Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Robert W]

So, you've never heard of Israel, huh? And what countries do you claim Russia "land-grabed"? I'm waiting.

I am pleased Russian and Putin fans post here. Israel has no connection to Putin. Israel gave up land, did not take it.

 

[Deadstick]

I am pleased Russian and Putin fans post here. Israel has no connection to Putin. Israel gave up land, did not take it.

 

[AntonToo]

There was a fascist lynch mob after him what would you have done tried to reason with the mob?

He did follow the agreement but with peaceful demonstrators like this looking for him he escaped.
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Dummy, what is a guy with a stick going to do against Yanukovich's security team with assault weapons?

On 21 February 2014, Yanukovych and his partner, escorted by guards who were members of Ukraine’s State Security Administration, flew by helicopter from his Mezhyhiriia residence to the city of Kharkiv.

The next day he arrived in the city of Donetsk, and from there he made an attempt to illegally fly to Russia.

After the flight was blocked by members of Ukraine’s State Border Guard Service, Yanukovych and the heads of his security service entered into a criminal conspiracy with members of the Russian security forces to illegally cross the state border of Ukraine.

Guards of former pro-Russian president Yanukovych served with notice of suspicion 10 years after helping him flee

Fifteen former members of the security service of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych have been served with a notice of suspicion for deserting, ten years after their superiors falsified documents to pass their flight to Russia off as dismissal.

www.pravda.com.ua

 

[AntonToo]

I just posted an article on that very subject.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

It was a grotesque distortion to portray the events in Ukraine as a purely indigenous, popular uprising. The Nuland-Pyatt telephone conversation and other actions confirm that the United States was considerably more than a passive observer to the turbulence. Instead, U.S. officials were blatantly meddling in Ukraine. Such conduct was utterly improper. The United States had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power. It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro-Russian government—an ouster that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but apparently with its assistance.

That episode, as well as earlier ones involving Italy, France and other democratic countries, should be kept in mind the next time U.S. political leaders or the media publicly fume about Russia’s apparent interference in America’s 2016 elections. One can legitimately condemn some aspects of Moscow’s behavior, but the force of America’s moral outrage is vitiated by the stench of U.S. hypocrisy.

Did you actually CRITICALLY read this stupid garbage? Or do you just copy paste whatever you googled in 5 min to support positions you've come to take for no good reason at all.

As Ukraine’s political crisis deepened, Nuland and her subordinates became more brazen in favoring the anti-Yanukovych demonstrators. Nuland noted in a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation on December 13, 2013, that she had traveled to Ukraine three times in the weeks following the start of the demonstrations. Visiting the Maidan on December 5, she handed out cookies to demonstrators and expressed support for their cause.

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking. Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post-Yanukovych government.


Having read that can you explain how Nuland favoring pro-democracy administrators (DUH!), traveling to Ukraine (wow!) and giving out cookies (OH NO! not the cookies!) mean that Maidan was not by Ukrainians?

How does Obama administration weighting in on preferred POST-YANUKOVICH personnel, cause Yanukovich to be removed?

This is ******* laughable.

 

[GLASNOST]

Your idea is wrong.

You are saying that Russian oil is not cheaper?

Israel gave up land, did not take it.

Your idea is wrong.

 

[AntonToo]

I understand his reasons. They even can make sense, depending on how little value you place on human life, even Russian human life.

My point was, that Russia is declining. Playing "nice" and diplomatic, instead of having a war, was probably a better play. IMO.

North Korea has declined, should we let it have South Korea too?

I don't understand your argument.

 

[theHawk]

The US has checked out. Can Europe stop Putin alone?​

As Trump pulls away from Ukraine, Europe must choose: lead the fight – or face the cost of Russian victory.


By Sergey Maidukov

Ukrainian writer.

The United States was once Ukraine’s most important ally – supplying arms, funding and political cover as Kyiv fought for its sovereignty. But today, Washington is losing interest. President Donald Trump, more at home on the golf course than in a war room, is pulling away from a conflict he no longer seems to care to understand.

Trump has not hidden his disdain. He has echoed Kremlin narratives, questioned NATO’s relevance and reduced Ukraine’s defence to a punchline. Even his recent comment that Russian President Vladimir Putin has “gone absolutely crazy” does little to undo years of indulgence and indifference.

Can Europe meet the moment? Can a loose coalition of willing nations evolve into a durable security bloc? And can it do so without the US?

As of early 2025, Ukraine was meeting roughly 40 percent of its own military needs, according to the Centre for Security and Cooperation in Kyiv. Europe provided 30 percent and the US the remaining 30 percent. To sustain the fight, Europe must now do more – quickly.

The alternative would be disastrous. The Kiel Institute for the World Economy has estimated that if Russia were to occupy Ukraine, it could cost Germany alone 10 to 20 times more than maintaining current levels of support – due to refugee flows, energy instability, economic disruptions and defence risks.

One of Ukraine’s most urgent needs is ammunition – particularly artillery shells. Until recently, the US was the main supplier. As American deliveries decline, Ukraine is burning through its reserves. Europe is now scrambling to fill the gap.

The problem is scale. Europe’s arms industry has long been underdeveloped. It is only now beginning to respond. According to European Union Commissioner for Defence and Space Andrius Kubilius, the bloc aims to produce 2 million artillery shells annually by the end of 2025. This would just meet Ukraine’s minimum battlefield requirements.

A particularly ambitious initiative is a Czech-led plan to procure and deliver up to 1.8 million shells to Ukraine by the end of next year. Confirmed by Czech President Petr Pavel in May and backed by Canada, Norway, the Netherlands, Denmark and other countries, the effort is one of the few on track to make a meaningful impact – if it arrives on time.

More Ukey propaganda, trying to draw Europe into the war.

Maybe they should all stop listening to the Marxist Jews dictating their war policy.

 

[theHawk]

What was Yanukovich doing at that time?

Working on agreed to order? **** no, he packed up his mansion and was on the other side of Ukraine trying to catch a flight out to Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/03/12/what-did-yanukovych-take-with-him-as-he-fled-his-mansion-paintings-guns-and-a-small-dog-according-to-new-video/

He never had any interest in following through with the agreement.

He had no interest in being assassinated by the pro-west faction.

 

[AntonToo]

He had no interest in being assassinated by the pro-west faction.

Yea the same assassins that killed Yanukovich's cabinet and party members right?

Oh wait no, no one got killed and Yanukovich party members remained in parliament.

 

[Robert W]

More Ukey propaganda, trying to draw Europe into the war.

Maybe they should all stop listening to the Marxist Jews dictating their war policy.

Putin is war. Bet he has a thousand bodyguards.

 

[MarcATL]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

From your lips to God's ears.

 

[JoeB131]

Lets stick to Ukraine, since I don't want to go on tangents with you all day long.

What dictator did we support in Ukraine? What corporation "looted" Ukraine?

In what way (aside from Trump's antics that he was impeached for) was our involvement in Ukraine inconsistent with our stated values of supporting open, democratic society as means to world stability, freedom and economic development?

Well, we supported and organized a coup against a duly elected president, there's that.

Not to mention that Zelenskyy has cancelled elections, closed churches, deposed mayors he disagreed with, closed down opposition political parties, and shut down opposition press.

I would call that the opposite of our stated values.

 

[JoeB131]

Having read that can you explain how Nuland favoring pro-democracy administrators (DUH!), traveling to Ukraine (wow!) and giving out cookies (OH NO! not the cookies!) mean that Maidan was not by Ukrainians?

I'm sure some Ukrainians did support it.

And some were dead set against it, which is why they seceded.

Action and reaction. We meddled, we got a bad result.

 

[GLASNOST]

North Korea has declined, should we let it have South Korea too?

Who is we? Are you Korean?

 

[Anarchy666]

Either way, I think Trump is done with this conflict. And further meddling from Neocons/Democrats will only exacerbate the situation.

 

[GLASNOST]

Either way, I think Trump is done with this conflict.

Let us hope.

And further meddling from Neocons/Democrats will only exacerbate the situation.

Without a doubt.

 

[AntonToo]

I'm sure some Ukrainians did support it.

And some were dead set against it, which is why they seceded.

Action and reaction. We meddled, we got a bad result.

There was never any succession in Ukraine, only annexation at the barrel of RF guns and what you are doing here is deflecting from the simple fact that you can't show how either Nuland or Obama somehow ochestrating Maidan.

Don't know why you are so invested in echoing Kremlin propaganda here, but it's really bizzare.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Deadstick]

There was never any succession in Ukraine, only annexation at the barrel of RF guns and what you are doing here is deflecting from the simple fact that you can't show how either Nuland or Obama somehow ochestrating Maidan.

Don't know why you are so invested in echoing Kremlin propaganda here, but it's really bizzare.

You just can't stop lying Vlasov boy, like Western media you have been lying since 2014, give it up.

 

[AlexanderPK]

There was never any succession in Ukraine, only annexation at the barrel of RF guns and what you are doing here is deflecting from the simple fact that you can't show how either Nuland or Obama somehow ochestrating Maidan.

Don't know why you are so invested in echoing Kremlin propaganda here, but it's really bizzare.

Calm down, Bandera boy, it'll be over soon for you and your Azov friends. Call it annexation or whatever, Ukraine is done for.