RWs, how do we fix our shitty healthcare system?

[francoHFW]

one more thing dumbshit.., i lost two of the best doctors i ever had due to your fucked up O'shitforbrainsbamacare !!!

When your mindless red state stops sabotaging it, you'll probably get them back...

 

[francoHFW]

Get rid of the arcane middle ages billing processes, make costs straight forward and accountable. Like when you get your car or furnace worked on, no more games. Obama was dancing around this with his so called "Affordable" health care. Obama lied a little bit. Neither affordable nor healthy.

What do you mean by arcane middle ages billing processes?

THEY know, they know. Nobody else does.

They get lots of info from the hospitals and Big Pharm with ACA. Next they can use it for regulation.

 

[healthmyths]

Get rid of the arcane middle ages billing processes, make costs straight forward and accountable. Like when you get your car or furnace worked on, no more games. Obama was dancing around this with his so called "Affordable" health care. Obama lied a little bit. Neither affordable nor healthy.

What do you mean by arcane middle ages billing processes?

THEY know, they know. Nobody else does.

They get lots of info from the hospitals and Big Pharm with ACA. Next they can use it for regulation.

YOU SAID a mouthful.. "use it for regulation"!

Did you ever think that there may be too much regulation???
-- The International Classification of Diseases version 10 (ICD-10) contains 141,060 code sets used to report medical diagnoses and inpatient procedures.
That’s a 712 percent increase over the 19,817 code sets in the currently used ICD-9 version.
--- As we have noted before, physicians are already spending 22 percent of their time interacting with insurers on formularies, claims, billing, credentialing,
pre-authorizations, and quality measure data. The workload can only increase with the new codes.
Healthcare Is Turning Into An Industry Focused On Compliance, Regulation Rather Than Patient Care

How the U.S. Health-Care System Wastes $750 Billion Annually
How the U.S. Health-Care System Wastes $750 Billion Annually
More than 18 months in the making, the report identified six major areas of waste:
unnecessary services ($210 billion annually);
inefficient delivery of care ($130 billion);
excess administrative costs ($190 billion);
inflated prices ($105 billion);
prevention failures ($55 billion), and
fraud ($75 billion).
Adjusting for some overlap among the categories, the panel settled on an estimate of $750 billion.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The UK? HUH? I thought socialized medicine was free?.....
Worse outcomes? For whom?

You pay taxes. THE PEOPLE.

We are over taxed now...After all the taxes we pay now, income, payroll SS, sales, property, excise, fees, etc the average American is relived of an average of 60% of their earnings...
And yet you lefties want more.
Who is greedy?

With approximately half the people not paying any income tax or owning their own home, I really don't see how the average American is paying 60% of their earnings in taxes.

EVERYONE on average is paying between 20 and 30% in all taxes and fees, with almost all of the new wealth going to the richest. It's basically a flat tax system and the nonrich and the country have been slowly ruined under Voodoo. See sig. ACA is going to help the non-rich.

Amazing how misinformed the dupes are...

Where are you getting those statistics?
What do you mean "taxes"... you talking about income taxes OR sales/property taxes?
Plus if you are eligible for Earned Income Tax credit... YOU are paid by the government.

Dude...Do you have a reading comprehension issue? I clearly stated ALL taxes combined..The average tax burden taking into account the entire population.
I like the way after al this nonsense with you people flogging Romney re: the 47%, you now in a fit of desperation admit that this is a fairly accurate number of people who do not pay income taxes...Nice....
Pay attention......
The "wealth card" is rejected.
It is none of your business how one earns their living or their wealth. It is a non issue. And for purposes of this discussion it is irrelevant.
The only reason you support ACA is because you think it represents some ray of hope for a pathway to socialism.
The only people obsessing with socialism are those who are jealous and angry that there are people who earn more than with which they feel comfortable. They angrily think to themselves that it just isn't fair for one to have all that money...
They travel though a nice neighborhood and become overwhelmed with vitriolic anger.
What business is it of theirs or yours what one does with THEIR money?
Who said anything about any tax breaks such as EIC?.....
Ok, here's where your argument fails
First you evaded the precept of my post by not responding to it.
Then. in the absence of a sensible rebuttal, you decided to drag two unrelated items into the mix.
That's dismissed. You don't get to do that.
BTW genius...Since capitalism was invented, our system has done the best for the most. And whether you like it or not( nobody cares) our economy has always been trickle down. Reagan did not invent it. He was just the first to recognize its success.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Well that's what Trump is after to give the employees their OWN tax deductible health insurance, which is fine with me!
From Trump's health plan...Healthcare Reform

Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system.
Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?
As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance.
We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

We already did- It's called Obamacare.

Wow.. You have no idea how ACA works do you?....Simply amazing.
Your unequivocal support of Obamacare is matched by your ignorance of how the program works....Or for most part, doesn't

 

[thereisnospoon]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Then individuals would have the value of the employer provided insurance which can get up to $15k for a family, or more, added to their gross income.
A 100% deduction for said cost is not going to happen. The federal government is going to want some of that money

 

[g5000]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Then individuals would have the value of the employer provided insurance which can get up to $15k for a family, or more, added to their gross income.

Yes. That is what should happen. They are currently receiving that exemption from other people's pockets. It is theft. Wealth redistribution.

 

[PredFan]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

We have been answering this question since before Obamacare. Get rid of the regulations that favor the industry and open up health insurance to the forces of the free market. Problem solved.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Then individuals would have the value of the employer provided insurance which can get up to $15k for a family, or more, added to their gross income.

Yes. That is what should happen. They are currently receiving that exemption from other people's pockets. It is theft. Wealth redistribution.

Are all tax deductions wealth redistribution/theft?...or just the ones you don't like?
Be careful how you answer that question.

 

[healthmyths]

For those of you Obamacare and single payer health care advocates what do you think of this example?

Venezuelans Make Taxing Trek to Seek Health Care in Colombia

They gather by the hundreds at border bridges before dawn, in wheelchairs and surgical masks. They clutch X-rays and bundles of medical records they hope will persuade Venezuelan officials to let them join the few allowed to cross into Colombia each day.

Six months after Venezuela's socialist government shut its border with Colombia to fight smuggling, thousands of patients continue to make an arduous trek to get treatment in Colombian hospitals.

The closure has reshaped daily life for everyone along the frontier, but for sick Venezuelans hoping to escape their country's collapsed medical system, the consequences have been painful and sometimes deadly. Perhaps the only thing worse than slogging to a clinic in Colombia is slogging through the Venezuelan health care system, which is beset by the economic chaos ravaging the country as a whole. Public hospitals here no longer have consistent running water and electricity, and medical supplies are scarce.
The country is making due with 20 percent of the medications it requires, according to the opposition-leaning pharmaceutical association.
Venezuelans Make Taxing Trek to Seek Health Care in Colombia

And you people and Bernie Sanders want this to model after ? Remember Venezuela is ONLY 1/10th the population of the US!
Will you people want to have the above system???

 

[francoHFW]

Get rid of the arcane middle ages billing processes, make costs straight forward and accountable. Like when you get your car or furnace worked on, no more games. Obama was dancing around this with his so called "Affordable" health care. Obama lied a little bit. Neither affordable nor healthy.

What do you mean by arcane middle ages billing processes?

THEY know, they know. Nobody else does.

They get lots of info from the hospitals and Big Pharm with ACA. Next they can use it for regulation.

YOU SAID a mouthful.. "use it for regulation"!

Did you ever think that there may be too much regulation???
-- The International Classification of Diseases version 10 (ICD-10) contains 141,060 code sets used to report medical diagnoses and inpatient procedures.
That’s a 712 percent increase over the 19,817 code sets in the currently used ICD-9 version.
--- As we have noted before, physicians are already spending 22 percent of their time interacting with insurers on formularies, claims, billing, credentialing,
pre-authorizations, and quality measure data. The workload can only increase with the new codes.
Healthcare Is Turning Into An Industry Focused On Compliance, Regulation Rather Than Patient Care

How the U.S. Health-Care System Wastes $750 Billion Annually
How the U.S. Health-Care System Wastes $750 Billion Annually
More than 18 months in the making, the report identified six major areas of waste:
unnecessary services ($210 billion annually);
inefficient delivery of care ($130 billion);
excess administrative costs ($190 billion);
inflated prices ($105 billion);
prevention failures ($55 billion), and
fraud ($75 billion).
Adjusting for some overlap among the categories, the panel settled on an estimate of $750 billion.

Glad you agree- Big Health and Big Pharma are crying out for regulation to cut costs and basically fraud, and over the years they're going to get it- like cutting non-medical costs to 20% SO FAR..

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Obamacare is so good now that middle class folks can't afford it.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Obamacare is so good now that middle class folks can't afford it.

Just another thing that the democrats make sure only the rich can have.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Obamacare is so good now that middle class folks can't afford it.

Sure they can, dupe. Now the costs bend down, no more cheap scams.

 

[Billy000]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

We have been answering this question since before Obamacare. Get rid of the regulations that favor the industry and open up health insurance to the forces of the free market. Problem solved.

And how, in anyway, would that lower the cost of medical services like prescriptions?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Well that's what Trump is after to give the employees their OWN tax deductible health insurance, which is fine with me!
From Trump's health plan...Healthcare Reform

Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system.
Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?
As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance.
We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

I am opposed to all tax exemptions. They are federal subsidies and need to go away, period. There should be NO tax exemptions for employers or employees. They are theft from other people's pockets.

Really? How is an exemption theft?

 

[Redfish]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. You hate anything Obama comes up with so you come across like disingenuous douche bags anyway.

How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare. With that in mind, why was our healthcare system ever feasible?

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

We have been answering this question since before Obamacare. Get rid of the regulations that favor the industry and open up health insurance to the forces of the free market. Problem solved.

And how, in anyway, would that lower the cost of medical services like prescriptions?

competition, dingworthy. When companies compete, prices go down. When insurance companies compete across state lines, prices will go down.

The other thing that would help drug prices would be to reduce the length of patents, get generics in the market sooner.

 

[Redfish]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Well that's what Trump is after to give the employees their OWN tax deductible health insurance, which is fine with me!
From Trump's health plan...Healthcare Reform

Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system.
Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?
As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance.
We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

I am opposed to all tax exemptions. They are federal subsidies and need to go away, period. There should be NO tax exemptions for employers or employees. They are theft from other people's pockets.

Really? How is an exemption theft?

LOL, I cant wait for that answer.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Also are you in favor then of ALL employer insurance programs to be eliminated?

I am. Not banned, though. It should be up to the employer what benefits they choose to give to their employees.

If so that would eliminate the single largest tax write-off ... See this table: $171 billion in tax write off by employers for health insurance.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I said take away the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. The money an employer is spending on employee insurance is employee income, and right now it is exempt from income tax. It shouldn't be.

It is government interference in the free market, and it is massively distorting the market as a result, bending the cost curve up. It is government wealth redistribution and behavior modification.

Taking away the tax exemption will dis-incentivize employers from sponsoring health insurance, which should be the goal.

Well that's what Trump is after to give the employees their OWN tax deductible health insurance, which is fine with me!
From Trump's health plan...Healthcare Reform

Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system.
Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?
As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance.
We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

I am opposed to all tax exemptions. They are federal subsidies and need to go away, period. There should be NO tax exemptions for employers or employees. They are theft from other people's pockets.

Really? How is an exemption theft?

LOL, I cant wait for that answer.

I know, me either..... seems to me that would only work if t he government was entitled to 100% of your income.

 

[francoHFW]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Obamacare is so good now that middle class folks can't afford it.

Just another thing that the democrats make sure only the rich can have.

It's not Dems fault the old Pub system was ridiculously expensive and many plans were scams. Now it's getting fixed, despite mindless Pub obstruction and fear mongering...