Synthaholic
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Nolan is the all-time strikeout leader, but he's also the all-time walks leader.except Nolan Ryan.....
Nolan won over 300 games, but he also lost just under 300 games.
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Nolan is the all-time strikeout leader, but he's also the all-time walks leader.except Nolan Ryan.....
mcrib said hard throwers blow out their arms....i said except Ryan.....and he also lost a hell of a lot of 1 run games when he was with the angels.....i was at many of them....Nolan is the all-time strikeout leader, but he's also the all-time walks leader.
Nolan won over 300 games, but he also lost just under 300 games.
Randy Johnson is the best lefty ever, razor-thin over Warren Spahn. Steve Carlton is third.
Nolan is the all-time strikeout leader, but he's also the all-time walks leader.
Nolan won over 300 games, but he also lost just under 300 games.
I sat with McGwire at an airport and he was extremely nice and very intelligent, overall nice guy, I met Canseco at a card show, I was surprised he could fit his head in the room.I got to meet him at a restaurant/bar my band was playing in. He was sitting at the bar, in town scouting players. Nice as hell but looked really tired. Also, similar situation, different bar, Dave Stewart. He was very forthcoming, telling me that Mark McGwire was a criminally under-rated defensive first baseman, which surprised me. He also had nothing good to say about Jose Canseco.
and besides his 7 no hitters he had 12 1 hitters tied for first with feller...18 2 hitters tied with walter johnson....and he lost a lot of 1 run games.....including some of those 2 hitters....You can make a decent case for Tom Glavine.
And Cy Young is the all-time leader in losses. Nolan Ryan pitched for some AWFUL teams-he led the league in ERA with a losing record in 1987 (8-16, for an AWFUL Astros team that couldn't score and led the NL in errors).
Will Clarks' first AB (as a Giant) came off Nolan Ryan in HOU, I am almost certain (without looking it up). He hit an HR to Right center. I saw it on Giants Bay Area TV channel.and besides his 7 no hitters he had 12 1 hitters tied for first with feller...18 2 hitters tied with walter johnson....and he lost a lot of 1 run games.....including some of those 2 hitters....
If Koufax hadn't retired at a VERY young age, he would've obliterated the numbers Martinez put up. For this reason I pick Koufax over Martinez. In fact, he MAY have been arguably the best left-hander ever.
Lefthanded starters:
Randy Johnson
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Warren Spahn
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Steve Carlton
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You can make a decent case for Tom Glavine.
And Cy Young is the all-time leader in losses. Nolan Ryan pitched for some AWFUL teams-he led the league in ERA with a losing record in 1987 (8-16, for an AWFUL Astros team that couldn't score and led the NL in errors).
silver slugger is awarded to the best at his position that year....Dawson won that in his MVP year as well........Oh, definitely, but not above any of the top 3 I listed. Glavine played nearly every year for the Division winner. Carlton had some really bad Phillies teams but when he pitched they won. And this is where the WAR comes in, accounting for all these things. Carlton is a 90.x WAR, Glaving is an 80.x WAR. Carlton has the better ERA (a valid stat), Glaving has the better winning % (an invalid stat).
This is why stat geeks dismiss W-L records, favoring things like WAR (which I'm not totally sold on), and they have a point. Nolan got no run support.
A pitcher like that can win the Cy Young, but should never win the MVP. No matter how good your season is, if it's not appreciably helping your team, how valuable were you? This is why I objected to Andre Dawson winning MVP in the late 1980s for the last place Cubs. Give him the Silver Slugger or something.
Off-topic, but why the fuck would my Samsung Galaxy tablet autocorrect from Glavine to Glaving, especially after I had just finished typing Glavine earlier in the paragraph?Glaving is an 80.x WAR. Carlton has the better ERA (a valid stat), Glaving has the better winning % (an invalid stat).
You can make a good case that Pedro in 1999 and 2000 was the most dominant seasons a pitcher had. Ever. As in: you could DOUBLE his ERA and he'd still lead the league. He was under 2 one year, just over the other. It was more impressive than even Gibson in 68, because Pedro did it in a hitters park, in the toughest division in baseball, at the height of the steroid era.Steve Carlton would like a word with you, lol.
Koufax was great though. Early to mid-60s, probably among the most dominant ever by a pitcher.
That said, they changed the rules after 68 because of another dominant pitcher named Bob Gibson, which tilted the balance of power over to offense and by the time Pedro was pitching, hitters were bigger, bulkier, and hitting the ball out of the yard at record clips.
I think Pedro in his prime is as good as any pitcher as I've ever seen. Randy Johnson was pretty effing good, too.
If Nolan Ryan was a 1st baseman, he'd be Will Clark. Both of them were HOF's, looked alike, and were tough as nails.Will Clarks' first AB (as a Giant) came off Nolan Ryan in HOU, I am almost certain (without looking it up). He hit an HR to Right center. I saw it on Giants Bay Area TV channel.
Will Clark is one of those overlooked players from the 80s and 90s. Like Keith Hernandez with his exceptional glove. Like Mark Grace. Such great players, almost forgotten these days.If Nolan Ryan was a 1st baseman, he'd be Will Clark. Both of them were HOF's, looked alike, and were tough as nails.