Seahawks SUCK !!!!

[Montrovant]

Lockett is having a great rookie season but not the kind of stats that powers that vote for Rookie of the Year are looking at. Winston has led Tampa Bay no where so I would consider him either. Cooper with 72 passing and over 1000 yards would be my pick.

I didn't say he should win the ROY. Just mentioned. He deserves at least that.

I'd guess he gets on the list, just doesn't win it.

I'm totally OK with that. Next season he will light it up as a receiver as well as SP returns. Not a problem. I think he should drive the Vikings crazy returning punts with the frozen field it will be VERY hard to get into position to tackle him. Lockett had his chances to make more out of his receiving skills ...just not enough of them. The Hawks didn't pass that much early on this season mostly due to the crappy play by the O-Line until the last games in the season.

I was shocked at the sudden tear Baldwin went on at the end of the year.

 

[HUGGY]

Lockett is having a great rookie season but not the kind of stats that powers that vote for Rookie of the Year are looking at. Winston has led Tampa Bay no where so I would consider him either. Cooper with 72 passing and over 1000 yards would be my pick.

I didn't say he should win the ROY. Just mentioned. He deserves at least that.

I'd guess he gets on the list, just doesn't win it.

I'm totally OK with that. Next season he will light it up as a receiver as well as SP returns. Not a problem. I think he should drive the Vikings crazy returning punts with the frozen field it will be VERY hard to get into position to tackle him. Lockett had his chances to make more out of his receiving skills ...just not enough of them. The Hawks didn't pass that much early on this season mostly due to the crappy play by the O-Line until the last games in the season.

I was shocked at the sudden tear Baldwin went on at the end of the year.

It was a product of the sudden tear Wilson went on in the last 6 games minus the fiasco of the Rams game where the miscues were ridiculous and consumed the first half. No team can blow off a whole half of football and expect to win. I do not expect the Hawks to repeat THAT in the playoffs.

 

[Papageorgio]

After getting voted NFC Special Teams player of the week for the AZ game Tyler Lockett was voted NFC Special Teams player of the month. This was the second month this season Lockett has won that accolade.

What a find by the Seahawks to draft Lockett. He has had an amazing rookie season.

Tyler has been a rock steady clutch receiver all season also.

IMO Lockett should be considered for rookie of the year.

I don't think he's been enough of a contributor as a starter to get the nod for ROY. He's been great for the Hawks, but other rookies have just played more. Amari Cooper, Jameis Winston and Todd Gurley have all been starters for most or all of the year, that will probably get them above Lockette.

I agree Lockette is behind Cooper, Winston and Gurley. Those three have done very well.

 

[HUGGY]

Doug Baldwin tied for the most TDs received in the NFL. How's THAT for "pedestrian"?

 

[antiquity]

I was shocked at the sudden tear Baldwin went on at the end of the year.

I wasn't....when Seattle lost both of their running backs Seattle went more with the passing game...it just stood to reason.

 

[Montrovant]

I was shocked at the sudden tear Baldwin went on at the end of the year.

I wasn't....when Seattle lost both of their running backs Seattle went more with the passing game...it just stood to reason.

I would have expected it to have spread to more receivers, or even have Lockett get the bulk of the work. That Baldwin was able to step it up so much was what I didn't expect.

 

[HUGGY]

I was shocked at the sudden tear Baldwin went on at the end of the year.

I wasn't....when Seattle lost both of their running backs Seattle went more with the passing game...it just stood to reason.

It started early in the season. The O-Line was thrown together and just given as much time as was needed to play as a viable unit. In the first ten or so games ..actually before Seattle's bye at 8 games into the season the O-Line started doing their jobs. Then they started to avoid the penalties. That's when Wilson began to get enough time to throw from the pocket.

Next season is looking pretty good for Seattle as Wilson will be able to carry on with an experienced O-LIne. If he gets the protection he has enjoyed in the last 6-7 games I wouldn't be surprised if he sets some records in passing and his receivers in catching passes.

I don't see Lynch having much if any impact next season but Rawls has proven he is more than capable of ripping it up in rushing. Depending on what F/A does to the Hawk Defense next year may be the best team the Hawks have ever fielded.

 

[HUGGY]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

 

[antiquity]

I was shocked at the sudden tear Baldwin went on at the end of the year.

I wasn't....when Seattle lost both of their running backs Seattle went more with the passing game...it just stood to reason.

It started early in the season. The O-Line was thrown together and just given as much time as was needed to play as a viable unit. In the first ten or so games ..actually before Seattle's bye at 8 games into the season the O-Line started doing their jobs. Then they started to avoid the penalties. That's when Wilson began to get enough time to throw from the pocket.

Next season is looking pretty good for Seattle as Wilson will be able to carry on with an experienced O-LIne. If he gets the protection he has enjoyed in the last 6-7 games I wouldn't be surprised if he sets some records in passing and his receivers in catching passes.

I don't see Lynch having much if any impact next season but Rawls has proven he is more than capable of ripping it up in rushing. Depending on what F/A does to the Hawk Defense next year may be the best team the Hawks have ever fielded.

If Seattle trades (dumps) Lynch (only 29..a year younger than AP but the way) it will because of his salary. Giving more money to players like Kam Chancellor and the like.

 

[antiquity]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

 

[HUGGY]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

 

[Montrovant]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

 

[antiquity]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

 

[Montrovant]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

 

[Montrovant]

Should Seahawk fans feel sorry for Vikings fans? Would they feel our pain if the situation was reversed?

I'm just glad the game is in the rear view mirror. Weird conditions. I would have much preferred a game where both teams could use the skills that got them to the playoffs.

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

Put another way, Blair Walsh was 32 of 33 on FGs inside of 30 yards prior to that game. I don't know if his one miss was a miss or a block. He also missed only 1 extra point in 109 attempts prior to the distance change this season.

I don't know if I can find stats on the Seahawks from inside the 5 or something like that, but I would guess the percentage is lower for them scoring TDs than Walsh's kicking percentage.

 

[HUGGY]

It was reversed last year at the end of the Super Bowl....and I don't remember any non Seattle fans feeling sorry for Seattle fans on this board.

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

Put another way, Blair Walsh was 32 of 33 on FGs inside of 30 yards prior to that game. I don't know if his one miss was a miss or a block. He also missed only 1 extra point in 109 attempts prior to the distance change this season.

I don't know if I can find stats on the Seahawks from inside the 5 or something like that, but I would guess the percentage is lower for them scoring TDs than Walsh's kicking percentage.

To put it another way. It was just a comment.

The point was not to make an exact statistical comparison. It was about the similar despair the losing fans experienced as each team snatched a loss from the jaws of victory in the last seconds of the games. There were exactly 26 seconds left in both games as the tables were tuned.

I was asking if Seattle fans should feel bad for the Vikings fans. I decided not as there were no consultation messages offer me or any that I saw from NE fans directed toward Seahawk fans.

 

[Montrovant]

Exactly! All I remember seeing was how GREAT Brady and NE played against a bunch of fill in's and injured players on Defense.

The FACT is that the 2nd down interception on the one yard line was similar to Walsh missing that easy FG. EVERYONE(almost) watching the last Super Bowl was pretty certain that the Seahawks would score and win the game. NE got lucky with probably the dumbest play/personnel call in Super Bowl History on the part of Daryll Bevell and Ricardo Lockette being the slant receiver with no experience as a slant receiver. Wilson led Lockette just a smidge too much long but I don't think he even saw Butler. Wilson hasn't thrown a similar pass even once this season. That and facing dozens of 2nd and ones.

Did HUGGY get even the smallest condolence? Negatory.

The truth remains the same. If you want to be the champ you must beat the champ. The Vikings were not up to the task and neither will be the Panthers.

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

Put another way, Blair Walsh was 32 of 33 on FGs inside of 30 yards prior to that game. I don't know if his one miss was a miss or a block. He also missed only 1 extra point in 109 attempts prior to the distance change this season.

I don't know if I can find stats on the Seahawks from inside the 5 or something like that, but I would guess the percentage is lower for them scoring TDs than Walsh's kicking percentage.

To put it another way. It was just a comment.

The point was not to make an exact statistical comparison. It was about the similar despair the losing fans experienced as each team snatched a loss from the jaws of victory in the last seconds of the games. There were exactly 26 seconds left in both games as the tables were tuned.

I was asking if Seattle fans should feel bad for the Vikings fans. I decided not as there were no consultation messages offer me or any that I saw from NE fans directed toward Seahawk fans.

What you did was compare the plays as being about luck. Seattle did not block the kick, nor disrupt it particularly. It was bad play by the Vikings. New England called the correct play on defense in the Super Bowl, their player made a great play, it wasn't just some duck thrown by Wilson into the Patriots' hands, the Hawks receiver didn't fall down on the play, nothing like that. As usual you refuse to give credit to the Patriots for the play.

The difference between the plays, the huge difference, is that New England absolutely deserves credit for the Super Bowl play and absolutely it was a good defensive play that made it happen, while in the Vikings game the Seahawks did nothing special to cause the miss, it was just a bad kick.

Fans of every team that lose a close game in the last seconds are upset. You compared the two plays as both being nothing but luck, which is, again, where calling you a homer comes in.

 

[HUGGY]

That you can compare the SB play to the missed Walsh field goal shows just how much of a homer you are.

Maybe you could look up the percentage of FGs made from 27 yards in NFL history and compare it to the percentage of TDs scored on 2nd and goal from the 1 plays and compare them.

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

Put another way, Blair Walsh was 32 of 33 on FGs inside of 30 yards prior to that game. I don't know if his one miss was a miss or a block. He also missed only 1 extra point in 109 attempts prior to the distance change this season.

I don't know if I can find stats on the Seahawks from inside the 5 or something like that, but I would guess the percentage is lower for them scoring TDs than Walsh's kicking percentage.

To put it another way. It was just a comment.

The point was not to make an exact statistical comparison. It was about the similar despair the losing fans experienced as each team snatched a loss from the jaws of victory in the last seconds of the games. There were exactly 26 seconds left in both games as the tables were tuned.

I was asking if Seattle fans should feel bad for the Vikings fans. I decided not as there were no consultation messages offer me or any that I saw from NE fans directed toward Seahawk fans.

What you did was compare the plays as being about luck. Seattle did not block the kick, nor disrupt it particularly. It was bad play by the Vikings. New England called the correct play on defense in the Super Bowl, their player made a great play, it wasn't just some duck thrown by Wilson into the Patriots' hands, the Hawks receiver didn't fall down on the play, nothing like that. As usual you refuse to give credit to the Patriots for the play.

The difference between the plays, the huge difference, is that New England absolutely deserves credit for the Super Bowl play and absolutely it was a good defensive play that made it happen, while in the Vikings game the Seahawks did nothing special to cause the miss, it was just a bad kick.

Fans of every team that lose a close game in the last seconds are upset. You compared the two plays as both being nothing but luck, which is, again, where calling you a homer comes in.

The kick previous to the missed kick was almost blocked by Sherman. Richard missed the block by less than an inch. The Vikings kicker did not shank or miss kick the ball. It went straight. I'm thinking he kicked the ball to the left of center intentionally to prevent the ball being blocked. But....

You are STILL missing the point I was making.

I couldn't care less if you think I am a "homer". Obviously I am a fan of the Hawks. That's not up for debate nor is it a secret.

I WAS TALKING ONLY ABOUT IF SEAHAWK FANS SHOULD HAVE EMPATHY FOR VIKINGS FANS BECAUSE OF THE GUT WRENCHING TURN OF EVENTS AND THEIR LOSS.

In BOTH situations the Hawks and the Vikings were mere seconds from an almost certain victory. Whether one situation was more or less almost certain is irrelevant to the point I was attempting to make.

BOTH teams made mistakes that caused their losses. The Hawks could have called a different play featuring different personnel such as a fake inside run with Wilson operating the dive/run/option with him running around one or the other end and keeping the ball. THAT play has been used MANY times and almost always successful. The Viking kicker could have just frigging kicked the ball straight. Again THAT is not the debate I was attempting to inspire.

I was simply questioning if Hawk fans should offer some kind of condolences towards Vikings fans. As I recall the NE fans here and at the other sites I view offered no such empathy.

Do you get it YET??? Probably not. I'm guessing you get lost frequently. Even with maps and GPS available...simply because you ignorantly believe you are right in all circumstances.

 

[Montrovant]

None of what you just posted make one lick of sense....Being a fan of your team makes one a homer? Please come up with those 2 yard passes with a 2nd and goal stats and I will be more able to compare. Missing and comparing a 27 yard field goal with a 2 yard pass in the Super Bowl is apples and oranges.

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

Put another way, Blair Walsh was 32 of 33 on FGs inside of 30 yards prior to that game. I don't know if his one miss was a miss or a block. He also missed only 1 extra point in 109 attempts prior to the distance change this season.

I don't know if I can find stats on the Seahawks from inside the 5 or something like that, but I would guess the percentage is lower for them scoring TDs than Walsh's kicking percentage.

To put it another way. It was just a comment.

The point was not to make an exact statistical comparison. It was about the similar despair the losing fans experienced as each team snatched a loss from the jaws of victory in the last seconds of the games. There were exactly 26 seconds left in both games as the tables were tuned.

I was asking if Seattle fans should feel bad for the Vikings fans. I decided not as there were no consultation messages offer me or any that I saw from NE fans directed toward Seahawk fans.

What you did was compare the plays as being about luck. Seattle did not block the kick, nor disrupt it particularly. It was bad play by the Vikings. New England called the correct play on defense in the Super Bowl, their player made a great play, it wasn't just some duck thrown by Wilson into the Patriots' hands, the Hawks receiver didn't fall down on the play, nothing like that. As usual you refuse to give credit to the Patriots for the play.

The difference between the plays, the huge difference, is that New England absolutely deserves credit for the Super Bowl play and absolutely it was a good defensive play that made it happen, while in the Vikings game the Seahawks did nothing special to cause the miss, it was just a bad kick.

Fans of every team that lose a close game in the last seconds are upset. You compared the two plays as both being nothing but luck, which is, again, where calling you a homer comes in.

The kick previous to the missed kick was almost blocked by Sherman. Richard missed the block by less than an inch. The Vikings kicker did not shank or miss kick the ball. It went straight. I'm thinking he kicked the ball to the left of center intentionally to prevent the ball being blocked. But....

You are STILL missing the point I was making.

I couldn't care less if you think I am a "homer". Obviously I am a fan of the Hawks. That's not up for debate nor is it a secret.

I WAS TALKING ONLY ABOUT IF SEAHAWK FANS SHOULD HAVE EMPATHY FOR VIKINGS FANS BECAUSE OF THE GUT WRENCHING TURN OF EVENTS AND THEIR LOSS.

In BOTH situations the Hawks and the Vikings were mere seconds from an almost certain victory. Whether one situation was more or less almost certain is irrelevant to the point I was attempting to make.

BOTH teams made mistakes that caused their losses. The Hawks could have called a different play featuring different personnel such as a fake inside run with Wilson operating the dive/run/option with him running around one or the other end and keeping the ball. THAT play has been used MANY times and almost always successful. The Viking kicker could have just frigging kicked the ball straight. Again THAT is not the debate I was attempting to inspire.

I was simply questioning if Hawk fans should offer some kind of condolences towards Vikings fans. As I recall the NE fans here and at the other sites I view offered no such empathy.

Do you get it YET??? Probably not. I'm guessing you get lost frequently. Even with maps and GPS available...simply because you ignorantly believe you are right in all circumstances.

What point you are trying to make doesn't change the fact that you went about it by comparing the two plays as being based on luck. What, do you think the only thing that matters is the main point of your post and all the details should just be ignored?

 

[HUGGY]

No, saying that a kicker missing a 27 yard FG is similar to an interception on 2nd and goal makes him a homer. A 27 yard field goal is a gimme. Missing it is shocking because of how unexpected it is. While an interception on 2nd and goal isn't common, it's far less of a sure thing that a team will get a touchdown in that situation than that a kicker will make that short FG.

As a fan of neither of those teams, the missed FG was far more unexpected than Seattle not getting the TD.

Put another way, Blair Walsh was 32 of 33 on FGs inside of 30 yards prior to that game. I don't know if his one miss was a miss or a block. He also missed only 1 extra point in 109 attempts prior to the distance change this season.

I don't know if I can find stats on the Seahawks from inside the 5 or something like that, but I would guess the percentage is lower for them scoring TDs than Walsh's kicking percentage.

To put it another way. It was just a comment.

The point was not to make an exact statistical comparison. It was about the similar despair the losing fans experienced as each team snatched a loss from the jaws of victory in the last seconds of the games. There were exactly 26 seconds left in both games as the tables were tuned.

I was asking if Seattle fans should feel bad for the Vikings fans. I decided not as there were no consultation messages offer me or any that I saw from NE fans directed toward Seahawk fans.

What you did was compare the plays as being about luck. Seattle did not block the kick, nor disrupt it particularly. It was bad play by the Vikings. New England called the correct play on defense in the Super Bowl, their player made a great play, it wasn't just some duck thrown by Wilson into the Patriots' hands, the Hawks receiver didn't fall down on the play, nothing like that. As usual you refuse to give credit to the Patriots for the play.

The difference between the plays, the huge difference, is that New England absolutely deserves credit for the Super Bowl play and absolutely it was a good defensive play that made it happen, while in the Vikings game the Seahawks did nothing special to cause the miss, it was just a bad kick.

Fans of every team that lose a close game in the last seconds are upset. You compared the two plays as both being nothing but luck, which is, again, where calling you a homer comes in.

The kick previous to the missed kick was almost blocked by Sherman. Richard missed the block by less than an inch. The Vikings kicker did not shank or miss kick the ball. It went straight. I'm thinking he kicked the ball to the left of center intentionally to prevent the ball being blocked. But....

You are STILL missing the point I was making.

I couldn't care less if you think I am a "homer". Obviously I am a fan of the Hawks. That's not up for debate nor is it a secret.

I WAS TALKING ONLY ABOUT IF SEAHAWK FANS SHOULD HAVE EMPATHY FOR VIKINGS FANS BECAUSE OF THE GUT WRENCHING TURN OF EVENTS AND THEIR LOSS.

In BOTH situations the Hawks and the Vikings were mere seconds from an almost certain victory. Whether one situation was more or less almost certain is irrelevant to the point I was attempting to make.

BOTH teams made mistakes that caused their losses. The Hawks could have called a different play featuring different personnel such as a fake inside run with Wilson operating the dive/run/option with him running around one or the other end and keeping the ball. THAT play has been used MANY times and almost always successful. The Viking kicker could have just frigging kicked the ball straight. Again THAT is not the debate I was attempting to inspire.

I was simply questioning if Hawk fans should offer some kind of condolences towards Vikings fans. As I recall the NE fans here and at the other sites I view offered no such empathy.

Do you get it YET??? Probably not. I'm guessing you get lost frequently. Even with maps and GPS available...simply because you ignorantly believe you are right in all circumstances.

What point you are trying to make doesn't change the fact that you went about it by comparing the two plays as being based on luck. What, do you think the only thing that matters is the main point of your post and all the details should just be ignored?

Where did I post that both play's outcomes were based on luck? The only thing for sure is that both plays had unexpected last second outcomes. Both team's fans were pretty sure they had the game won. Both teams ended with losses. Should the Hawk's fans be any more empathetic than the NE fans were to the Hawk's faithful? THAT is the ONLY point I was attempting to bring up. All that minutia won't change how the fans should deal with the loss...or the win. Recent history suggests that the winners shouldn't give a damn what the loser's are going though.