Serious discussion on "Diversity, Equity, Inclusion"

[IM2]

Whites are hired because they can easily articulate the Enlish language…they can say ask and axe…they have people and communication skills…they don’t leave combs stuck in their hair…they wear their pants at waist level…they show up to work on time everyday and follow simple instructions. It’s not complicated

Whites are hired by people like you because they are white. Everything you just posted was racist jibberish.

 

[IM2]

The room? I prefer to just tell the truth..Which part of the truth hurts your feelings?

But you didn't tell the truth.

 

[Auld Phart]

America is now saying that a mistake was made, and the most qualified candidate is not in the white house. We have a WEI president. White, entitled, and Incompetant.

America is now saying that a mistake was made, and the most qualified candidate is not in the white house.

we haven't had a qualified candidate in the White House since GHW Bush.

 

[Foxfyre]

Not so fast. Teams with majority white players routinely beat teams with majority black players. Just today in the Big Ten Tournament Wisconsin started 3 white and 2 black players and beat U.C.L.A. who started 4 blacks and 1 white player.

Not to belabor the point, but the fact is proportionately there are far more black superstars in the NFL and NBA as well as in the NCAA. Going into March madness, This year Duke was/is the #1 AA men's basketball team in the country. This is their starting five most games:

Those guys in the photograph aren't there because they are black. They are there because they are extremely talented basketball players. They could just as easily have been white because their skin color is immaterial. They are the best of the best on the Duke team not because of their skin color but because they are so gifted.

And the fact is in many sports on average, there will be more gifted black people than white ones. That's just the way it is and that's okay.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I have read post after post at USMB, on X, on Facebook and elsewhere that:

1. Accuse Trump, Musk et al of racism, being Nazis, being fascists or whatever because they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition .

2. Insist that society benefits when DEI is the criteria for hiring, appointments, promotions even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well if diversity is based on skin color I offer this chart for consideration:



And if LGBTQX++++ is to be included as the goal for DEI it further begs the question.

What question?

THIS QUESTION:
How does choosing people based on skin color, sexual orientation, gender preference, ethnicity, etc. improve the quality of life for all Americans? Makes America more free, more secure, more efficient, more effective, more prosperous? How does it make the military better? Commerce and industry better? Those values important to most American better?

Can we keep this more or less on topic and civil?

Your argument starts out with two false premises:

1. ...they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition...

2. ...even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Your argument starts out with two false premises:

1. ...they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition...

2. ...even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Everything

Your argument starts out with two false premises:

1. ...they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition...

2. ...even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well try not editing my post so dishonestly and the premises won't be at all false.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That’s not necessarily what DEI means to all people.

It's not what it means at all.

 

[WelfareQueen]

I have read post after post at USMB, on X, on Facebook and elsewhere that:

1. Accuse Trump, Musk et al of racism, being Nazis, being fascists or whatever because they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition .

2. Insist that society benefits when DEI is the criteria for hiring, appointments, promotions even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well if diversity is based on skin color I offer this chart for consideration:



And if LGBTQX++++ is to be included as the goal for DEI it further begs the question.

What question?

THIS QUESTION:
How does choosing people based on skin color, sexual orientation, gender preference, ethnicity, etc. improve the quality of life for all Americans? Makes America more free, more secure, more efficient, more effective, more prosperous? How does it make the military better? Commerce and industry better? Those values important to most American better?

Can we keep this more or less on topic and civil?

Why is diversity more important than skill and competence? Answer: It is not.

Also, America was founded on the ideal of equality of opportunity, not outcome.

Not to belabor the point, but the fact is proportionately there are far more black superstars in the NFL and NBA as well as in the NCAA. Going into March madness, This year Duke was/is the #1 AA men's basketball team in the country. This is their starting five most games:

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Those guys in the photograph aren't there because they are black. They are there because they are extremely talented basketball players. They could just as easily have been white because their skin color is immaterial. They are the best of the best on the Duke team not because of their skin color but because they are so gifted.

And the fact is in many sports on average, there will be more gifted black people than white ones. That's just the way it is and that's okay.

The number one variable for economic and educational success is intelligence. This is regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity. This has been know in psychology and psychometrics for decades. Thousands of studies have confirmed this basic fact.

If you are bright, universities and employers want you. If you are not bright, your options become much more limited.

Oprah Winfrey, to use one example, is a billionaire because she is very bright, is a very good businesswoman, and is talented.

People who claim racism to explain their failures in life are sad. The facts do not support their biased assumptions.

 

[scruffy]

DEI is dead.

That's all anyone needs to know.

 

[Lumpy 1]

You understand every word that was posted. It's time you racists stopped being dishonest and just face the fact that DEI is necessary because YOU GUYS chose skin color over qualifications and that YOU GUYS still do.

DEI allows lunatics to imagine that their normal .. I tend to find that comical, it's like you imagining that your not a racist 24/7 ..

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So you are just gonna announce $h!t and not back it up?

That's what the OP did, I don't see you complaining about her.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Everything

Well try not editing my post so dishonestly and the premises won't be at all false.

I didn't nor would I ever edit your post, I just took excerpts of what is false.

Nonetheless since you complained, I have now taken a screenshot of your comment and highlighted the same segment of each item that I excerpted in my previous comment. Now we can all see easily what you said and the part that is FALSE:

And it's also dishonest to try to try to draw an equivalency between eye & hair color variations in the white race with diversity equity and inclusion as it pertains to things like hiring practices, college admissions, discrimination in public policies, etc.

 

[IM2]

The Rooney Rule was to make sure there were no artificial barriers to minorities qualifying for head coach positions It required NFL teams must interview at least one minority candidate for those positions It did not require that any team MUST hire a minority nor should its standards be reduced in any way to qualify a minority candidate. They called it DEI but it wasn't DEI at least as practiced in the Biden Administration.

For sure those NFL head coaches who happen to be men of color, not one can be accused of being the DEI hire. They all had the best qualifications for their jobs at the time.

DEI is about hiring qualified people of color. Only you racists have tried making that stale claim about unqualified people of color passing over better qualified whites. In the history of this nation unqualified whites have been hired before more qualified people of color time and time again.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Why do some whites not have the ability to understand that they have been the ones focusing on skin color? Why do some whites not understand that we see through your bs? You guys want to exclude everybody but whites again.

The majority of our focus is on your behavior. Which is honestly revolting.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

DEI is about hiring qualified people of color. Only you racists have tried making that stale claim about unqualified people of color passing over better qualified whites. In the history of this nation unqualified whites have been hired before more qualified people of color time and time again.

If that were true we wouldn’t have to keep lowering standards to reach those quotas.

 

[Mac1958]

When it's organic and natural, it can be great, setting America apart from everyone else.

When it's forced, artificial, mandated, required, enforced, and codified under penalty of punishment, not so much.

That's where the line is. And now we're seeing what happens when it is misapplied.

 

[IM2]

I just fu(king hired you.



I can't spell either. Sign up for spell check, then, $h!t gets underlined. You can't miss it.



If that were true you would have sourced it.



Haven't we already seen this tonight? I'm horrible and as such I can't possibly understand this yet for some reason you know that I'm horrible so I should pay you reparations.

Or...

You are such a loser in life that I should give you cash. You should lead with that.

Blah, blah, blah. This one tried all the tactics. Go back to school. Learn American history, and you will understand that for a minimum of now 249 years whites have given themselves everything because of their skin color. So you can just drop the gasighting boy, because no matter how many typos I have, I have been factually correct about every word I have said. Whites made America diverse when your ancestors floated over here. This is not a white country, and whites alone did not build or create everything in this country. Do not let me start on the patents whites got for copying things blacks did.

Onoy racist white losers are whining about things like DEI, and it is evil to have been given what you have because of your skin color than lecture everybody see about how wrong it is to do so. You really need to just STFU.

 

[IM2]

When it's organic and natural, it can be great, setting America apart from everyone else.

When it's forced, artificial, mandated, required, enforced, and codified under penalty of punishment, not so much.

That's where the line is. And now we're seeing what happens when it is misapplied.

Mac, please shut the fuck up. You think you sound intelligent but you really sound like a dumb ass. Nothing has been misapplied and until 60 years ago, what was forced, mandated, required, enforced, and codified under penalty of punishment was whites only rule. So while whites had 190 years to accumulate wealth and excluded others from doing so, they expect us to catch up in less than 1/3 of that time while constantly fighting a white backlash.

So tell us oh wise Mac1958, how do you erase damage created by laws favoring whites without considering the people affected by the damage?

Tell us Mac the wiseman how in the fuck has anything been misapplied when whites are less then 60 percent of the population but have 77 percent of the jobs?

You bend over backwards trying sound neutral and you don't know WTH you're talking about.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac, please shut the fuck up. You think you sound intelligent but you really sound like a dumb ass. Nothing has been misapplied and until 60 years ago, what was forced, mandated, required, enforced, and codified under penalty of punishment was whites only rule. So while whites had 190 years to accumulate wealth and excluded others from doing so, they expect us to catch up in less than 1/3 of that time while constantly fighting a white backlash.

So tell us oh wise Mac1958, how do you erase damage created by laws favoring whites without considering the people affected by the damage?

Tell us Mac the wiseman how in the fuck has anything been misapplied when whites are less then 60 percent of the population but have 77 percent of the jobs?

You bend over backwards trying sound neutral and you don't know wth you're talking about.

And I'll ask again:

Over the last 10 years, how's your way working out for you?

 

[IM2]

The majority of our focus is on your behavior. Which is honestly revolting.

I find that funny, because whites like you never pay attention to their own behavior. When you talk about revolting, ook in the mirror chump.