Lions Rudely Ejected From Playoffs!

[leftwinger]

Boy, the Colts sure have fallen through the floor. At one time considered the strongest team in the NFL earlier this season with a 98% probability of going to the playoffs, it was down to 5% at game time, even with then taking on Phil Rivers.

Same as 1975 STL. Started 7-0, 7-+ or 8-0?

So you think WR's are/should be allowed to just run into DB's down the field blocking them on pass plays? My first statement stands then.

Holding could be called on every play but isn't. That doesn't mean holding isn't "illegal". The refs had already established that they were going to call this play a penalty when they negated a Steeler's TD earlier in the game. If you run pick plays down on the goal line you run the risk of getting this penalty called on the play, especially if you run them the way the Lions did on that play. Will that vary from game to game? Probably, but you can't be mad when it's called because you are intentionally committing a foul, you know when you craft the play that it's on the board that it will be called.

Should the Steelers be mad that they called DPI on 4 and 2, 2 or 3 plays earlier during the same drive? If they had "let them play" and the penalty is not called would have ended the game. Should they be mad when they called tripping the play after that? That's 30 yards the Lions picked up. Should they be mad that the OPI that was called which negated the DK Metcalf TD and they had to settle for a FG early in the 4th quarter?

I just wondering when the "let them play" time starts because there were less than 2 minutes left in the game at that point.

You keep ignoring the actual facts.
Again, on the first one the DB was lost, out of the play. Trailing the WR in heavy traffic. Two PITT DB blocking the other WR route. Bad defense? Bad setup?

One could say (me and experts) that play was a gimme TD against a DB out of position. Bailed out by the refs.

The second one was a ticky tacky BS they ignore all season. Clue #1, DB flags his arm up like a soccer or QB flop. Oh he almost injured me! There was nothing there.

Refs should not decide games unless egrigious (like the trip). I did not see the PITT offensive PI. I saw the trip. I had forgotten you couldn't do that. The QB was taken completely down. Not tricky tacky.

The league and refs are on the Rogers storyline. They want them in the playoffs. All they could do to push them along.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Mac Jones played as well as Purdy until he was injured.

Based on what?

 

[Couchpotato]

Based on what?

Wins and stats?

Purdy averages 53 million a year

Jones averages 7 million a year.

Is Purdy 7.5 times better than Jones in the Shanahan offense?

Their stats are relatively close as are their wins. Purdy's are a little better but they arent THAT much better and Jones was playing hurt in most of those games if I recall correctly. Do you really think the 49er's would have lost many more games had a healthy Jones started all their games and they had 53 million dollars to spend on other positions? Im not sure they would have won fewer if they played with Jones and they didnt spend that money.

Purdy has wins over

Seattle
Arizona
Carolina
Clevland
Tenn
Indy with old man Rivers at QB and their biggest weakness when health (secondary) ravaged by injury.

Maybe Jones doesnt get that win over Seattle but it wasn't exactly Purdy's best game he threw 2 picks and they only scored 17 points in the game.

I'm not sure why you get your panties in a bunch over me saying Purdy is over paid.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Wins and stats?

Purdy averages 53 million a year

Jones averages 7 million a year.

Is Purdy 7.5 times better than Jones in the Shanahan offense?

I'm not even talking about money. I think the entire quarterback market is ridiculous. You can make the argument that the 49ers would be better off paying a cheaper guy like Mac Jones and use the rest of the money to bolster the rest of the roster, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. My only issue with that is that, historically, that doesn't work out very well for teams with aspirations to win a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer's Ravens showed that it could be done, but it's very, very difficult. Hence why the quarterback market is so inflated.

Their stats are relatively close as are their wins. Purdy's are a little better but they arent THAT much better and Jones was playing hurt in most of those games if I recall correctly. Do you really think the 49er's would have lost many more games had a healthy Jones started all their games and they had 53 million dollars to spend on other positions? Im not sure they would have won fewer if they played with Jones and they didnt spend that money.

Purdy has only lost one game this year. He has a better record, better stats, and has done better historically. I don't know why you would think that they're about the same. Purdy is clearly better. Whether he's worth the money or not is debatable though.

You mentioned that Mac Jones played hurt for a few games. Why does Mac Jones get a pass for playing while hurt but Purdy doesn't? Purdy played like shit in the game he lost...because he was hurt. He tried to rush back from his turf toe injury and clearly wasn't ready yet. He finished the game and then went on to miss several more games to properly heal.

 

[Couchpotato]

I'm not even talking about money. I think the entire quarterback market is ridiculous. You can make the argument that the 49ers would be better off paying a cheaper guy like Mac Jones and use the rest of the money to bolster the rest of the roster, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. My only issue with that is that, historically, that doesn't work out very well for teams with aspirations to win a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer's Ravens showed that it could be done, but it's very, very difficult. Hence why the quarterback market is so inflated.



Purdy has only lost one game this year. He has a better record, better stats, and has done better historically. I don't know why you would think that they're about the same. Purdy is clearly better. Whether he's worth the money or not is debatable though.

You mentioned that Mac Jones played hurt for a few games. Why does Mac Jones get a pass for playing while hurt but Purdy doesn't? Purdy played like shit in the game he lost...because he was hurt. He tried to rush back from his turf toe injury and clearly wasn't ready yet. He finished the game and then went on to miss several more games to properly heal.

Im not making the argument that Jones is better than Purdy. He's not. Purdy's record is better but he's played fewer teams and the teams he's played arent as good as the ones Jones has played.

Purdy has played 2 good teams Seattle and Jax, and went 1-1. Threw 4 TD's and 4 picks in those games. If you want to throw Carolina in there I wouldn't argue too hard but Im personally not sold on them. That said Purdy played awful in that game 1 TD and 3 picks. So he's not played well against good teams this year. He's looked amazing against the bottom feeders of the NFL, Arizona, Cleveland, Tenn. Indy was good at the start of the year(currently on a 5 game skid and lost 6 of the last 7) but their secondary was their major flaw which is why they gave up 2 1sts for Sauce but he's hurt as is much of their starters in the secondary who weren't very good to begin with.

Jones has played Rams x2, Houston and Tampa (on same tier as Carolina) won 1 and lost 3 of those games but Jones played well in 3 of the 4 games the exception being Tampa. 7 TD's 4 picks over those games.

All that said Purdy makes 7.5 times as much as Jones. Is he 7 times as good?

He makes more than Mahomes, Jackson, Stafford, Herbert and Hurts. Is he better than those QB's? Are you taking Purdy over any of them in a straight trade? Maybe Hurts?

Purdy is closer to Baker Mayfield than he is to Josh Allen or Mahomes and should be paid like him. 35 million not 53.

 

[leftwinger]

Im not making the argument that Jones is better than Purdy. He's not. Purdy's record is better but he's played fewer teams and the teams he's played arent as good as the ones Jones has played.

Purdy has played 2 good teams Seattle and Jax, and went 1-1. Threw 4 TD's and 4 picks in those games. If you want to throw Carolina in there I wouldn't argue too hard but Im personally not sold on them. That said Purdy played awful in that game 1 TD and 3 picks. So he's not played well against good teams this year. He's looked amazing against the bottom feeders of the NFL, Arizona, Cleveland, Tenn. Indy was good at the start of the year(currently on a 5 game skid and lost 6 of the last 7) but their secondary was their major flaw which is why they gave up 2 1sts for Sauce but he's hurt as is much of their starters in the secondary who weren't very good to begin with.

Jones has played Rams x2, Houston and Tampa (on same tier as Carolina) won 1 and lost 3 of those games but Jones played well in 3 of the 4 games the exception being Tampa. 7 TD's 4 picks over those games.

All that said Purdy makes 7.5 times as much as Jones. Is he 7 times as good?

He makes more than Mahomes, Jackson, Stafford, Herbert and Hurts. Is he better than those QB's? Are you taking Purdy over any of them in a straight trade? Maybe Hurts?

Purdy is closer to Baker Mayfield than he is to Josh Allen or Mahomes and should be paid like him. 35 million not 53.

He looked good with 5TD to 5 different WR against Indy just now. I was somewhat surprised how good he was. Very decisive, quick decisions.

Indy who just played dead even against SEA the week before? So that makes him 5 times better than Darnold in the Stats fixation world?

 

[toobfreak]

On the lighter side, the drama continues with DK Metcalf since that Detroit game.

CBS noticed Metcalf over at the stands during the game arguing with a fan. Finally, it looked like DK threw a punch or shoved him, pulled on his blue hair or something. Oddly, the Refs didn't notice, the Steelers team didn't notice, the stadium security did not notice, and the police didn't notice. Had CBS not caught it and put it on national TV, no one would be the wiser.

Here's the kicker: the fan was the same guy who supposedly called Metcalf a disparaging racial name the year before while he was playing the Seahawks. This fan was not ejected then and no one has even talked to much less ejected this guy still now.

Metcalf is currently the Steeler's main receiver.

The NFL has refused DK's appeal. They never even talked to the fan. They have summarily ruled that DK get a 2 game suspension costing him 5.5 million and now the fan is suing him as well. And because Metcalf was suspended, it voids a clause in his contract and now, if he gets injured next year, he loses all salary guarantees and if he gets hurt, the Steelers can just drop him like a potato, no money owed, though for now, the Steelers claim they are behind him.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Im not making the argument that Jones is better than Purdy. He's not.

No, you said that Mac Jones has played as well as Purdy. He hasn’t.

Purdy's record is better but he's played fewer teams and the teams he's played arent as good as the ones Jones has played.

Purdy has played 2 good teams Seattle and Jax, and went 1-1. Threw 4 TD's and 4 picks in those games. If you want to throw Carolina in there I wouldn't argue too hard but Im personally not sold on them. That said Purdy played awful in that game 1 TD and 3 picks. So he's not played well against good teams this year. He's looked amazing against the bottom feeders of the NFL, Arizona, Cleveland, Tenn. Indy was good at the start of the year(currently on a 5 game skid and lost 6 of the last 7) but their secondary was their major flaw which is why they gave up 2 1sts for Sauce but he's hurt as is much of their starters in the secondary who weren't very good to begin with.

Jones has played Rams x2, Houston and Tampa (on same tier as Carolina) won 1 and lost 3 of those games but Jones played well in 3 of the 4 games the exception being Tampa. 7 TD's 4 picks over those games.

I'm not impressed by putting up better numbers in games that they lost. That's just stat-padding. In each of those 3 losses by Mac Jones, they lost by multiple scores. I'll take the guy who wins games. Brock Purdy is 2-1 against playoff caliber teams (with his 1 loss being while he was still hurt, which only seems to matter if it's Mac Jones that's hurt lol). Mac Jones is 1-3. I'm pretty sure you would agree that wins are what matters, and you would be criticizing Purdy if he was losing games while putting up better numbers.

All that said Purdy makes 7.5 times as much as Jones. Is he 7 times as good?

He makes more than Mahomes, Jackson, Stafford, Herbert and Hurts. Is he better than those QB's? Are you taking Purdy over any of them in a straight trade? Maybe Hurts?

Purdy is closer to Baker Mayfield than he is to Josh Allen or Mahomes and should be paid like him. 35 million not 53.

I already addressed the salary component. I don't think the market for quarterbacks makes any sense. Mahomes should be the highest paid quarterback and he's nowhere close to it. Several players make more than him, including Purdy, which doesn't make sense to me.

Speaking of which, your Chiefs are actually saving a lot of money with Mahomes compared to what they should be paying him, and they still couldn't even make the playoffs with him healthy? Would you agree that they have him at a nice discount compared to what the rest of the league is paying for quarterbacks? They're able to use that saved money to, like you said, bolster up the rest of the team. A cheap Mahomes salary, a healthy Mahomes, lots of money to spend elsewhere, and they still couldn't even get into the playoffs? Hmmm, what's up with that?

 

[leftwinger]

On the lighter side, the drama continues with DK Metcalf since that Detroit game.

CBS noticed Metcalf over at the stands during the game arguing with a fan. Finally, it looked like DK threw a punch or shoved him, pulled on his blue hair or something. Oddly, the Refs didn't notice, the Steelers team didn't notice, the stadium security did not notice, and the police didn't notice. Had CBS not caught it and put it on national TV, no one would be the wiser.

Here's the kicker: the fan was the same guy who supposedly called Metcalf a disparaging racial name the year before while he was playing the Seahawks. This fan was not ejected then and no one has even talked to much less ejected this guy still now.

Metcalf is currently the Steeler's main receiver.

The NFL has refused DK's appeal. They never even talked to the fan. They have summarily ruled that DK get a 2 game suspension costing him 5.5 million and now the fan is suing him as well. And because Metcalf was suspended, it voids a clause in his contract and now, if he gets injured next year, he loses all salary guarantees and if he gets hurt, the Steelers can just drop him like a potato, no money owed, though for now, the Steelers claim they are behind him.

All well and good but a fan recorded it too from nearby with audio. It was nothing. The punch was more of a love tap, a warning.

I am on record in the Metcalf thread tired of fans trying to win a payday. Metcalf had no business over there perhaps lol!

Also Tired of black thugs always claiming someone said the N word too as justification for beating some 159lb kid into intensive care after a sucker punch.

I don't even know if Metcalf tried that tired old defense line in this case. But he didn't "hit" that annoying fan anyways.? This is no harm no foul play ball. Everyone sucketh so bad.

Metcalf may not be worth the money he expects. Steelers might wise up?

 

[toobfreak]

All well and good but a fan recorded it too from nearby with audio. It was nothing. The punch was more of a love tap, a warning.
But he didn't "hit" that annoying fan anyways.? This is no harm no foul play ball.

Well, the NFL has suspended him pending no appeals. So I suppose if this guy sues, Metcalf will have to bring up the guy stalking him, instigating him, the failure of security or the NFL to do anything to intervene, and this other fan's video. At the time, I thought maybe Metcalf had pulled his hair maybe.

But no matter, the NFL controls the situation and they'll likely argue that ultimately, Metcalf had no business over at the stands arguing with fans. Touching fans is verboten.

Metcalf may not be worth ghe money he expects. Steelers might wise up?

Yeah, he might be the highest paid receiver in the NFL. The Steeler defense is the highest paid, and so far, it hasn't paid off for much.

 

[Couchpotato]

He looked good with 5TD to 5 different WR against Indy just now. I was somewhat surprised how good he was. Very decisive, quick decisions.

Indy who just played dead even against SEA the week before? So that makes him 5 times better than Darnold in the Stats fixation world?

I've not said Purdy isn't a good QB I said he was overpaid. Indy is the 31st ranked defense against the pass. The only team worse than them is the Cowboys. That means they are better against the pass than Cincy for crying out loud. Indy has lost 5 straight and 6 of their last 7 games. They are a bad team. So if you want to measure Purdy's worth based on his performance against the bottom feeders of the NFL have at it I guess.

 

[Couchpotato]

No, you said that Mac Jones has played as well as Purdy. He hasn’t.




I'm not impressed by putting up better numbers in games that they lost. That's just stat-padding. In each of those 3 losses by Mac Jones, they lost by multiple scores. I'll take the guy who wins games. Brock Purdy is 2-1 against playoff caliber teams (with his 1 loss being while he was still hurt, which only seems to matter if it's Mac Jones that's hurt lol). Mac Jones is 1-3. I'm pretty sure you would agree that wins are what matters, and you would be criticizing Purdy if he was losing games while putting up better numbers.




I already addressed the salary component. I don't think the market for quarterbacks makes any sense. Mahomes should be the highest paid quarterback and he's nowhere close to it. Several players make more than him, including Purdy, which doesn't make sense to me.

Speaking of which, your Chiefs are actually saving a lot of money with Mahomes compared to what they should be paying him, and they still couldn't even make the playoffs with him healthy? Would you agree that they have him at a nice discount compared to what the rest of the league is paying for quarterbacks? They're able to use that saved money to, like you said, bolster up the rest of the team. A cheap Mahomes salary, a healthy Mahomes, lots of money to spend elsewhere, and they still couldn't even get into the playoffs? Hmmm, what's up with that?

Lets frame it this way.

You are starting a team right now. Below is a list of the better QB's in the league. Which ones are you taking Purdy over? Assuming they will all play at their current levels for the next 3 years. It's fine to assume the younger guys will grow a bit as reach their potential. But the vets are likely at theirs. Williams vs Prescott as an example Fair?

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Jackson
Herbert
Hurts
Prescott
Stroud
Williams
Darnold
Stafford
Goff
Nix
Lawrence
Love
Mayfield

Shanahan's offence makes QB's look better than they are. Happened with Jimmy G and Mac Jones why wouldn't you assume it happens with Purdy? Again that's not me saying Purdy isnt a good QB it's me saying because of the play caller/offensive design it makes QB's look better than they are, which is what's happened with Purdy. What happened when Jimmy G left SF? Did he go on to do great things on another team?

 

[leftwinger]

I've not said Purdy isn't a good QB I said he was overpaid. Indy is the 31st ranked defense against the pass. The only team worse than them is the Cowboys. That means they are better against the pass than Cincy for crying out loud. Indy has lost 5 straight and 6 of their last 7 games. They are a bad team. So if you want to measure Purdy's worth based on his performance against the bottom feeders of the NFL have at it I guess.

But the week before they held SEA under twenty at SEA. So I though they may have lighted the ship somewhat for a playoff run. They were 8-6 before the 49rs game. That's all.

 

[Couchpotato]

But the week before they held SEA under twenty at SEA. So I though they may have lighted the ship somewhat for a playoff run. They were 8-6 before the 49rs game. That's all.

Sure but they had lost 4 in a row and 5 of their last 6 prior to the 49rs game..... We are in week 17. Last weeks game didnt drop Indy from mid level pass defense to the bottom. They are and have been bad all year.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Lets frame it this way.

You are starting a team right now. Below is a list of the better QB's in the league. Which ones are you taking Purdy over? Assuming they will all play at their current levels for the next 3 years. It's fine to assume the younger guys will grow a bit as reach their potential. But the vets are likely at theirs. Williams vs Prescott as an example Fair?

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Jackson
Herbert
Hurts
Prescott
Stroud
Williams
Darnold
Stafford
Goff
Nix
Lawrence
Love
Mayfield

Shanahan's offence makes QB's look better than they are. Happened with Jimmy G and Mac Jones why wouldn't you assume it happens with Purdy? Again that's not me saying Purdy isnt a good QB it's me saying because of the play caller/offensive design it makes QB's look better than they are, which is what's happened with Purdy. What happened when Jimmy G left SF? Did he go on to do great things on another team?

What does any of this have to do with you saying that Mac Jones has played as well as Purdy?

He hasn’t.

 

[leftwinger]

Lets frame it this way.

You are starting a team right now. Below is a list of the better QB's in the league. Which ones are you taking Purdy over? Assuming they will all play at their current levels for the next 3 years. It's fine to assume the younger guys will grow a bit as reach their potential. But the vets are likely at theirs. Williams vs Prescott as an example Fair?

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Jackson
Herbert
Hurts
Prescott
Stroud
Williams
Darnold
Stafford
Goff
Nix
Lawrence
Love
Mayfield

Shanahan's offence makes QB's look better than they are. Happened with Jimmy G and Mac Jones why wouldn't you assume it happens with Purdy? Again that's not me saying Purdy isnt a good QB it's me saying because of the play caller/offensive design it makes QB's look better than they are, which is what's happened with Purdy. What happened when Jimmy G left SF? Did he go on to do great things on another team?

The Purdy I saw the other night appeared to be top ten, top 5? easy. Better than media darling Lamar at this point in time. Without any doubt.

 

[Couchpotato]

What does any of this have to do with you saying that Mac Jones has played as well as Purdy?

He hasn’t.

Miss the point more. Mac Jones sucks he’s the worst QB to ever wear a football uniform ever at any level. Also Brock Purdy is still overpaid.

 

[Couchpotato]

The Purdy I saw the other night appeared to be top ten, top 5? easy. Better than media darling Lamar at this point in time. Without any doubt.

So you are taking Purdy over 2 time MVP and reigning all pro Lamar Jackson?

 

[leftwinger]

Your list is not in order?

No way Stafford is down there. The way he's played this year is probably #1.

Herbert, even Kawrence, Love need to go up.

 

[Couchpotato]

Your list is not in order?

No way Stafford is down there. The way he's played this year is probably #1.

Herbert, even Kawrence, Love need to go up.

No