the charge to obtain the vote for the black man.
I know it was white men who voted to end slavery and mostly white men who voted to end segregation.
I know it has been mostly white men who have provided the opportunities to the black man to succeed, prosper, even become rich.

Because of the efforts of the white man on your behalf, you have never had to experience slavery or Jim Crow laws or any other of what needed to be corrected and was corrected long ago.

So long as you accuse people like me of holding you back or making success of black people much harder--so long as you accuse racism for the problems of the black man instead of the behavior of the black man, you are the problem. Not the white man.

So long as you ignore the efforts and risks of the white man to correct what needed to be corrected so that you could grow up with opportunities that would be unavailable to you had you been born in most countries in Africa, you are the problem. Not the white man.

I know exactly what DEI is and it is one of the most cruel things to force upon the black man in this day and time. And the fact that you apparently have no clue what it is makes you the problem. Not me or the white man.