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Scientific foreknowledge in the bible ?

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What Christian understands the Bible in whole? Not even the religious Pharisees, who could quote the scriptures from memory, could understand the symbolism in the prophecies. Only God knows why He used symbolism in the prophecies.

I haven't met a religious Christian yet with any knowledge of God to interpret the prophecies correctly.

If that was the case why would God provide it ?

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

The Romans who produced the new testament after killing all the true saints didn't understand this verse either.

2 Timothy is part of the new testament. Basically TW is saying that the people who wrote the NT didn't even know what they were writing. :cuckoo:
 

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What is your point ?

You have to understand the bible in whole to get to accurate meanings of some verses. I don't believe these verses are implying what you think.

What Christian understands the Bible in whole? Not even the religious Pharisees, who could quote the scriptures from memory, could understand the symbolism in the prophecies. Only God knows why He used symbolism in the prophecies.

I haven't met a religious Christian yet with any knowledge of God to interpret the prophecies correctly.

If that was the case why would God provide it ?
We know with confidence that men wrote the various bibles.

Why would you suggest that one or more gawds provided anything?



2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

The argument is that the bible is wrong in many places, and has evidence to support that claim. Thus there are any number of questions to be posed regarding gawds who would provide false, incorrect and blatantly wrong data in "their" holy books.
 
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What Christian understands the Bible in whole? Not even the religious Pharisees, who could quote the scriptures from memory, could understand the symbolism in the prophecies. Only God knows why He used symbolism in the prophecies.

I haven't met a religious Christian yet with any knowledge of God to interpret the prophecies correctly.


We know with confidence that men wrote the various bibles.

Why would you suggest that one or more gawds provided anything?



2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

The argument is that the bible is wrong in many places, and has evidence to support that claim. Thus there are any number of questions to be posed regarding gawds who would provide false, incorrect and blatantly wrong data in "their" holy books.

Scientific foreknowledge contained in the scriptures at the time of the writing could not have been known by man and was confirmed through modern day science.
 

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We know with confidence that men wrote the various bibles.

Why would you suggest that one or more gawds provided anything?





The argument is that the bible is wrong in many places, and has evidence to support that claim. Thus there are any number of questions to be posed regarding gawds who would provide false, incorrect and blatantly wrong data in "their" holy books.

Scientific foreknowledge contained in the scriptures at the time of the writing could not have been known by man and was confirmed through modern day science.

There is no "scientific knowledge" in any of the bibles that was not already known at the time various, unknown authors wrote the bibles.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that your goofy claims are typically absent any supportive evidence.
 
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Scientific foreknowledge contained in the scriptures at the time of the writing could not have been known by man and was confirmed through modern day science.

There is no "scientific knowledge" in any of the bibles that was not already known at the time various, unknown authors wrote the bibles.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that your goofy claims are typically absent any supportive evidence.

Oh yeah it's there, another desperate attempt at clinging to your ignorance.
 

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YWC is a retard. How convenient the psychobabble in the bible meshes seemlessly in the neurotic wasteland of he OP's mind.
 

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There is no "scientific knowledge" in any of the bibles that was not already known at the time various, unknown authors wrote the bibles.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that your goofy claims are typically absent any supportive evidence.

Oh yeah it's there, another desperate attempt at clinging to your ignorance.

Of course is it, dear. Your 101 handy dandy "scientific miracles of the bibles / tea leaf reading to improve your religious fundamentalism" was a total bust.

Note that I'm not suggesting you should scour your creationist ministries for more of that silliness.
 

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YWC is a retard. How convenient the psychobabble in the bible meshes seemlessly in the neurotic wasteland of he OP's mind.

You're being too hard on the boy. Remember, as ywc noted, "the creationists are coming".

They're angry and they have their bibles locked and loaded... I mean their bibles are duct taped double thickness for some down home thumping.
 

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YWC is a retard. How convenient the psychobabble in the bible meshes seemlessly in the neurotic wasteland of he OP's mind.

You're being too hard on the boy. Remember, as ywc noted, "the creationists are coming".

They're angry and they have their bibles locked and loaded... I mean their bibles are duct taped double thickness for some down home thumping.

:lmao: :rofl:
 

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Also daws Newton did not believe in the trinity and because of the power of the catholic church he kept many of his views quiet. The Catholics would have seen him as a heretic for not agreeing with the catholic church.

Which might have meant something had England been a Catholic country during Newton's lifetime. England was Anglican by the time Newton was born.

Also, Newton kept quiet on his religious views for practical reasons. There were many different takes on Christianity being debated in England, which rarely resulted in death, but Newton was forced to publicly proclaim his Anglican religion because his position at Trinity College also required him to be a minister. To have said anything other than the accepted dogma of the time risked his position.
 

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Also daws Newton did not believe in the trinity and because of the power of the catholic church he kept many of his views quiet. The Catholics would have seen him as a heretic for not agreeing with the catholic church.

Which might have meant something had England been a Catholic country during Newton's lifetime. England was Anglican by the time Newton was born.

Also, Newton kept quiet on his religious views for practical reasons. There were many different takes on Christianity being debated in England, which rarely resulted in death, but Newton was forced to publicly proclaim his Anglican religion because his position at Trinity College also required him to be a minister. To have said anything other than the accepted dogma of the time risked his position.


YWC and facts are not on speaking terms.
 

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Scientific foreknowledge in the bible?

Did the bable predict that in the year 2000 60% of the population in the U S would have mental ilness?
 

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THAT'S FALSE ..SCIENCE HAS NEVER CONFIRMED THE CRAP YOU POSTED

The final eleven facts from the 101 given here. The aim of the exercise that Eternal Productions (who compiled the list) set themselves was to take a modern scientific claim or explanation, and to show us the Biblical verse which foretells or prefigures said claim/explanation. Thus far, after 90 such claims have been examined, none have withstood scrutiny; in fact, 51 over half have been revealed not to be any sort of scientific claim.

91.Animals do not have a conscience (Psalm 32:9). A parrot can be taught to swear and blaspheme, yet never feel conviction. Many animals steal, but they do not experience guilt. If man evolved from animals, where did our conscience come from? The Bible explains that man alone was created as a moral being in Gods image.

No scientific claim is being tested here.

92.Pseudo-science anticipated (1 Timothy 6:20). The theory of evolution contradicts the observable evidence. The Bible warned us in advance that there would be those who would profess: profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge (science). True science agrees with the Creators Word.

On the basis of the evidence of these facts, Id beg to differ. No scientific claim is being tested here.

93. Science confirms the Bible (Colossians 2:3). These insights place the Bible far above every manmade theory and all other so-called inspired books. In contrast, the Koran states that the sun sets in a muddy pond (Surah 18:86). The Hadith contains many myths. The Book of Mormon declares that Native Americans descended from Jews which has been disproven by DNA research. The Eastern writings also contradict true science.

No scientific claim is being tested here.

94. Human conscience understood (Romans 2:14-15). The Bible reveals that God has impressed His moral law onto every human heart. Con means with and science means knowledge. We know it is wrong to murder, lie, steal, etc. Only the Bible explains that each human has a God-given knowledge of right and wrong.

The etymology lesson is next to useless, because the earliest Biblical manuscripts were not written in neither English nor Latin (where the roots of the word conscience lie). No scientific claim is being tested here.

95. Love explained (Matthew 22:37-40; 1 John 4:7-12). Evolution cannot explain love. Yet, Gods Word reveals that the very purpose of our existence is to know and love God and our fellow man. God is love, and we were created in His image to reflect His love.

No scientific claim is being tested here.

96. The real you is spirit (Numbers 16:22; Zechariah 12:1). Personality is non-physical. For example, after a heart transplant the recipient does not receive the donors character. An amputee is not half the person he was before loosing his limbs. Our eternal nature is spirit, heart, soul, mind. The Bible tells us that man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart (1 Samuel 16:7).

No scientific claim is being tested here.

97. The cause of suffering revealed (Genesis 3; Isaiah 24:5-6). The earth is subject to misery, which appears at odds with our wonderfully designed universe. However, the Bible, not evolution, explains the origin of suffering. When mankind rebelled against God, the curse resulted introducing affliction, pain and death into the world.

No scientific claim is being tested here.

98. Death explained (Romans 6:23). All eventually die. The Bible alone explains why we die The soul who sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20). Sin is transgression of Gods Law. To see if you will die, please review Gods Ten Commandments (Exodus 20). Have you ever lied? (White lies and fibs count.) Ever stolen? (Cheating on a test or taxes is stealing.) Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:28). Have you ever looked with lust? Then youre an adulterer at heart. Have you ever hated someone or called someone a fool? If so, the Bible says you are guilty of murder (Matthew 5:21-22; 1 John 3:15). Have you ever used your Creators name (Lord, God, Jesus, or Christ) in vain? This is called blasphemy and God hates it. If you have broken these commandments at any time, then by your own admission, you are a blasphemer, a murderer, an adulterer, a thief, and a liar at heart. And we have only looked at five of the Ten Commandments. This is why we die.

No scientific claim is being tested here. Its more of a sermon

99. Justice understood (Acts 17:30-31). Our God-given conscience reveals that all sin will be judged. Down deep we know that He who created the eyes sees every secret sin (Romans 2:16). He who formed our mind remembers our past offense as if it just occurred. God has declared that the penalty for sin is death. Physical death comes first, then the second death which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). God cannot lie. Every sin will be judged. His justice demands it. But God is also rich in mercy to all who call upon His name. He has made a way for justice to be served and mercy to be shown.

More theological claims. No scientific claim is being tested here.

100. Eternal life revealed (John 3:16). Scientists search in vain for the cure for aging and death. Yet, the good news is that God, who is the source of all life, has made a way to freely forgive us so that we may live forever with Him in heaven. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:8). For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). God desires a loving, eternal relationship with each person free from sin, fear, and pain. Therefore, He sent His Son to die as our substitute on the cross. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23). Jesus never sinned, therefore He alone qualified to pay the penalty for our sins on the cross. He died in our place. He then rose from the grave defeating death. All who turn from their sins and trust Him will be saved. To repent and place your trust in Jesus Christ, make Psalm 51 your prayer. Then read your Bible daily, obeying what you read. God will never let you down.

Science is not trying to cure aging and death as such theyre certainly not searching in vain. A lot of theology, but no scientific claim is being tested here.

101. The solution to suffering (Revelation 21). Neither evolution nor religion offers a solution to suffering. But God offers heaven as a gift to all who trust in His Son. In heaven, God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away (Revelation 21:4).

We end on preaching, rather than demonstrable scientific truth: No scientific claim is being tested here.

Astonishingly, not one of the eleven so-called scientific facts are scientific facts at all, and can therefore be dismissed. This means that only 39 of the 101 facts are genuine attempts to put an understanding of a scientific claim to the Bible. 62 are simply not any sort of scientific claim at all.

However, none not a single one of the 39 stand up: they either misread the Bible, or show an inadequate understanding of science.

Im genuinely surprised at that over well over half of the 101 facts are not even attempts at scientific claims, but rather just comment or anti-evoltution rhetoric.

The final part in this series will attempt to derive some sort of conclusion from this exercies, and wrap up my own particular efforts at tackling the absurd claims of Creationism.

Science in the Bible Review, pt9
Published 25 February 2009 Exposed: 101 Scientific Facts in the Bible Closed
Tags: Christianity, evolution, Science, the Bible

A lot of this is wrong. There is no evidence for a world wide flood.. and they have always known about fresh water springs in the ocean. There are plenty of them off Bahrain. ARAMCO was tapping into them in the 1930s and the Arabs 1000 years or more before that.
 

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attention readers Eternal Productions is not a scientific institution
any "information" contained in it is based on a religious bias and is by definition not science.
There is no claim of being a scientific institution, in fact it is making the case that it was way ahead of science and science is just catching up so the only way a reader might mistake it for science is if it made sense to them.
 

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attention readers Eternal Productions is not a scientific institution
any "information" contained in it is based on a religious bias and is by definition not science.

An Old Liberal (secular humanist) tactic.........KILL THE MESSENGER.


ATTENTION: Why attempt to kill the messenger instead of addressing the actual words found in the Holy Scriptures.........this source presented the book, chapter and book where these facts of science can be found thousands of years before mankind discovered these facts about our natural environment. Regardless of what Eternal Productions qualifies or does not qualify as .......the message presented cannot be refuted, thus.......you attempt to discredit the messenger instead of refuting the information presented. If this source is so inconsistent with the facts........just prove the content found in scripture is not what is being presented by Context, Content and subject matter. Easy Peasy.

Why? Truth is not subject to being falsified. Its an old secular tactic based upon ad hominem arguments. Its much easier to deflect away from this reality rather than attempt to debate based upon the actual content of the message.

Ad Hominem: appealing to personal emotional considerations as opposed to fact based logic.
 
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ATTENTION: Why attempt to kill the messenger instead of addressing the actual words found in the Holy Scriptures.........this source presented the book, chapter and book where these facts of science can be found thousands of years before mankind discovered these facts about our natural environment. Regardless of what Eternal Productions qualifies or does not qualify .......the message presented cannot be refuted, thus.......you attempt to discredit the messenger instead of refuting the information presented. If this source is so inconsistent with the facts........just prove the content found in scripture is not what is being presented by Context, Content and subject matter. Easy Peasy.

Why? Truth is not subject to being falsified. Its an old secular tactic based upon ad hominem arguments. If much easier to deflect away from this reality rather than attempt to debate based upon the actual content of the message.

Ad Hominem: appealing to personal emotional considerations as opposed to fact based logic.

Too much false information.
 

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A lot of this is wrong. There is no evidence for a world wide flood.. and they have always known about fresh water springs in the ocean. There are plenty of them off Bahrain. ARAMCO was tapping into them in the 1930s and the Arabs 1000 years or more before that.
No evidence of a world wide flood? Sea life fossils have not been found atop the highest landmasses on earth? There are no Flood narratives from oral histories of nations all around the globe? Its all just quinky ding. The scriptures do not declare during the flood event the mountains rose and the valleys sank? (Ps. 104:8).

Its a fact of science........there is not one inch of land on earth that has not been under water at some point in its history, while there is evidence the place where the ark came to rest on Mt. Ararat is made primarily of volcanic ash that has been under enormous pressure that can only be found on the ocean floor.

You are fast and lose with your charge that NO EVIDENCE exists.

FYI: the 1930s and a thousand years before 930 AD.........happened thousands of years after the record of the Bible was recorded 3500 years before the birth of Christ. You just like to sling crap against a wall and see how much of it sticks. Its all easily refuted. You always deal in subjective ad hominem BS.
 

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No evidence of a world wide flood? Sea life fossils have not been found atop the highest landmasses on earth? There are no Flood narratives from oral histories of nations all around the globe? Its all just quinky ding. The scriptures do not declare during the flood event the mountains rose and the valleys sank? (Ps. 104:8).

Its a fact of science........there is not one inch of land on earth that has not been under water at some point in its history, while there is evidence the place where the ark came to rest on Mt. Ararat is made primarily of volcanic ash that has been under enormous pressure that can only be found on the ocean floor.

You are fast and lose with your charge that NO EVIDENCE exists.

FYI: the 1930s and a thousand years before 930 AD.........happened thousands of years after the record of the Bible was recorded 3500 years before the birth of Christ. You just like to sling crap against a wall and see how much of it sticks. Its all easily refuted. You always deal in subjective ad hominem BS.

Techtonic plates uplifting and shallow seas leave shells.

There is no flood footprint aand God knows there have been a million core samples taken in the ME, South/Central America and North Africa.

It's a wonderful story taken from the mythos of Sumer .. all about sin, faith and redemption.

The Bible stories were written down 850 years after the death of Moses and after the Babylonian exile.
 

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Techtonic plates uplifting and shallow seas leave shells.

There is no flood footprint aand God knows there have been a million core samples taken in the ME, South/Central America and North Africa.

It's a wonderful story taken from the mythos of Sumer .. all about sin, faith and redemption.

The Bible stories were written down 850 years after the death of Moses and after the Babylonian exile.
Indeed Tectonic plate shifting as described in scripture (Ps 104:8).......resulting in mountains coming into existence (The mountains Rose) that did not exist before as well as making large underwater trenches (the valley's sank) up to 7 miles deep that did not exist before. The earth's surface could have easily been covered in water with the topography that existed prior to the flood. Again with the subjective BS.......you state things as if they are facts but you never provide any objective evidence to verify your BS suggestions.

Question? How can you (wink, wink) carbon date anything and attempt to prove the time table of these plate shifts..........WITH THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF THE EARTH HAVING BEEN UNDERWATER IN ITS HISTORY AS DEMONSTRATED VIA THE FOSSIL RECORD FOUND ALL OVER THE EARTH?

Water leeching and Carbon Dating? The pseudo science communities have attempted to debunk the fact that water leeching can and does alter the rate of measurable C14 decay. Reality: One must assume the rate of decay MUST have remained constant throughout the entire age of the cosmos........when there are any number of things that can and does alter that rate of decay measurements. Water Leeching is just one. Changes in the earths magnetic field over time caused by changes in the SUN (our sun has been anything except static over the ages). Volcanic activity can effect these readings (its been demonstrated that up to 3 different samples being taken from basically the same area yields 3 different dates, some recent some ancient, some with a few years). And yet they call this theory a fact and declare it "Absolute Dating".

Its moot when the scriptures were actually recorded......all history is oral in nature prior to recorded history. All one can go on is the fossils found to exist and guess at what they may or may not indicate. You are yet to debunk one line recorded in scripture with any verifiable reproducible facts in evidence. Regardless of when the history was placed to print that history still existed and exists as evidence in a prima facie manner until you can objectively prove it to be false.

You are "easy". :popcorn:
 
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Indeed Tectonic plate shifting as described in scripture.......resulting in mountains coming into existence that did not exist before as well as making a large underwaters trenches up to 7 miles deep that did not exist before. Again with the subjective BS.......you state things as if they are facts but you never provide any objective evidence to verify your BS suggestions.

Its moot when the scriptures were actually recorded......all history is oral in nature prior to recorded history. You are yet to debunk one line recorded in scripture with any verifiable reproducible facts in evidence. Regardless of when the history was placed to print that history still existed and exists as evidence in a prima facie manner until you can objectively prove it to be false.

You are "easy". :popcorn:

They are morality tales not history. When you read the story of Noah's Ark read it for its meaning... as an adult instead of a child.
 

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